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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:00 PM

Did she ever try deleted her FB/Twitter/Tumblr/Whatever to make sure that she couldn't be reached?

Would've been a good idea..
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:44 PM

Did she ever try deleted her FB/Twitter/Tumblr/Whatever to make sure that she couldn't be reached?

Would've been a good idea..


Deleting her FB/Twitter/etc would have had very little effect.

The man, or men, responsible to tracking down Amanda Todd went to great lengths to make her life miserable. Her family went as far as uprooting her from schools, to escape the torment, and the bullying, only for it to follow her.


As for Anonymous, they've released the name of a second individual. This second individual was outed by Maxson.

Link: http://pastebin.com/L0FfyFK1

It would seem the two men knew each other.


The man, who appeared in Surrey court Monday on unrelated charges, said he met Amanda online through her YouTube videos in which she is singing. He said she then contacted him to help her, because “I was a known hacker.”

The Lower Mainland man, who appeared in court in a black hoodie emblazoned with the words ‘Stompdown Killaz,’ said he got some “sketchy” information about the blackmailer, who he says was 26, lived in New York and goes by an alias of Viper. The man said he passed this information to the RCMP and NYPD, but he couldn’t remember whom he spoke with."



Read more: http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz29XMN8AdP

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:57 PM

Serious question here - is anyone worried that this amount of media coverage given to Amanda will lend itself to other suicides, in the hopes that said person would achieve the same amount of "fame?"
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:33 AM

Did she ever try deleted her FB/Twitter/Tumblr/Whatever to make sure that she couldn't be reached?

Would've been a good idea..


It wasn't just her own FB profile. Her tormentor also reached out to her classmates at all three schools she attended which further expanded the pool of potential bullies/cyber bullies.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:10 AM

It wasn't just her own FB profile.  Her tormentor also reached out to her classmates at all three schools she attended which further expanded the pool of potential bullies/cyber bullies.


I dont think think that is true all she would have had to do is get off social media. How is someone who only knows her through social media or the internet going to find out who her friends are let alone what city she lives in or her new schools.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:07 AM

I dont think think that is true all she would have had to do is get off social media. How is someone who only knows her through social media or the internet going to find out who her friends are let alone what city she lives in or her new schools.

Sick people do sick things.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:23 AM

To be perfectly honest, can he even be charged with anything severe?

Things like this happen every single day. Not gonna throw out stats but im sure there are hundreds of kids being cyber bullied online every second.

My wife and I were discussing this and the blackmailer, could in theory be hit with child pornography charges, harrassment charges and exploiting a child for sexual purposes....somethings along those lines...it doesn't take much detective work these days to track down time and date stamps on posts, tweets, emails...and other internet related communications....Anonymous may be the black hat guys that made it public, but the cops have white hat guys who can make it official, if they choose to.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:44 AM

I dont think think that is true all she would have had to do is get off social media. How is someone who only knows her through social media or the internet going to find out who her friends are let alone what city she lives in or her new schools.

The same way they did it before there was social media. Stuff like facebook is a relatively new tool in the world of stalking and harassing people.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:07 AM

This is opening up a can of worms that probably doesn't need to be opened. Must mean I have zero sympathy in cases like this, in which case I'm a terrible person. But unless you have suffer from mental illness (bi-polar disorder, etc), I just feel nothing for people who commit suicide because they were bullied, teased, loner, etc.

I had one of my closest friends commit suicide years ago (2004), and he was bi-polar. None of us knew it at the time and felt awful afterwards. I understand due to his illness why he came to that point. I myself came dangerously close to committing suicide 4 years ago. However, as a few people have indicated, the only reason at the time why I didn't was because I knew it was incredibly selfish to take that way out and leave my wife and my family with the aftermath.

