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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:32 PM

It's a tragic story. Hopefully there will be charges pressed against the persons responsible.

The Facebook Page/Group used to torment Amanda is now the most popular memorial page. The page was created on Sept. 3, 2012. It would seem the original creators of the page have wiped out any possible posting history from before Oct. 11th.

For those interested: https://www.facebook...0061749?fref=ts

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:34 PM

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:35 PM

ESPECIALLY if you sleep with their boyfriends on the week they happen to be on vacation


What? No, it doesn't matter at all. The only whore in that scenario is the boyfriend. Noone deserves to be bullied into suicide regardless, anyways.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:45 PM

Bullying should be fought with education, not legislation: Premier

B.C. Premier Christy Clark says horrific bullying that preceded the apparent suicide of a teenaged girl this week needs to be countered with education, not legislation.

Ms. Clark, in a TV interview with CBC News, said she was disturbed by the events recounted in a video Amanda Todd, 15, posted weeks before her death. But the Premier dismissed a suggestion to strengthen laws to allow police to trace cyber bullies through the Internet.

“We do need to be careful about creating laws that are going to impinge on people’s privacy and freedom of speech. I think that’s an important principle we need to preserve as well,” said Ms. Clark, who has campaigned for years against bullying.

“This situation is awful, it’s tragic … but at the same time we need to remember the solution to the problem is going to be education.”

Ms. Clark’s government announced a series of anti-bullying initiatives in the education system last June, including new training that will help educators detect and intervene in instances of bullying.

Meanwhile, the RCMP in British Columbia have started an investigation into Amanda's death.

RCMP said Friday that serious-crime teams are working together, conducting interviews and reviewing contributing factors to the death of 15-year-old's death.

Constable Jamie Phillipson could only say police are at the early stages of an investigation, and their primary role now is to act on behalf of the victim’s family.

An official with the B.C. coroner’s office confirmed preliminary indications suggest Ms .Todd took her own life earlier this week, just a month after posting a haunting video on YouTube describing both cyber and physical bullying.

During her nine-minute video, Todd explained via hand-written notes that while in Grade 7, she was lured by an unidentified male to expose her breasts via webcam. One year later, she said she received a message from a man on Facebook threatening that if she didn’t give him a show, he would send the webcam picture to her friends and family.

She said police later told her the man followed through with his threat, and she plunged into anxiety, major depression and drugs and alcohol.

“My boobs were his profile picture,” she said of the cyberbully’s Facebook page.

She said she tried to kill herself twice.

The video ends with her note: “I have nobody. I need someone.”

RCMP Sgt. Peter Thiessen said there was significant concern within schools, the community and the public over the role bullying could have played in the incident, but it’s too soon for police to comment on the issue.

“B.C. RCMP has publicly stated in the past that bullying ranks second, behind substance abuse, for youth issues identified as concerns by our detachments,” Mr. Thiessen said in a news release.

Simon Fraser University criminologist Brenda Morrison says the response to bullying needs to change and the community needs to step up to fight back.

Ms. Morrison says no one appeared to stand up for Amanda when she was being bullied, and she needed a community to care for her.

Merlyn Horton, executive director of the Safe Online Outreach Society and a former youth-outreach worker, said the education system needs to teach children as young as six about the powers and pitfalls of the Internet.

While adolescents have always experimented with sexuality and exhibitionism, today’s youths are using communication tools that can have consequences significantly different from those experienced by any other generation, she said.

“This is a culture and an online community, and what it’s going to take is values-based conversations with adults with their kids about online conduct,” Ms. Horton said.

“We have to learn how to deal with this environment.”

http://www.theglobea...article4609443/



Well done Christy. Don't give law enforcement the tools they need to investigate crimes. That's good leadership. Stay 'disturbed'. That should help the situation. :picard:

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:32 PM

It's a tragic story. Hopefully there will be charges pressed against the persons responsible.

The Facebook Page/Group used to torment Amanda is now the most popular memorial page. The page was created on Sept. 3, 2012. It would seem the original creators of the page have wiped out any possible posting history from before Oct. 11th.

