King of the ES Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Uhm King, buddy, ol' pal ol' chum... you may want to go back and check your figures on that point. Upshall has scored 20+ goals (22 to be exact), in 2010-11 (which he split between Phoenix and Columbus). This was the only season where he went 82 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Florida needs to address their goaltending. Luongo can be had for the right price, which is something more than a bucket of used tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Not really. The two guys who led them to a division championship last year are back, and they've got one of the most highly-regarded prospects at that position that currently exist. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Right, OK. I just did a quick scan, didn't bother to check combining years. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Right, OK. I just did a quick scan, didn't bother to check combining years. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I've seen how many times you've stated that Florida is pathetic, that you don't believe they are very good... Now... no problems eh? Yes, division champions. But 36 year old starter who is a UFA in 6 months. 35 year old backup who has a year left on his contract. That most highly regarded prospect is injury prone - and the problematic is that it is his knees that are the challenge. I've heard how many times it has been questioned whether Schneider could be another Mason - well Markstrom is nowhere near a guaranteed NHL starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I think what you might be evidencing is that Upshall is a player whose value perhaps is generally not realized. Which is what I think makes him a good target as an add-in with allegedly 'negative' value ('cap/salary dump') - when in fact he is a good risk and could be a serious steal in a deal - and the type of player he is would fit very nicely with Kesler, Booth, Higgins, Hansen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Not really. The two guys who led them to a division championship last year are back, and they've got one of the most highly-regarded prospects at that position that currently exist. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Doug MacLean expains, and I agree with him, I think this is the reason too. And it makes sense when you really think about it. (The part I'm talking about is at 3:25) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yup, makes sense to me. You know this, and I know this, but somehow King can not grasp this. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Indeed it does. If Luongo is so old (not that old), has so many years left on his contract, and apparently is willing to play through the entire length of his remaining contract (or so you assume), and has the cap hit which it does (which is not that bad), and considering all of the other issues, both real and imagined ... ... why would Tallon have picked up the phone in the first place? This is a point I have raised before, and I do not recall seeing an answer from you. Getting Luongo at some kind of fire sale price would not remove any of these concerns. How would Luongo going to Florida for just even a cap dump contract do anything to solve the concerns you have raised? His contract would still have the same length remaining. The cap hit would remain the same. Luongo would still be 34 years old. So, if the goaltending situation in Florida isn't that bad, and they don't need Luongo, why did Tallon even enter the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yup, makes sense to me. You know this, and I know this, but somehow King can not grasp this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 But to answer your question, and under the assumption that he has, any player could be valuable to any team, depending on the asking price. Maybe Tallon just wanted to know what Gillis wants. For a low enough price, maybe Luongo would be attractive to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I can grasp it just fine. I can understand why Florida would want to acquire Lou. I'm saying that it's not essential and I'm also saying that they probably won't be eager to pay very much, since they know that Gillis has to get rid of him, and they have a very reasonable alternative path to take. It's you guys who simply aren't looking at it from the other side, and with blind faith in everyone's apparent desire for Luongo. Example, Smashian calls Florida's current goaltending tandem "old and declining", yet Clemmensen's about 1.5 years older, and even Theodore is only about 2.5 years older. Not much of a difference, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Example, Smashian calls Florida's current goaltending tandem "old and declining", yet Clemmensen's about 1.5 years older, and even Theodore is only about 2.5 years older. Not much of a difference, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Luongo still has more time remaining in his prime than both, but the difference is (And it is a huge one) Luongo is much much better than both of them. Luongo's game in 2 years will be better than Theodore's was 3 years ago, and probably better than Clemmensen's has ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Luongos stats were not much better than either, and Lou played on a much better team, so, if he was better he wasn;t much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Who's better? Luongo, Clemmensen or Theodore? Which one of those is a proven, star #1 goalie, and which other 2 are average starters/backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I;m saying, based on last years play, there wasn;t much to choose between the 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Even with last years play I would choose Lu, he was inconsistent but he also carried this team at times through Janurary to March. Niether goalies carried the Panthers at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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