I feel for her family, but not for her situation. And like I said, I know I'll receive criticism for saying that.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:17 AM

Instead of criticizing you I'll just say: keep in mind she wasn't just teased and bullied. Because of a stupid mistake she mad when she was 12 she was stalked, blackmailed, bullied, beat up etc. for 3 years. Teasing someone is much different than putting coupons for bleach in their locker after they try and commit suicide by drinking bleach a few days earlier. I would think it would be difficult to not empathize with her situation.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:45 AM

From Kelowna's Castanet news:


In the recent days since the very publicized death of Amanda Todd, counselors at Kelowna's Reach Out centre say their phones have been ringing off the hook.

According to youth counsellor Deb Mitchell it's mostly parents making the phone calls, as many are coming to the realization that bullying is a much bigger threat than what they initially had considered.

"I don't think we are seeing more bullying (taking place), but it is just coming to light recently. I think it (bullying) has always been an issue."

Mitchell says it's extremely important parents are aware of the impact of bullying on their children and the importance of agencies that help young people to build self esteem.

"There are lots of resources in the community, such as programs at the Boys and Girls Club; it's just, parents and children need to know how to access them. "

Ruth Agar, another youth counsellor with Reach Out, says children who have been bullied need to be empowered and given a voice in order to overcome their fears.

"It's a difficult issue and it impacts them more than we know sometimes. Not to mention because of the Internet and Facebook and all of those things that are out there now, it does follow them home."

Agar says because bullying is no longer confined to the playground, it is hard to get away from, which makes it more devastating for the victim.

"It's important to talk to parents, because sometimes they can be a voice with you or for you, same with teachers and counselors, we're here to help."

Castanet spoke with several parents, who were waiting for their children after school, to find how many of them were taking about bullying at home.

Many parents claimed that Amanda Todd's death did spark conversations with their children while others explained they constantly have conversations about both being a bullying and bullying.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:43 AM

People who actually care about these sort of things should watch this video:



Sorry if has already been posted.

Edited by hockeyville88, 17 October 2012 - 11:40 AM.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:51 AM

It was posted and deleted because it violates certain board rules.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:05 AM

Serious question here - is anyone worried that this amount of media coverage given to Amanda will lend itself to other suicides, in the hopes that said person would achieve the same amount of "fame?"


Im guessing the opposite will happen, since so many are acutely aware of this case.

I imagine adults will be a lot more preoccupied with thinking about bullying and naturally wonder if this is going on with the kids they know.

I imagine they will be more conscious of this phenomenon, and as a result they will be far more willing to take whatever preventative measures are appropriate.

I cant imagine there have been many cases of bullying that have received this much attention. While many seem to have issue with having so much focus on one case, really what does it matter? Its what actions we take as a result that are significant as far as Im concerned, and Im baffled that so many seem to be getting hung up on the individual involved.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:46 AM

It is very sad what the outcome ended up being in this situation.

But in some aspects, I believe that in addition to teen bullying, this event should also put the spotlight on another important issue: the online activities of teens.

There is no way that a teenager should be under the impression that flashing a random stranger on the internet is a good idea. They have to be made aware of the fact that once they put themselves out there like that, the images/videos will never be entirely deleted. They are out there for someone to exploit them with whenever they want. People have got to have some common sense. You wouldn't step outside your house and flash a fellow pedestrian on the street so why would you do it on the internet?
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

I dont think think that is true all she would have had to do is get off social media. How is someone who only knows her through social media or the internet going to find out who her friends are let alone what city she lives in or her new schools.


It doesn't matter if she was on FB or not, the guy simply had to send the pics and info to any people at the school she moved to and it's pretty much a guarantee one of them would send it to their own friends, and then to more and soon a large number of people would be bullying her again...
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

This is opening up a can of worms that probably doesn't need to be opened. Must mean I have zero sympathy in cases like this, in which case I'm a terrible person. But unless you have suffer from mental illness (bi-polar disorder, etc), I just feel nothing for people who commit suicide because they were bullied, teased, loner, etc.