For those interested: https://www.facebook...0061749?fref=ts

hahahah too bad for them that all posts for that page are stored in a cache, I am sure. People are too stupid though, and think they can just hit delete and it's gone for good. ROT IN HELL FCKERS!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:29 PM

Well done Christy. Don't give law enforcement the tools they need to investigate crimes. That's good leadership. Stay 'disturbed'. That should help the situation. :picard:


But of course, anything that "strengthen laws to allow police to trace cyber bullies through the Internet" will be seen as draconian, SOPA, 1984ish, Vic Towes-like, or Harperite. Right, Sharpie? Isn't that the party line - to bloody tweet #tellVicEverything in the face of internet surveillance legislation?

Let's face it - if there's better education so Amanda Todds know to call 1800SUICIDE or Kids Help Phone, if there's better education so youth know who to talk to, if there's better education so people know what the signs of depression are, we wouldn't need this article.


Funny how some call for legislation that can trace cyberbullies when this was an outrage 8 months ago.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:41 PM

But of course, anything that "strengthen laws to allow police to trace cyber bullies through the Internet" will be seen as draconian, SOPA, 1984ish, Vic Towes-like, or Harperite. Right, Sharpie? Isn't that the party line - to bloody tweet #tellVicEverything in the face of internet surveillance legislation?

Let's face it - if there's better education so Amanda Todds know to call 1800SUICIDE or Kids Help Phone, if there's better education so youth know who to talk to, if there's better education so people know what the signs of depression are, we wouldn't need this article.


Funny how some call for legislation that can trace cyberbullies when this was an outrage 8 months ago.


There's no reason that police can't just get a warrant to trace or track down cyber criminals either currently or with new legislation to include harrasment/stalking/threatening as part of that if it isn't already.

That enables law enforcement to do their jobs better and it keeps the average person from having their privacy violated as well by over-zealous draconian law enforcement measures.

So yeah....there you go. #CommonSense
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:35 PM

But of course, anything that "strengthen laws to allow police to trace cyber bullies through the Internet" will be seen as draconian, SOPA, 1984ish, Vic Towes-like, or Harperite. Right, Sharpie? Isn't that the party line - to bloody tweet #tellVicEverything in the face of internet surveillance legislation?

Let's face it - if there's better education so Amanda Todds know to call 1800SUICIDE or Kids Help Phone, if there's better education so youth know who to talk to, if there's better education so people know what the signs of depression are, we wouldn't need this article.


Funny how some call for legislation that can trace cyberbullies when this was an outrage 8 months ago.

There's no reason that police can't just get a warrant to trace or track down cyber criminals either currently or with new legislation to include harrasment/stalking/threatening as part of that if it isn't already.

That enables law enforcement to do their jobs better and it keeps the average person from having their privacy violated as well by over-zealous draconian law enforcement measures.

So yeah....there you go. #CommonSense


Agreed with both of you but why can't we just have both of the same worlds.. and although I agree with what you're saying Sharp there are some issues regarding policing the internet, would you like the police or government to infringe your privacy on the internet?

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:32 PM

Agreed with both of you but why can't we just have both of the same worlds.. and although I agree with what you're saying Sharp there are some issues regarding policing the internet, would you like the police or government to infringe your privacy on the internet?


As long as they have a warrant to do so, i'm fine with any law enforcement agency being allowed to conduct a search on an active criminal investigation.

The rule of law supercedes the right to privacy.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:02 AM


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 09:15 AM

I put most of the blame on parents. Bullying is simply a part of scool and it happens to everyone kid in one form or another. A lot of bullies were bullied in the first place to become that way. And you will never completely remove that aspect from early childhood.

So to me it's up to parents firstly to speak to their children about it. Your child or teenager should have no problem talking to you about it. Secondly it's the schools responsibly to bring it to everyone's attention.

Sadly it seems like these kinds of things will always happen once in awhile.

RIP

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 09:40 AM

What's sickening is that no one would stand up for her when she was beaten up at school in front of 50 people (according to her vid).

Chivalry sure is dead.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 09:54 AM

Well done Christy. Don't give law enforcement the tools they need to investigate crimes. That's good leadership. Stay 'disturbed'. That should help the situation. :picard:

From a legal perspective, it is difficulty to characterize "bullying" and prove it in cases where physical contacts are not invovled. People get offended by the slightest thing nowadays and it would've been a nightmare to interact with others if anti-bullying were legislated.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 10:28 AM

