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#1 Red-Haired_Shanks

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:58 PM

i dont think raymond has the play style to be a winger. he doesnt work the corners all that well and he can use his speed up the middle to free up players on the wings. unlike what most people think he is fairly good defensively if he works on his faceoffs he can be a good 3rd line centerman and fill the need of our 3rd line center position without having to sign anyone. manny can help mentor him for his faceoffs and positioning as a checking line centerman, while he can still produce offensively with his talent. with the lockout he has enough time to learn how to take faceoffs and get accustomed to a center position and if this little experiment with him as a centerman doesnt work we always have lapierre and malholtra that can fill in the 3rd line.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:02 PM

Or remove Raymond from the team in general.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:05 PM

i'd rather move him to center on another team.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:05 PM

This might work actually I would try it for a few games to see how he does if he is good leave him them.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:12 PM

i'd rather move him to center on another team.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:12 PM

Some of Raymond's best games were on the third line. But as far as I know he's never played centre and that's a big adjustment to make. Your third line starts most of their ice time in the defensive zone, and those are must win faceoffs. Even if you lose the draw you have to be defensively sounds enough to get the puck back. I have no issue trying Raymond at the 3C role for a game or two, but I think he's better suited on the wing.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:17 PM

Raymond could really shine as the Leaf's top centre.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:22 PM

we have 2 better checking line centres in manny and lappy.

raymond needs a fresh start on a new team.... or a shock collar around his neck that shocks him if he's had the puck for more than 5 seconds and hasnt passed it yet.. and maybe some kind of strap on the back of his helmet that hooks to his jersey and forces him to have his head up and looking for linemates.

his problem isnt falling down, its he holds on to the puck so long weaving around the offensive zone that they realize he is not going to pass it and double team him. this results in him falling down so much

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:23 PM

Raymond could really shine as the Leaf's top centre.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

I've taken the time to draw up a play-board to demonstrate what I'd expect from Raymond at center:

X demonstrates where I'd expect a weak shot, blotches are potential fall down locations.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:15 PM

Some of Raymond's best games were on the third line. But as far as I know he's never played centre and that's a big adjustment to make. Your third line starts most of their ice time in the defensive zone, and those are must win faceoffs. Even if you lose the draw you have to be defensively sounds enough to get the puck back. I have no issue trying Raymond at the 3C role for a game or two, but I think he's better suited on the wing.

He has. I believe he used to in junior, and has even filled in short term at center for the Canucks. He's reasonable in open play (good defensively, speedy on the forecheck and breakouts) but isn't traditionally strong as a faceoff guy which is important for a 3rd line role. It's essentially similar to us having used Higgins there in the past.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:16 PM

I've taken the time to draw up a play-board to demonstrate what I'd expect from Raymond at center:

X demonstrates where I'd expect a weak shot, blotches are potential fall down locations.

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^Hahaha spot on. ::D

But naw, I feel he's gonna reestablish a name for himself this season (If there is one).
Center might be a good idea.
I'd at least try it out for a couple games.

Edited by Tystick, 12 October 2012 - 02:18 PM.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:23 PM

His career faceoff pct is around 35% on about 250 taken. Not very good. If he switched to center he could probably move up to around 45%
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:12 PM

He has. I believe he used to in junior, and has even filled in short term at center for the Canucks. He's reasonable in open play (good defensively, speedy on the forecheck and breakouts) but isn't traditionally strong as a faceoff guy which is important for a 3rd line role. It's essentially similar to us having used Higgins there in the past.


Thanks for the correction.

From what I can see the Canucks don't have a solid 3rd line centre, Lappy is better suited for the 4th line and Manny isn't what he use to be. So why not give Raymond a try, if he is terrrible Coach V will know quickly and adjust the lines.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:22 PM

Thanks for the correction.

