ConnorFutureGM Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Nonsense. I'm about as convinced by your claim that the Canucks, depending on the return in this deal, could be on the verge of a rebuild as I am that the world is going to end in 9 days. The word "rebuild|" in this context has literally no meaning. Apparently you're an Oilers fan - you may wish that fate on Vancouver, but you could scarcely embellish your point any more than you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Petrovic, Shore, Upshall, 1st? That's not unreasonable, Upshall has a bad contract (since they want some $$ coming our way), Shore isn't that great of a prospect (good but nothing special), really the things that hold most of the value for us in this deal are Petrovic and the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 IMO, you're still way out to lunch on your Luongo valuation. I can't imagine Florida paying this kind of price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 King believes the Canucks have to take back some salary in this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 If Gillis doesn't get his stated "Impact player, top prospect, 1st rounder" then he is getting what he deems as less than market value for a player who was supposed to be a cornerstone of the Canucks opportunity of winning a Stanley Cup. The core that was supposed to be bring a cup to Vancouver is already falling apart; Luongo wants out, Edler wants too much money, Kesler will never be the player he was, the Sedins are producing less. If Gillis can't get maximum return for core members of the Canucks, the ship will start sinking faster than the water is being pumped out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Underpayment, take Jovo out in exchange for a 7th then it might be more fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Petrovic, Shore, Upshall, 1st? That's not unreasonable, Upshall has a bad contract (since they want some $$ coming our way), Shore isn't that great of a prospect (good but nothing special), really the things that hold most of the value for us in this deal are Petrovic and the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 They wouldn't even give us Nick Bjugstad - a 1st by himself, which is a throw-in in this proposal - so I'm not sure why you think that they'd give us all of this, which is surely a bigger payment by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 You sound like a Tony Gallagher doomsday type - except that being an Oilers fan, you'd be more comparable to Spector, who loves to troll the Canucks....although he wouldn't make such ridiculous claims as these. . The "core is falling apart" takes embellishment to an all new level. "Fallen apart" into SCF game 7, and then pick themselves up to repeat as President's trophy winners. If the core didn't do that, obvioulsy the periphery is gdamn outstanding as well. Not much of a case for a rebuild. Hard to take this stuff seriously tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 That's because they don't want to give up Bjugstad, not because it isn't fair value-wise. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I disagree with this common characterizaion of Upshall as a cap dump or a bad contract - Florida is a tight budget/salary team, which is the only reason I think a guy like Upshall could be available at a devaluation. His 3.5 million cap hit is very reasonable for a guy who scores at a 20 to 30 goal pace throughout his career, and does a lot more than score. His downside is not his contract but his health - and when he's not healthy, his cap hit does not apply. He's a guy who could be a third piece in a deal but if playing could potentially be a serious impact roster player, particularly when you consider the types of players he could line up with as team-mates. Imo there are few better risks out there to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 He has not once scored 20, let alone 30. The "potential/pace" argument gets old after a while. Upshall's 29 years old, and if the last 2 years are any indication, he is not trending in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 You still haven't replied to my post. Which leads me to believe that you're either too lazy or you don't want to be proven wrong, which is the more likely reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 They don't think it's fair, or else they would make the trade. They think that Nick Bjugstad is more valuable than Roberto Luongo. That's what their message is. So I have no idea how you think that Shore, Petrovic, Upshall, and a 1st would get it done, unless you think Florida would rather have Bjugstad than that package, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 He has not once scored 20, let alone 30. The "potential/pace" argument gets old after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 They don't think it's fair, or else they would make the trade. They think that Nick Bjugstad is more valuable than Roberto Luongo. That's what their message is. So I have no idea how you think that Shore, Petrovic, Upshall, and a 1st would get it done, unless you think Florida would rather have Bjugstad than that package, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Huberdeau is likely untouchable. Bjugstad can probably be had for the right price and in the right situation. Florida needs to address their goaltending. Luongo can be had for the right price, which is something more than a bucket of used tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Maybe if we offer Lu for Bjugstad one for one they might accept (Which is something I would never do) other than that, barring a significant overpayment I doubt Tallon will include him in a deal, which is why I continue to believe Toronto is the far more likely buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yeah. Toronto is a (somewhat) better "now" trade partner. Florida is a far better "future" trade partner. It will be interesting to see where Gillis goes with this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 He has not once scored 20, let alone 30. The "potential/pace" argument gets old after a while. Upshall's 29 years old, and if the last 2 years are any indication, he is not trending in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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