Amanda Todd didn't have a hope in hell. What are you supposed to do when you are surrounded by children all day in an environment that is perfectly suited to keeping them infantalized? This is the fundamental hypocrisy of adults blaming children for not treating each other with respect. Where the hell are they going to learn respect? Children today do not have the status of personhood. That is why they are coerced to be in schools in the first place. And that is where they learn to treat other people like objects. After all, that is how they are treated. I know that when I was in school it did not matter what I felt, or thought, or was interested in learning, or how poorly I was being treated by teachers or by peers. I had to be there. I had to do what I was told. "Sit down. Shut up. Don't cause a fuss".was the general vibe of the environment. So in my mind blaming the bullies is just another way society goes about blaming the victims of it's own bullying for the effects.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

so I was playing GTA IV Multiplayer lastnight, and these two idiots were talking. The one clown asked the other if he heard about Amanda Todd. Well anyway, long story short, he ended up talking a lot of smack about her, said he only found out about it lastnight, but he sure knew every detail, saying how she was an idiot and how he hates people/girls that act like their problems are so huge etc...and then finished it off with "Man I wouldda helped her" the other guy goes "Oh you wanted to help her?" "Yeah, like put a glock up to her head and say "here ya go" "-Which he then reiterated a few more times. God damn!! I wish I recorded my online play. Please tell me how it is legal to even talk like that? F'd up people!!!!! Nothuing different than the comments that are seen on that youtube video though

EDIT: Oh yeah and just before I left I said "You should just kill yourself"

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:15 PM

What's sickening is that no one would stand up for her when she was beaten up at school in front of 50 people (according to her vid).

Chivalry sure is dead.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:17 PM

I put most of the blame on parents. Bullying is simply a part of scool and it happens to everyone kid in one form or another. A lot of bullies were bullied in the first place to become that way. And you will never completely remove that aspect from early childhood.

So to me it's up to parents firstly to speak to their children about it. Your child or teenager should have no problem talking to you about it. Secondly it's the schools responsibly to bring it to everyone's attention.

Sadly it seems like these kinds of things will always happen once in awhile.

RIP


This is very true.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:25 PM

From a legal perspective, it is difficulty to characterize "bullying" and prove it in cases where physical contacts are not invovled. People get offended by the slightest thing nowadays and it would've been a nightmare to interact with others if anti-bullying were legislated.


True, which is why I went on to specify bullying with things like harrasment, stalking, physical abuse, in either that post, or another one in this thread.

Cyber bullying could possibly be proven through email, and text messages, and other log information. I was just throwing it out there, in reaction to Christy's lack of leadership on this area.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

What's sickening is that no one would stand up for her when she was beaten up at school in front of 50 people (according to her vid).

Chivalry sure is dead.


That is because we are living in a society that is filled with cowards. Everyone is too scared to stand up and stop something that is wrong. You have people being tough guys on the internet who are cowards in real life. This is also the reason why we have so much cyber bullying.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

so I was playing GTA IV Multiplayer lastnight, and these two idiots were talking. The one clown asked the other if he heard about Amanda Todd. Well anyway, long story short, he ended up talking a lot of smack about her, said he only found out about it lastnight, but he sure knew every detail, saying how she was an idiot and how he hates people/girls that act like their problems are so huge etc...and then finished it off with "Man I wouldda helped her" the other guy goes "Oh you wanted to help her?" "Yeah, like put a glock up to her head and say "here ya go" "-Which he then reiterated a few more times. God damn!! I wish I recorded my online play. Please tell me how it is legal to even talk like that? F'd up people!!!!! Nothuing different than the comments that are seen on that youtube video though

EDIT: Oh yeah and just before I left I said "You should just kill yourself"


You are basically doing what he is doing. Cyber Bullying. Instead of that, you should of become friends with him, got his address and phone number, then provided those information to the RCMP to help them in their investigation of this case. Cyber bullying other cyber bullies will just add more fuel to the fire.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

A more apt quote would have been,

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Where did my post go that you quoted? It seems it's been deleted...?

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hmm probably because the poster I quoted said something stupid ;)

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:57 PM

I'm not trying to justify anything that was done to her. No, she did not deserve what happened to her. Yes, I sympathize with her family. However, if you believe that no blame whatsoever is in her ballpark, you're wrong. She made a stupid mistake for a pre-teen? Sure. That mistake still eventually lead to her suicide. Go ahead and call me "immature", "ignorant", or whatever you'd prefer to say. I'm entitled to my own opinion and I believe that while what happened to her is BEYOND messed up, and that the guy who did it deserves more than his fair share of punishment in prison. Acting as if I was saying she's to blame for more than a minute bit of this is incorrect, and you guys know it.