I had one of my closest friends commit suicide years ago (2004), and he was bi-polar. None of us knew it at the time and felt awful afterwards. I understand due to his illness why he came to that point. I myself came dangerously close to committing suicide 4 years ago. However, as a few people have indicated, the only reason at the time why I didn't was because I knew it was incredibly selfish to take that way out and leave my wife and my family with the aftermath.

I feel for her family, but not for her situation. And like I said, I know I'll receive criticism for saying that.


I think its safe to assume Amanda was extremely distraught, so... I guess you can save yourself the trouble of blaming her.

Commonly teens who are depressed talk about killing themselves. Not only did she do that, but she went as far as making a video about it and posting it on u-tube. This is obviously a very troubled person. If that doesnt convince you something was seriously wrong then I dont know what would.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:05 PM

So I am judgemental and I fancy myself an expert on suicide. You still have an argument to respond to.


Thats because you think its a selfish thing to do.

Me, I dont know what its like to walk in their shoes so I cant speak on the matter.

Was Rick Rypien a dramatic teenager who was bullied into commiting suicide?


Why would you differentiate between the two? Thats not consistent with your rhetoric:

To kill yourself is to put your friends and family through the worst momments of their lives. Killing yourself is not thinking of what you're taking from everyone else. It is thinking of a one-way-out solution to your problems and creating a no-way-out problem for your parents or friends who could lay sleepless for the rest of their lifes asking if it was their fault, or if there was something they could've done to stop you from killing yourself.


This applies to pretty much everyone doesnt it?
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

http://ca.news.yahoo...-173710699.html

RCMP's Operation Snapshot leads to major child porn bust, 30 arrests made

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

This is opening up a can of worms that probably doesn't need to be opened. Must mean I have zero sympathy in cases like this, in which case I'm a terrible person. But unless you have suffer from mental illness (bi-polar disorder, etc), I just feel nothing for people who commit suicide because they were bullied, teased, loner, etc.

I had one of my closest friends commit suicide years ago (2004), and he was bi-polar. None of us knew it at the time and felt awful afterwards. I understand due to his illness why he came to that point. I myself came dangerously close to committing suicide 4 years ago. However, as a few people have indicated, the only reason at the time why I didn't was because I knew it was incredibly selfish to take that way out and leave my wife and my family with the aftermath.

I feel for her family, but not for her situation. And like I said, I know I'll receive criticism for saying that.


Do you not get it? Her bullying was one of the stressors that led her to mental illness (depression, anxiety, panic disorder). yes, she was suffering from mental illness.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:52 PM

I think its safe to assume Amanda was extremely distraught, so... I guess you can save yourself the trouble of blaming her.


Just for clarification, at no point did I mention anything about blaming anyone, including her. That's not what my post was about.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:55 PM

Do you not get it? Her bullying was one of the stressors that led her to mental illness (depression, anxiety, panic disorder). yes, she was suffering from mental illness.


I don't want this to turn into, "Monty is a heartless *ss." But none of those things you mentioned are mental illnesses. If she was actually suffering from a mental illness, then that's different. And she very well may have been. But from what you have listed (depression, anxiety, panic disorder), none of those are mental illnesses.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:01 PM

I don't want this to turn into, "Monty is a heartless *ss." But none of those things you mentioned are mental illnesses. If she was actually suffering from a mental illness, then that's different. And she very well may have been. But from what you have listed (depression, anxiety, panic disorder), none of those are mental illnesses.


actually, according the DSM IV those are all mental disorders........sorry to burst your little bubble there.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:11 PM

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I'll keep this vague so I don't get accused of personal attacks.

For all those people who are opting to blame the victim (be that her flashing or neglecting to take down social media outlets) you are despicable human beings who equate the bully's inability to rationalize with the bullied. She was a teenager, teenagers aren't the brightest demographic. This is a girl who took to drinking bleach and cutting herself, who had to move numerous times to avoid the bullies, and somehow she's the fool for participating in social media like every other teenager?

