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Posted 12 October 2012 - 05:40 PM

She did, she smacked the driver in the face. If she kept coming at him I could see it as self defense. But since she had backed off and he came up and hit her, I don't see it as self defense.


That might not be applicable in Ohio.

They have the 'Castle Doctrine' or the 'No Duty To Retreat' Law, which protects anyone who uses deadly force to defend themselves or another person from any civil liability against the person who created the threat against whom the deadly force was used.

Now, that's applicable to your house and vehicle, so it might or might not work in the case of someone's workplace, but the bus driver could possibly still argue Self Defence by 'necessity' or 'duress', as it is an 'affirmative defence' for attacking his attacker, even though she retreated slightly as he got out of his seat. The thing is that, she didn't necessarily leave the scene and chase her down to hit her. He got up, faced her, she remained, and after being hit once by her he could argue that he felt the danger of an attack was still present even after he got up, so he defended himself, and his passengers from an obvious violent and disruptively belligerent passenger.

I reckon there could be a case, but i'm no big fancy city lawyer.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:25 PM

Shame it wasn't a white driver hitting a black girl.
That's the kind of drama people need to get their minds off of gas prices.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:31 PM

aw the video is gone :(
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:45 PM

I said right in my post that I wasn't advocating that kind of violence...yup the bus driver should be fired. He could have killed her. All I have been saying(with the use of hyperbole) is, "I believe" there is a serious discipline issue with a lot of kids growing up today...there is an ever expanding number of out-of-control kids these days(look no further than Amanda Todd). But like I have also already said, I don't know the answers, that is just my opinion.

I don't think you should be advocating any sort of violence as a child-rearing tactic. Discipline is fine, but violent discipline provides blind and fearful obedience at best and perpetuates a cycle of violence. People that learn that violence is okay through their parents' actions are more likely to be violent themselves.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:05 PM

I don't think you should be advocating any sort of violence as a child-rearing tactic. Discipline is fine, but violent discipline provides blind and fearful obedience at best and perpetuates a cycle of violence. People that learn that violence is okay through their parents' actions are more likely to be violent themselves.


So where is your line between discipline and violent discipline?? Examples??

Most of the violent things I learned growing up came from hockey/rugby/school.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:26 PM

So where is your line between discipline and violent discipline?? Examples??

Most of the violent things I learned growing up came from hockey/rugby/school.

Discipline meaning using means other than physical force to correct behaviour. Do you really need examples of ways someone can do that without physical punishment? :huh:
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:54 PM

Discipline meaning using means other than physical force to correct behaviour. Do you really need examples of ways someone can do that without physical punishment? :huh:


Yes, please give me some examples of effective ways to discipline kids of the new millenium....because whatever they are(time outs, sit downs, talks, pfft), they ain't freaking working. A lot of kids pretty much do and say whatever they want these days without much mind as to who is around them. I shake my head at the mouths on some of these 10 year olds.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:29 PM



HAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:09 PM

It looked more like a tiger uppercut or even a mortal kombat uppercut
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:12 PM

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:26 PM

Off topic, but Guile was always my favorite. ^
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:40 PM

Yes, please give me some examples of effective ways to discipline kids of the new millenium....because whatever they are(time outs, sit downs, talks, pfft), they ain't freaking working. A lot of kids pretty much do and say whatever they want these days without much mind as to who is around them. I shake my head at the mouths on some of these 10 year olds.


Completely agree, if I ever did something really bad I would get a whooping from either my mom or my dad. My cousin on the other hand would get a time out and be sent into his room.

All I have to say is that he is kind of a d**k and curses his parents when they aren't around.

All I know is that I have never done anything really bad after those beatings. I mean a couple of years ago, I back talked at my mom and my dad gave me a nice whooping and ever since then I have not back talked.

Gotta say physical discipline works!
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:57 PM

Off topic, but Guile was always my favorite. ^

It's not that off topic guile could uppercut too if only the bus driver threw the sonic boom kick at her
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:11 PM

YOU MUST DEFEAT SHENG LONG TO STAND A CHANCE!
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:44 AM

That broad can take a punch like Homer Simpson.

Growing up I always thought it sounded like Ryu was saying "har noogen".
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:57 AM

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:28 AM

Yes, please give me some examples of effective ways to discipline kids of the new millenium....because whatever they are(time outs, sit downs, talks, pfft), they ain't freaking working. A lot of kids pretty much do and say whatever they want these days without much mind as to who is around them. I shake my head at the mouths on some of these 10 year olds.

A parent is financially in control of their child. In addition to positive reinforcement, taking away privileges such as video games, TV, or whatever it is they enjoy for misbehaviour would work for most kids. The problem is a lack of discipline or accountability, not that the kids aren't getting beaten into line by their parents.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:43 AM

Off topic, but Guile was always my favorite. ^


Chun li .. 500 kicks to your face in 2 seconds
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:13 AM

Completely agree, if I ever did something really bad I would get a whooping from either my mom or my dad. My cousin on the other hand would get a time out and be sent into his room.

All I have to say is that he is kind of a d**k and curses his parents when they aren't around.

All I know is that I have never done anything really bad after those beatings. I mean a couple of years ago, I back talked at my mom and my dad gave me a nice whooping and ever since then I have not back talked.