If you watch the video she acknowledges that she made a mistake. Those posters are wrong you didn't say she was to blame at all but the implication you're making is that had she not done this thing none of this happens. That's a fair statement if we don't look at any of the context. I guess I'm saying that what you're saying isn't really necessary because in her video she acknowledges her mistakes as mistakes; which some might say is difficult in itself for an adult let alone a teen girl.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:23 PM

When I was thirteen years old in 2000 an eight grader committed suicide by jumping off a bridge in Surrey. This problem is nothing new and soon this will fade from the public discourse and we will await the next tragedy while nothing changes. Instead of asking what we can do to prevent incidents like this from occurring people are wanting to appropriate blame, see the severe punishments are handed out, etc. Like any of these things will prevent the next Amanda Todd from committing suicide.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:31 PM

There is still so many people putting her down on Facebook, youtube, etc.

At least leave her alone now.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

You are basically doing what he is doing. Cyber Bullying. Instead of that, you should of become friends with him, got his address and phone number, then provided those information to the RCMP to help them in their investigation of this case. Cyber bullying other cyber bullies will just add more fuel to the fire.

LOL you're joking right? I told a guy who was talking smack and saying he'd help her kill herself by shooting her in the head, to kill himself. yes, I am a bully. Bahahahahahaha. That is one of the kinds of peiople that should off themselves, not innocent people.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:10 PM

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This has hit my son and family hard..
My son goes to the same school that Amanda went to. He has also been bullied very badly for the last 4 years starting in grade 6, the bullies also made a face book page ( around 3 years ago) and even used a pic from his own profile (a picture of him playing guitar) calling him a "Gay Slur" and calling on people to agree he was worthless.I only found the face book page by accident by randomly doing a search of his name. I complained to the school and provided proof of it with all the names of the students on the page
( I was able to take a screen shot before the kids could take their names off) Nothing was done...it wasn't even recorded on their school records.
As he moved to high school alot of the bullies followed as it was in the same district. (#42)
Things went from bad to worse as the made sure no one should become friends with him and made sure he was harassed even more.
At one point he was attacked in front of our own house by 15 youths. I just happened to be leaving at the same time and was able to stop and push the kids away before any real harm was done. So what do you think happened after that?

You'd be wrong in assuming that the kids were punished this time. As a matter of fact I was charged with assault because the kids all banded together to say that I randomly attacked them. Even though several had been identified as kids that had bullied my son before. One year after...almost to the day of the attack and around 7000 dollars in legal bills later the crown drops the charges.
Seems the youths, some of the kids involved are arrested for beating pepper spraying and robbing another kid that they have also targeted.

Seems they know longer believed I attacked them..

In all of this my son has gone from a happy talented musician to a lonely and sad young man who spends most of his time in his room also wishing at times.. that he could just disappear.

Where am i going with this? I have tried for years to get the school district to do something, they are quite aware of my sons and other youths problems, but say their doing everything that thy are required to do.They even suggested we sell are house and move away for the good of our son.

I asked about trying to do something for bullied kids.Maybe introduce a program into the high schools like Alberta is doing called SACSC http://www.sacsc.ca/ There it is actually part of the school curriculum.
The only thing that they seem to want to do is "Pink Shirt Day".

The time for change in our schools is now!!
How many more lives have to be lost..

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

What's sickening is that no one would stand up for her when she was beaten up at school in front of 50 people (according to her vid).

Chivalry sure is dead.


Not condoning what happened, but the reason the fight happened is because she slept with another girls boyfriend. Same thing would happen with adults at a pub if the same situation happened.

What? No, it doesn't matter at all. The only whore in that scenario is the boyfriend. Noone deserves to be bullied into suicide regardless, anyways.


really? She should know better not to sleep with a guy who has a girlfriend.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

This has hit my son and family hard..
My son goes to the same school that Amanda went to. He has also been bullied very badly for the last 4 years starting in grade 6, the bullies also made a face book page ( around 3 years ago) and even used a pic from his own profile (a picture of him playing guitar) calling him a "Gay Slur" and calling on people to agree he was worthless.I only found the face book page by accident by randomly doing a search of his name. I complained to the school and provided proof of it with all the names of the students on the page
( I was able to take a screen shot before the kids could take their names off) Nothing was done...it wasn't even recorded on their school records.
As he moved to high school alot of the bullies followed as it was in the same district. (#42)
Things went from bad to worse as the made sure no one should become friends with him and made sure he was harassed even more.
At one point he was attacked in front of our own house by 15 youths. I just happened to be leaving at the same time and was able to stop and push the kids away before any real harm was done. So what do you think happened after that?