Amanda Todd's case was a tragic case of systemic neglect. The interest of the public in understanding her case leads to greater knowledge of bullying and how to stop it. It is not a negative for these people to have interest and do nothing. Rather it gives the public a greater sense of when bullying is occurring and how to stop it.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:18 PM

I'll keep this vague so I don't get accused of personal attacks.

For all those people who are opting to blame the victim (be that her flashing or neglecting to take down social media outlets) you are despicable human beings who equate the bully's inability to rationalize with the bullied. She was a teenager, teenagers aren't the brightest demographic. This is a girl who took to drinking bleach and cutting herself, who had to move numerous times to avoid the bullies, and somehow she's the fool for participating in social media like every other teenager?

Amanda Todd's case was a tragic case of systemic neglect. The interest of the public in understanding her case leads to greater knowledge of bullying and how to stop it. It is not a negative for these people to have interest and do nothing. Rather it gives the public a greater sense of when bullying is occurring and how to stop it.


Pretty much.

People are ignorant, insensitive, or just plain old assholes. I'm really quite shocked by people in this thread, but then again, I suppose I shouldn't be.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:05 PM

I don't want this to turn into, "Monty is a heartless *ss." But none of those things you mentioned are mental illnesses. If she was actually suffering from a mental illness, then that's different. And she very well may have been. But from what you have listed (depression, anxiety, panic disorder), none of those are mental illnesses.

All of those are mental illnesses and all of them are part of the DSM.

Edit: Sorry stawns I didn't see your post.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:14 PM

Thats because you think its a selfish thing to do.


...and then explain to me why you think taking something from everyone else to solve a problem of yours isn't selfish?

Me, I dont know what its like to walk in their shoes so I cant speak on the matter.

Then this argument is over and probably never should've started in the first place?

Why would you differentiate between the two? Thats not consistent with your rhetoric:

Why would you differentiate between two completely different cases of suicide? I know virtually nothing about the suicide of Rick Rypien and thus I don't feel comfortable relating Amanda's suicide to his. If you think what I say applies to him, than feel free to apply my argument's logic to that case, otherwise don't. However I will not be the one to apply my argument to his case because I know nothing of it. Further, I won't argue whether my comments do or don't apply to his case, that is up to you to decide.

This applies to pretty much everyone doesnt it?

Yes, and it argues that suicide is selfish because of that.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:40 PM

Some of you guys are still completely missing the point.

The point is not about the fact that Amanda Todd committed suicide. The point is WHY she committed suicide, and that's really the discussion. Her suicide has helped bring to light certain issues that in general the public prefers to sweep under the rug and ignore.

You may disagree with Amanda's decision, you may think she was selfish, and you may continue to be insensitive and ignorant of what she went through, but if you guys cannot agree with the fact that bullying and its effects are worth discussing, then I don't know what to say to you.

Mental issues and illnesses will continue to carry the stigma because of people's misguided opinions about it. There needs to be discourse and education and more light shed on the topic.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:47 PM

It was posted and deleted because it violates certain board rules.


Which ones were those?

I think it had one swear word in it. Was that why it was edited out?

(I'm assuming you were reffering to the video I posted)

Anyways, it raises some very valid points, and I believe those who don't understand them (not necessarily agree) are the type of people the video is talking about . If anybody wants to view it they can go the The Amazing Atheists youtube channel and find it, it was posted recently.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:45 PM

Which ones were those?

I think it had one swear word in it. Was that why it was edited out?

(I'm assuming you were reffering to the video I posted)

Anyways, it raises some very valid points, and I believe those who don't understand them (not necessarily agree) are the type of people the video is talking about . If anybody wants to view it they can go the The Amazing Atheists youtube channel and find it, it was posted recently.

I thought the video had a few good points but was mostly just a moronic rant. I'm pretty sure I already addressed why I thought so a few pages back.

And I don't know which rules, I guess language and perhaps just being disrespectful.
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