Gotta say physical discipline works!


Gaining your children's obedience by force, and having it endure because of their fear that force may be used again, is disgusting.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:24 AM

I'm far from someone who advocates beating women, or would ever accept 'bitch had it coming' as an excuse, but seriously, that bitch had it coming
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:45 AM

Gaining your children's obedience by force, and having it endure because of their fear that force may be used again, is disgusting.


Oh yeah sending a kid to a corner and telling them to think about what they did wrong works all the time.

I've seen little kids hit their parents and yell at them, isn't that disgusting.

A good slap to the face will get them in line. I've been beaten with a shoe before and even a wooden spoon. It works great, as long as your not trying to make the kid bleed or doing until there last breath.

I mean it was 3 smacks in a row with the shoe and spoon, doesn't do much damage just stings. It sends a strong message though.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:09 AM

Oh yeah sending a kid to a corner and telling them to think about what they did wrong works all the time.

I've seen little kids hit their parents and yell at them, isn't that disgusting.

A good slap to the face will get them in line. I've been beaten with a shoe before and even a wooden spoon. It works great, as long as your not trying to make the kid bleed or doing until there last breath.

I mean it was 3 smacks in a row with the shoe and spoon, doesn't do much damage just stings. It sends a strong message though.


I'm not against smacking, but you should never strike a child in the face or head. A few smacks on the backside is enough to discipline a child and teach them not to disrespect their parents again without doing any real physical harm. That worked with me.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:26 AM

A parent is financially in control of their child. In addition to positive reinforcement, taking away privileges such as video games, TV, or whatever it is they enjoy for misbehaviour would work for most kids. The problem is a lack of discipline or accountability, not that the kids aren't getting beaten into line by their parents.


Coming from a household where I grew up with 2 younger brothers, I can tell you that in some cases that simply doesn't work. The kid just goes on to resent their parent even more if their privilege is taken away. You say "beaten into line" as if parents beat their kids to a pulp to get their message across. It should be rare, and a last resort if they won't listen to anything else. And there's a huge difference between a single slap to the bottom and physical abuse.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:44 AM

My folks never needed to beat us to keep us inline but I can see how it can sometimes escalate. I do recall my 40 kilo grandma hitting my brother over the head with a broom handle tho.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:04 AM

Again, that's due to a lack of parenting, not a lack of physical punishment. Abuse is just a lazy and damaging way to deal with problems.

There are times when a child just will not respond to anything other than a good swat on the backside, my sister had the same opinion as your until she babysat my cousins kids, she changed her tune pretty quick after one night with those undisciplined little monsters. The kids should not live in terror of their parents, but they should learn that there are consequences to crossing certain lines.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:06 AM

Completely agree, if I ever did something really bad I would get a whooping from either my mom or my dad. My cousin on the other hand would get a time out and be sent into his room.

All I have to say is that he is kind of a d**k and curses his parents when they aren't around.

All I know is that I have never done anything really bad after those beatings. I mean a couple of years ago, I back talked at my mom and my dad gave me a nice whooping and ever since then I have not back talked.

Gotta say physical discipline works!


Often the threat of a spanking is enough once the kids realize the parent will actually do it
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:42 AM

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I'm not against smacking, but you should never strike a child in the face or head. A few smacks on the backside is enough to discipline a child and teach them not to disrespect their parents again without doing any real physical harm. That worked with me.


That's exactly what I have been trying to say. The most harm that ever came out of my spankings was a red bottom accompanied by a healthy dose of embarassment .....which is the whole point. It's nothing short of lunacy to think I was abused or beaten as a child, IMO.

My 4 year old nephew could sure use a little extra discipline. Yet his mom just laughs it off as her son pile drives grandmas poodle into the cement or when he beats the crap out of all his older cousins. I really worry how he's going to be in 10 years when he has been able to get away with pretty much everything his entire life. Oh they give him time outs and bed without dinner once in a while.....it's working wonders. :rolleyes:
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:50 AM

That's exactly what I have been trying to say. The most harm that ever came out of my spankings was a red bottom accompanied by a healthy dose of embarassment .....which is the whole point. It's nothing short of lunacy to think I was abused or beaten as a child, IMO.

My 4 year old nephew could sure use a little extra discipline. Yet his mom just laughs it off as her son pile drives grandmas poodle into the cement or when he beats the crap out of all his older cousins. I really worry how he's going to be in 10 years when he has been able to get away with pretty much everything his entire life. Oh they give him time outs and bed without dinner once in a while.....it's working wonders. :rolleyes:


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:56 AM

A parent is financially in control of their child. In addition to positive reinforcement, taking away privileges such as video games, TV, or whatever it is they enjoy for misbehaviour would work for most kids. The problem is a lack of discipline or accountability, not that the kids aren't getting beaten into line by their parents.


Well I guess our definition of discipline differs slightly. If you equate spanks on the bum or a swat on the hand to beatings....I'd say your view on reality is somewhat skewed.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:08 AM

They should legalize uppercuts just for these extreme circumstances.

Like if some crazy woman smacks a bus driver while he's driving he can legally give her one uppercut and it's publicly accepted.
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