You'd be wrong in assuming that the kids were punished this time. As a matter of fact I was charged with assault because the kids all banded together to say that I randomly attacked them. Even though several had been identified as kids that had bullied my son before. One year after...almost to the day of the attack and around 7000 dollars in legal bills later the crown drops the charges.
Seems the youths, some of the kids involved are arrested for beating pepper spraying and robbing another kid that they have also targeted.

Seems they know longer believed I attacked them..

In all of this my son has gone from a happy talented musician to a lonely and sad young man who spends most of his time in his room also wishing at times.. that he could just disappear.

Where am i going with this? I have tried for years to get the school district to do something, they are quite aware of my sons and other youths problems, but say their doing everything that thy are required to do.They even suggested we sell are house and move away for the good of our son.

I asked about trying to do something for bullied kids.Maybe introduce a program into the high schools like Alberta is doing called SACSC http://www.sacsc.ca/ There it is actually part of the school curriculum.
The only thing that they seem to want to do is "Pink Shirt Day".

The time for change in our schools is now!!
How many more lives have to be lost..


This makes me mad and I hope you keep fighting for your child and really for everyone. When the frack will people have common sense and do what is right and not what is easy? The parent of the victim needs to pay legal costs to protect his kid now? The school districts and politicians absolve themselves of responsibility? I'm so sick of how ineffectual everything is deliberately designed to be. Don't kid ourselves into thinking Amanda Todd will be the turning point. There are and will be more kids who suffer and are tormented on a day to day basis, some eventually taking their life like Amanda while everyone carries on with their merry lives and blames someone else.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:28 PM

Not condoning what happened, but the reason the fight happened is because she slept with another girls boyfriend. Same thing would happen with adults at a pub if the same situation happened.



really? She should know better not to sleep with a guy who has a girlfriend.


Oh great some ignorant fool blaming the victim. In your own words you compare an adult's actions with that of a 14 year old girl. There is a reason why our criminal justice system does not hold youth accountable to the same level of adults. Even if she made poor choices she did not deserve to be bullied or tormented either online or at school.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

This has hit my son and family hard..
My son goes to the same school that Amanda went to. He has also been bullied very badly for the last 4 years starting in grade 6, the bullies also made a face book page ( around 3 years ago) and even used a pic from his own profile (a picture of him playing guitar) calling him a "Gay Slur" and calling on people to agree he was worthless.I only found the face book page by accident by randomly doing a search of his name. I complained to the school and provided proof of it with all the names of the students on the page
( I was able to take a screen shot before the kids could take their names off) Nothing was done...it wasn't even recorded on their school records.
As he moved to high school alot of the bullies followed as it was in the same district. (#42)
Things went from bad to worse as the made sure no one should become friends with him and made sure he was harassed even more.
At one point he was attacked in front of our own house by 15 youths. I just happened to be leaving at the same time and was able to stop and push the kids away before any real harm was done. So what do you think happened after that?

You'd be wrong in assuming that the kids were punished this time. As a matter of fact I was charged with assault because the kids all banded together to say that I randomly attacked them. Even though several had been identified as kids that had bullied my son before. One year after...almost to the day of the attack and around 7000 dollars in legal bills later the crown drops the charges.
Seems the youths, some of the kids involved are arrested for beating pepper spraying and robbing another kid that they have also targeted.

Seems they know longer believed I attacked them..

In all of this my son has gone from a happy talented musician to a lonely and sad young man who spends most of his time in his room also wishing at times.. that he could just disappear.

Where am i going with this? I have tried for years to get the school district to do something, they are quite aware of my sons and other youths problems, but say their doing everything that thy are required to do.They even suggested we sell are house and move away for the good of our son.

I asked about trying to do something for bullied kids.Maybe introduce a program into the high schools like Alberta is doing called SACSC http://www.sacsc.ca/ There it is actually part of the school curriculum.
The only thing that they seem to want to do is "Pink Shirt Day".

The time for change in our schools is now!!
How many more lives have to be lost..


If it's any consolation, you sound like a great dad. Keep up the great work in helping and protecting your son. You're an example to all us guys in that sense.
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