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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:35 AM

I'm gonna call booth next time i go beaver hunting! Just sayin
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:55 AM

Speaking of Nietzsche:

The whole attitude of "man versus the world” man as world denying principle, man as the standard of the value of things, as judge of the world, who in the end puts existence itself on his scales and finds it too light - the monstrous impertinence of this attitude has dawned upon us as such, and has disgusted us, we now laugh when we find, "Man and World" placed beside one another, separated by the sublime presumption of the little word " and "!



Man is not separate from this world....he is part of it, and with the gifts he's been given, one could dare say he was ordained, or at least tasked to be its steward and not its usurping destroyer.


Wanna save the world, Shooter? Learn to view every human activity, especially development and economy, from the standpoint of but two variables: 1) number of people, and 2) energy consumption per head.

It will wonderfully clarify all the BS surrounding "sustainable development" and other high sounding verbiage so beloved by the politicos and their corporate masters.

Focusing on Booth's hobby is something of a low hanging fruit. Calling for the elimination of the immigration department, demanding more edumacating of women (every year in school is a % uptick in kids not being born), welcoming more stealth contraceptives (estrogen) in the food chain, etc. is where it is at.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:03 AM

It's not untenable. Your conclusion is in error because your premise is fallacious and your comprehension of the argument virtually non-existent at worst and mistaken at best.

There's in immorality aspect connected to killing for pleasure and an inherent unnecessary reason for someone who can provide themselves with more than sufficient sustenance of almost any persuasion to use the excuse that they're hunting for sustenance, which leaves the pleasure aspect back again front and center. It's inescapable. We know Booth hunts to get his rocks off, and his twitter pics and text clearly indicate as much.

By the way, he's not competing with a man, he's competing with an animal while holding almost every unfair advantage possible. That's not sporting, unless in the world of courageous hunter-warriors that is, and if so, then they're all the more pathetic.

But you keep on thinking that he's some mythic hero for taking out a helpless goat.


When I was twelve, I went hunting with my father and we shot a bird. He was laying there and something struck me. Why do we call this fun to kill this creature who was as happy as I was when I woke up this morning


Marv Levy



Hunting is not a proper employment for a thinking man.


Joesph Addison


Civilized life has altogether grown too tame, and, if it is to be stable, it must provide a harmless outlets for the impulses which our remote ancestors satisfied in hunting


Bertrand Russell




“Wildlife, we are constantly told, would run loose across our towns and cities were it not for the sport hunters to control their population, as birds would blanket the skies without the culling services of Ducks Unlimited and other groups. Yet here they are breeding wild animals, year after year replenishing the stock, all for the sole purpose of selling and killing them, deer and bears and elephants so many products being readied for the market. Animals such as deer, we are told, have no predators in many areas, and therefore need systematic culling. Yet when attempts are made to reintroduce natural predators such as wolves and coyotes into these very areas, sport hunters themselves are the first to resist it. Weaker animals in the wild, we hear, will only die miserable deaths by starvation and exposure without sport hunters to control their population. Yet it's the bigger, stronger animals they're killing and wounding--the very opposite of natural selection--often with bows and pistols that only compound and prolong the victim's suffering.”

Matthew Scully, Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy


Here's some mercy for you....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGfxD5hcInw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLqJCGNCjo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XafAdkZIYKA


Nature isn't kind.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:43 AM

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

Do you just survive on bread crumbs and water? Have you ever bought anything like a salad? If you have then don't you also think it is "ethically incorrect" since you are spending money that could be help save some starving children? I mean, I understand you get a kick out of your salad but what about the children? Do you just think about your own interest?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:44 AM

I like this guy less and less every day

Sermons about his religious beliefs and post pictures of hunting that he knows are offensive to some people
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:51 AM

Please don't be so naive. He didn't wait who knows how long and pay who knows how much in order to go trekking into the Rocky mountains because he had a hankering for goat meat. He did it for the trophy of killing a mountain goat, much like he has done for all the other animals he's killed. The fact that he may or may not have eaten its meat post-kill has no bearing in what drove him to kill it in the first place.


And we're you there with him when he planned the hunt? And the eating and use of the carcass has a HUGE thing since he didn't waste it and it didn't die without reason. It's not what one wants to do, but what one actually does that matters.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:54 AM

Please don't be so naive. He didn't wait who knows how long and pay who knows how much in order to go trekking into the Rocky mountains because he had a hankering for goat meat. He did it for the trophy of killing a mountain goat, much like he has done for all the other animals he's killed. The fact that he may or may not have eaten its meat post-kill has no bearing in what drove him to kill it in the first place.