From what I can see the Canucks don't have a solid 3rd line centre, Lappy is better suited for the 4th line and Manny isn't what he use to be. So why not give Raymond a try, if he is terrrible Coach V will know quickly and adjust the lines.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:28 PM

His career faceoff pct is around 35% on about 250 taken. Not very good. If he switched to center he could probably move up to around 45%


if manny mentors him and he practices faceoffs more often i think he can move up to around 50-55%. we have one of the best faceoff men in the league on our team and he can pass along his secrets and techniques to mayray
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

His low faceoff winning % doesn't really go along with our possession style of play.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

He has. I believe he used to in junior, and has even filled in short term at center for the Canucks. He's reasonable in open play (good defensively, speedy on the forecheck and breakouts) but isn't traditionally strong as a faceoff guy which is important for a 3rd line role. It's essentially similar to us having used Higgins there in the past.

His low faceoff winning % doesn't really go along with our possession style of play.


you guys dont read my proposals do you?

i dont think raymond has the play style to be a winger. he doesnt work the corners all that well and he can use his speed up the middle to free up players on the wings. unlike what most people think he is fairly good defensively if he works on his faceoffs he can be a good 3rd line centerman and fill the need of our 3rd line center position without having to sign anyone. manny can help mentor him for his faceoffs and positioning as a checking line centerman, while he can still produce offensively with his talent. with the lockout he has enough time to learn how to take faceoffs and get accustomed to a center position and if this little experiment with him as a centerman doesnt work we always have lapierre and malholtra that can fill in the 3rd line.

​hes not good now but if he gets better like i was explaining he can be 3rd line center
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:46 PM

you guys dont read my proposals do you?

i dont think raymond has the play style to be a winger. he doesnt work the corners all that well and he can use his speed up the middle to free up players on the wings. unlike what most people think he is fairly good defensively if he works on his faceoffs he can be a good 3rd line centerman and fill the need of our 3rd line center position without having to sign anyone. manny can help mentor him for his faceoffs and positioning as a checking line centerman, while he can still produce offensively with his talent. with the lockout he has enough time to learn how to take faceoffs and get accustomed to a center position and if this little experiment with him as a centerman doesnt work we always have lapierre and malholtra that can fill in the 3rd line.

​hes not good now but if he gets better like i was explaining he can be 3rd line center



That's where you lose me, I can't see Raymond getting better :P
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:47 PM

I don't understand why you're still defending this half baked proposal. If worse comes to worse just use Ebbett as a centre, he's also quick and can back check. Difference between him and Raymond is Ebbett has heart.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:57 PM

I don't understand why you're still defending this half baked proposal. If worse comes to worse just use Ebbett as a centre, he's also quick and can back check. Difference between him and Raymond is Ebbett has heart.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:12 PM

we already tried that a few years ago.... and it didn't work out that well.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

A centre who doesn't pass, lacks vision, his puck control consists of him skating in circles, and has an average shot at best. He doesn't play physical, nor does he have the strength/technique to tie up players. Raymond as the centre would be a poor man's Ryan Johnson.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 05:37 PM

Swap Raymond with Rome, maybe that will work.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 05:39 PM

lol wtf

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:01 PM

Rather have Schroeder at center over him. Raymond is good defensively, but his balance sucks. So I wouldn't trust him to anchor a line when he's always going down.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:13 PM

Rather have Schroeder at center over him. Raymond is good defensively, but his balance sucks. So I wouldn't trust him to anchor a line when he's always going down.


Schroeder as your third line centre? I hope we meet in the playoffs! If Schroeder makes your team it has to be in the top 6.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:35 PM

He'd definitely have to put on some muscle for this to happen...

Some of Raymond's best games were on the third line. But as far as I know he's never played centre and that's a big adjustment to make. Your third line starts most of their ice time in the defensive zone, and those are must win faceoffs. Even if you lose the draw you have to be defensively sounds enough to get the puck back. I have no issue trying Raymond at the 3C role for a game or two, but I think he's better suited on the wing.


I'd have no issue if MG gave him the Hodgson treatment.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:20 PM

move him to the moon and he'd still fall down.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:47 PM

Move Raymond to 3rd d pairing and move Ballard to 3rd line left winger. You can thank me later.
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