If I see my goat meat is getting low in my freezer I plan on getting more in the future.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:55 AM

Do you fish? Is boating the same experience as fishing? Hiking is a destination. Hunting isn't. I was also an avid hiker, but the experience and goal is very different. That "poor animals" head on the wall and rug on the floor was also food in the freezer. Would you feel better had he thrown those parts out that we were not going to eat?


Nope, i don't. When I did, it was catch and release.

Did you primarily hunt for the kill or the food? Are you in an economically vulnerable situation where hunting meets your sustenance ergo basic survival needs? Again, why do you need to display any trophy if all you're after is the meat? Seems a bit disingenuous that you or your brother didn't go hunting primarily for the enjoyment factor. And yeah, if it was all about survival and eating for you guys then stick to the meat and toss out the ego symbol on the wall or the floor. Otherwise, accept that you and your brother kill for pleasure and just happen to eat the meat, even though you didn't 'need' it in order to survive, since you both earn enough of an income to sustain yourselves. Just admit that you kill for sport and the whole we're starving and need the meat is a bullsh*t cover.


There was nothing cut and paste in my post at all. I said goats are not "AS" abundant as deer. They aren't. Nor are they endangered. Nor are they even on a watch list. Isn't it funny how you completely ignore points that don't work for you. Before there were hunters there weren't fire firefighters either. Fires would run up the mountain creating new growth that goats fed off in the winter. This doesn't happen as often. Meaning less food. Before if it didn't happen it meant starvation. Is it better to hunt 50 and have 50 survive the winter or is it better not to hunt and have 100 starve? The reason goat is a limited hunt is they are not as abundant as deer not because they are endangered. Deer are plentiful therefore more are allowed to hunt them. Yet even deer hunting will be closed in certain zones if the population drops to much. In another zone the open season may be longer as the population has grown too much.


What I find funny is how you justify killing a life because the population is sufficiently not near extinction or endangered as a requirement, like that is the height of morality on your part.

Are you actually trying to tell me that there are less forest fires now than previously?? Good grief, i've heard of grasping at straw, but that's ridiculous. And if goats did indeed starve and die, then would they not be used as food for their predator or other life that depends on the meat of dead carcasses? The whole hunter as 'environmental stewards' is bulls**t. Sport hunters are the first ones against introducing natural predators back into areas that feed on the same animals that sport hunters hunt. You introduce a balance of predator and prey, the numbers of both will balance out. The only problem to that is that if man tries to hunt on top of it, they throw the balance out of whack, which is why they're all for restocking the supply, but hate the competition.

Are you certain of that? There was no bragging or trophies involved with nativews? I hate to break it to you but in many tribes hunting was a right of passage to manhood. Trophies would be taken. Antlers, horns, teeth, claws. All a form of bragging rights, decoration, or trophies. You seem really stuck on the term "trophy hunting". All it really means is the hunter isn't always going to take the first animal it he sees. In trophy hunting the bigger the better. Really no different than the natives back in the day. Bigger was better. It not only gave you more food, it gave better trophies and gave greater status as a hunter. But just like the natives it doesn't mean the meat goes to waste. Another part you choose to ignore instead only focusing on the trophy aspect.


So you're an aboriginal who was going through a ceremonial rite of passage? And if you're trying to equate how Booth uses the parts of a deer versus how natives do, you're kidding yourself, because you're not fooling me. There are virtually no similarities in how Booth hunts and why he hunts versus how and why First Nation's folk hunt.

The reason I focus on trophy hunter is because I recognize the immorality of their motivations, and the reason that I don't focus on those who do so for the necessity of sustenance is because I recognize the morality of their motivations.

Well with the costs involved between the hunt and taxidermy an amount of money is required. But perhaps you should actually experience hunting before writing it off as "killing for fun". That's a tad drama queen.

Again hiking is not the same experience, but I've already covered that. Nor do any of your alternatives put food on the table. You see, we eat the carcass. It's just the fur that sits on the floor. Hypocrisy at it's finest. It's ok to kill a cow, eat the meat, and make his hide into a jacket, belt, wallet, and shoes. But it's not ok to kill a bear, eat the meat and make his hide into a rug.

The difference between hunters and non-hunters is the hunter is willing to do the killing himself. The trophies aspect is simply the parts you're not going to eat and has gone on for thousands of years. Your respectful natives included.

The bottom line is this: if you eat meat something died. If you don't want to face the death part you let somebody else kill it and clean it for you. Then buy it neatly packaged in a store. And for Gods sake, don't look at hunting photos as they may upset you. That way you can imagine the meat that you eat came from the meat fairy.



The amount of money Booth spends on taxidermy and all the related costs for hunting, it doesn't seem like he actually has a fiscal or sustenance 'need' to hunt for his meat in order to 'put food on the table'. Seems to me Booth could put enough food on the table without having to take a life. But, i'd be willing to wage that food and survival isn't the primary motivator for Booth.

Oh, and I buy meat to eat, as a source of protein, when i don't use alternatives like lentils or soy products but I don't hang the package of the chicken breast on my wall after i'm done eating, nor do I go to the supermarket for the thrill of the hunt for packages of chicken breasts because it's such a rush to find a parking spot and get a good deal, nor do I post pictures on the internet when I finally get my hands on a 'family pack' of drumsticks, triumphantly posing with it like some supermarket Captain Morgan for all the world to see and laud me in my glorious......shopping for food.

People who speak out about killing animals are 'drama queens' or less manly men, but people who bear bait, or sit in trees luring some animal towards them are the real manly men. Or it's about the food, because Booth is a starving person who needs the meat from the killing of animals, but don't pay attention to the prized antlers on the wall or its skin on the floor, that's totally not what it's all about, even though he most likely displays it with such pride and prominence. Yeah....I totally buy that.

And, all pleasure seeking trophy hunters, like Booth, do by killing the best and biggest, is working against natural selection(something i'm sure he probably doesn't believe in). When you rob the animal gene pool of in a location of it's hardiest genes, you dilute the pool from which that species or that area of animals can select from in order to develop resilient offspring. It's an absolute shame that, because, they take away the best versions of those animals leaving the inferior stock to repopulate a herd of genetically inferior animals all because the big ones look 'the prettiest'. Yeah, real manly...big hero.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:58 AM

Is it ironic that a man with the chosen nickname of "sharpshooter" has a problem with hunting?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:02 PM

I like this guy less and less every day

Sermons about his religious beliefs and post pictures of hunting that he knows are offensive to some people


Does it offend you? Why do you care about his religious belief? I don't follow Christianity but him talking about it doesn't affect or bother me. Maybe you should stop being so uptight and judgmental. There is a reason the Canucks don't mind his hunting, it's good exercise, requires vigorous training, hand eye coordination, speed, stamina and strength and is an excellent way to prepare for the hockey season.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:12 PM

Is it ironic that a man with the chosen nickname of "sharpshooter" has a problem with hunting?


He must eat human animals like silly goose
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:12 PM

Silly me, I should have known that the real issue was hunting while smiling, rich, and maybe even white and Christian, eh? Why do I get the feeling that if his name was Livy something or rather you would not be chiming in?

What’s the core issue here: the activity, the state of mind while performing it, or the reason and circumstances that got him there? It never occurred to me, on account of my “non-existent comprehension” no doubt, that anyone would zero in on the surrounding stuff. Fine, we’ll see where this new found emphasis on “pleasure” and “immorality aspect” takes us.

We have it that Booth “getting his rocks off” from hunting is evidence of lack of scruples. That damns every professional or sporting hunter, trapper and fisherman who ever cracked a smile upon making a score. Then what of all the folks involved in the chain of preparation before the thing gets on your plate. How are we to quantify and assign immorality points at each stage? Remember, every step is necessary otherwise you don’t eat.

Thankfully, we have “Shooter” to tell us how to keep score. Rich, well-armed, posing with trophies while smiling, in no need of that particular sustenance, guys of Booth’s ilk = bad. Poor, wielding only butcher knives, trying to make ends meet, serious dudes punching in their shift cards at slaughter houses = good. Everybody else involved in prep work = maybe OK, so long as no pleasure was had while working.

If all that seems ridiculous it probably is. There is no moral aspect to be derived from man’s treatment of any animal, period. You consume and they get consumed. Even his best friend is perennially one wrong bite away from a trip to the disposal centre. Stress wise, wild animals tend to have it easier just prior.

Trying to ensure that they do not suffer and ending them swiftly when they do is about all that can be hoped for. Is there evidence of Booth acting otherwise? And rest assured that even that concise standard is not the norm in the Orient and probably lacks applicability in slaughter houses the world over.

Booth’s hobby is his own and it matters not whether he chases tail in bars as befitting a single guy, stays home and builds model trains, or scores big game during his free time. Most grownups don’t waste their time viewing these through an impossible to define morality prism. IT just IS WHAT IT IS.



Morality is the standard by which we judge things. Sorry to have to break it to you. I just is what it is.

Seeking out pleasure by intentionally harming an animal is immoral. It's immoral when a trophy hunter motivated by the primary motivation of killing for pleasure does so, just as it is when some guy does it to an animal through torture, in order to satisfy some pleasure seeking by doing so.

What you seem to lack is any perspective or rudimentary ability to morally distinguish between killing for pleasure and killing for necessity.

Booth kills for pleasure, not for necessity. A butcher prepares meat in order to earn a living, in order to provide for himself and his family, as do all workers in a meat processing plant. How those two are similar in this argument, is bewildering.

And lastly, that part that I highlighted is quite sickening to hear. The fact that you don't believe there is any morality associated with how a human treats an animal, just highlights the fact that you have no moral compass and are actually a bit of a revolting human being. It wouldn't surprise me if you've harmed or abused an animal at one time of another, since you don't derive any sense of morality from your treatment of them. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:14 PM

Wanna save the world, Shooter? Learn to view every human activity, especially development and economy, from the standpoint of but two variables: 1) number of people, and 2) energy consumption per head.

It will wonderfully clarify all the BS surrounding "sustainable development" and other high sounding verbiage so beloved by the politicos and their corporate masters.

Focusing on Booth's hobby is something of a low hanging fruit. Calling for the elimination of the immigration department, demanding more edumacating of women (every year in school is a % uptick in kids not being born), welcoming more stealth contraceptives (estrogen) in the food chain, etc. is where it is at.


Nope, i don't.

Low hanging fruit should be the easiest to pick first then eh?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:14 PM

I wonder if people will like David Booth more and forget about this if he actually produces this season.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:17 PM

Here's some mercy for you....


Nature isn't kind.


Kindness doesn't come into play for animals who survive by having to feed on other animals and in order to feed their offspring. They also don't have the choice to not kill in order to survive.

Perhaps I rightly should pass the crown you fitted me with back to you?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:20 PM

And we're you there with him when he planned the hunt? And the eating and use of the carcass has a HUGE thing since he didn't waste it and it didn't die without reason. It's not what one wants to do, but what one actually does that matters.


No, were you?

And you're right, what he did he pose with a large sh*teating grin, proud that he killed a defenceless goat. Pictures speak a thousand words.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:23 PM

Nope, i don't. When I did, it was catch and release.


so what you're saying here, is that when you did fish, you did so exclusivey for sport and cruelty? At least Booth eats what he hunts.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

If I see my goat meat is getting low in my freezer I plan on getting more in the future.


Do you want a medal?

Is it ironic that a man with the chosen nickname of "sharpshooter" has a problem with hunting?


Nope, because 'sharpshooters' don't kill defenceless animals in order to gain the military designation of 'sharpshooter', either now, or historically, nor does the submission hold made famous by a Canadian wrestler particularly useful for killing large animals.

But thanks for your display of ignorance, or 'avalanche' of stupidity, as it were.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

so what you're saying here, is that when you did fish, you did so exclusivey for sport and cruelty? At least Booth eats what he hunts.


As a child I did it for sport, but not for cruelty as I didn't have the awareness or knowledge that I was afflicting suffering. Booth is old enough to know.

Booth doesn't hunt primarily to feed himself, he hunts for the pleasure of killing, what he does afterwards is inconsequential as it's secondary to his primary motivation.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:39 PM

He must eat human animals like silly goose


Ah, i see, when you don't have the brain cells necessary for a cogent argument, you decide to demonstrate to us that you have just enough for prepubescent comments.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:41 PM

Does it offend you? Why do you care about his religious belief? I don't follow Christianity but him talking about it doesn't affect or bother me. Maybe you should stop being so uptight and judgmental. There is a reason the Canucks don't mind his hunting, it's good exercise, requires vigorous training, hand eye coordination, speed, stamina and strength and is an excellent way to prepare for the hockey season.


Easily among the more bizarre assertions put forth in this thread thus far.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

Nope, i don't. When I did, it was catch and release.

Did you primarily hunt for the kill or the food? Are you in an economically vulnerable situation where hunting meets your sustenance ergo basic survival needs? Again, why do you need to display any trophy if all you're after is the meat? Seems a bit disingenuous that you or your brother didn't go hunting primarily for the enjoyment factor. And yeah, if it was all about survival and eating for you guys then stick to the meat and toss out the ego symbol on the wall or the floor. Otherwise, accept that you and your brother kill for pleasure and just happen to eat the meat, even though you didn't 'need' it in order to survive, since you both earn enough of an income to sustain yourselves. Just admit that you kill for sport and the whole we're starving and need the meat is a bullsh*t cover.




What I find funny is how you justify killing a life because the population is sufficiently not near extinction or endangered as a requirement, like that is the height of morality on your part.

Are you actually trying to tell me that there are less forest fires now than previously?? Good grief, i've heard of grasping at straw, but that's ridiculous. And if goats did indeed starve and die, then would they not be used as food for their predator or other life that depends on the meat of dead carcasses? The whole hunter as 'environmental stewards' is bulls**t. Sport hunters are the first ones against introducing natural predators back into areas that feed on the same animals that sport hunters hunt. You introduce a balance of predator and prey, the numbers of both will balance out. The only problem to that is that if man tries to hunt on top of it, they throw the balance out of whack, which is why they're all for restocking the supply, but hate the competition.



So you're an aboriginal who was going through a ceremonial rite of passage? And if you're trying to equate how Booth uses the parts of a deer versus how natives do, you're kidding yourself, because you're not fooling me. There are virtually no similarities in how Booth hunts and why he hunts versus how and why First Nation's folk hunt.

The reason I focus on trophy hunter is because I recognize the immorality of their motivations, and the reason that I don't focus on those who do so for the necessity of sustenance is because I recognize the morality of their motivations.




The amount of money Booth spends on taxidermy and all the related costs for hunting, it doesn't seem like he actually has a fiscal or sustenance 'need' to hunt for his meat in order to 'put food on the table'. Seems to me Booth could put enough food on the table without having to take a life. But, i'd be willing to wage that food and survival isn't the primary motivator for Booth.

Oh, and I buy meat to eat, as a source of protein, when i don't use alternatives like lentils or soy products but I don't hang the package of the chicken breast on my wall after i'm done eating, nor do I go to the supermarket for the thrill of the hunt for packages of chicken breasts because it's such a rush to find a parking spot and get a good deal, nor do I post pictures on the internet when I finally get my hands on a 'family pack' of drumsticks, triumphantly posing with it like some supermarket Captain Morgan for all the world to see and laud me in my glorious......shopping for food.

People who speak out about killing animals are 'drama queens' or less manly men, but people who bear bait, or sit in trees luring some animal towards them are the real manly men. Or it's about the food, because Booth is a starving person who needs the meat from the killing of animals, but don't pay attention to the prized antlers on the wall or its skin on the floor, that's totally not what it's all about, even though he most likely displays it with such pride and prominence. Yeah....I totally buy that.

And, all pleasure seeking trophy hunters, like Booth, do by killing the best and biggest, is working against natural selection(something i'm sure he probably doesn't believe in). When you rob the animal gene pool of in a location of it's hardiest genes, you dilute the pool from which that species or that area of animals can select from in order to develop resilient offspring. It's an absolute shame that, because, they take away the best versions of those animals leaving the inferior stock to repopulate a herd of genetically inferior animals all because the big ones look 'the prettiest'. Yeah, real manly...big hero.


Actually I think you're the one clutching at straws here. You pick and chose through what I point out and ignore the actual points. And don't actually answer any questions at all.

You are an expert on what every hunter, past and present, thinks and feels when hunting.

Did my brothers have to hunt to survive? No. We did enjoy hunting though and enjoyed the meat from hunting that we couldn't obtain without actually hunting it. I hate to break it to you, but animals are food. And as I pointed out, which you com pletely ignored, even those nature respecting natives took trophies from their kills. And why not? The only other thing to do with those parts was to dispose of them.

Whether a cow raised in captivity or a deer hunted, is not the result the same? A dead animal for food. The trophy from the cow being a leather couch. As you are the expert on morality perhaps you can explain how slaughtering a confined animal is morally higher than hunting an animal. I've already asked about this morality and am still awaiting an answer.


I've already explained wildfires twice. Go back and read it again. The explanation of how firefighting has affected the mountain goats food supply is there. Twice.

As to hunters opposed to predators, well I've never heard of that. Ranchers yes. In many cases predators were hunted out of areas due to bounties on their hides from ranchers. You predators see a ranchers stock as food as well. Easy food at that. To hunters even the predators is prey. I can tell you that cougar is quite tastie. Bear has too strong a flavor for my taste but makes quite a good stew.


Catch and relsease huh? Quite moral of you. Bait a creature, drag it against it's will buy a pointed barbed hook, pull it out of the water so it's suffocating, take a good look at it to admire it, twist the barbed hook back out of it's mouth, and release the terrified creature again. Sounds somewhat like torture to me. But you didn't kill it, so it's moral torture I guess.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:04 PM

I like this guy less and less every day

Sermons about his religious beliefs and post pictures of hunting that he knows are offensive to some people


You don't like a guy who talks about his life and what he's doing on Twitter? Welcome to the real world - feel free to take off those rose-coloured glasses.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:18 PM

Actually I think you're the one clutching at straws here. You pick and chose through what I point out and ignore the actual points. And don't actually answer any questions at all.

You are an expert on what every hunter, past and present, thinks and feels when hunting.

Did my brothers have to hunt to survive? No. We did enjoy hunting though and enjoyed the meat from hunting that we couldn't obtain without actually hunting it. I hate to break it to you, but animals are food. And as I pointed out, which you com pletely ignored, even those nature respecting natives took trophies from their kills. And why not? The only other thing to do with those parts was to dispose of them.

Whether a cow raised in captivity or a deer hunted, is not the result the same? A dead animal for food. The trophy from the cow being a leather couch. As you are the expert on morality perhaps you can explain how slaughtering a confined animal is morally higher than hunting an animal. I've already asked about this morality and am still awaiting an answer.


I've already explained wildfires twice. Go back and read it again. The explanation of how firefighting has affected the mountain goats food supply is there. Twice.

As to hunters opposed to predators, well I've never heard of that. Ranchers yes. In many cases predators were hunted out of areas due to bounties on their hides from ranchers. You predators see a ranchers stock as food as well. Easy food at that. To hunters even the predators is prey. I can tell you that cougar is quite tastie. Bear has too strong a flavor for my taste but makes quite a good stew.

Catch and relsease huh? Quite moral of you. Bait a creature, drag it against it's will buy a pointed barbed hook, pull it out of the water so it's suffocating, take a good look at it to admire it, twist the barbed hook back out of it's mouth, and release the terrified creature again. Sounds somewhat like torture to me. But you didn't kill it, so it's moral torture I guess.


You're grasping at straws, yes. I have to sift through what you're posting because you tend to want to move away from the argument surrounding Booth, and go into moral equivalency of natives, and fishing, and cows at meat farms, and forest fires, and your bonding experiences with your brother, and lord know what else, because you can't actually defend the charge that Booth is a trophy hunter who kills animals for pleasure.

What you try to do is use false equivocations, anecdotes about your personal experience, conflate my argument with unrelated historical anecdotes of catch and release fishing that I did, though i'm not sure how that gets Booth off the 'hook' for what he does, and in order to think you're actually making any sound points you try to level the immoral playing field instead of actually addressing the argument regarding the immorality of trophy hunting.

If you want to discuss that, great, but the rest is essentially muddying the waters.

Let me get you back on track.

Booth is a trophy hunter. His primary motivation is to seek a trophy as it provides him with pleasure to kill many different animals in order to acquire different trophies. Eating meat is secondary and inconsequential to the argument about the immorality to his primary motivations.

Go ahead, argue on his behalf now.......or are you going to continue to internalize my argument of his motivations as somehow the motivation of every hunter ever or present who are motivated differently?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:34 PM

Common sense - most people use theirs when they know they're getting under people's skin....especially if some of those people are the very fans who buy tickets to see you play. The problem for me is that, in reviewing DB's Twitter feed, it seems that he enjoys the fact that he riles others up as much as the hunt itself. He boasts about losing followers every time he tweets and, at times, almost mocks those who do find the pictures disturbing vs considering their take on things (there are 2 sides to this). So it's not so much that he hunts, it's the attitude surrounding the whole thing.

So if you're truly a hunter because you love to hunt, eat what you kill and simply don't care what others think - fine. As stated, I have family members on this side of things. But to have a defiant, in your face attitude about it is something else. The ego does seem to come into play a bit and that's a contributing factor in assessing likeability.

Lay low, do your thing, post your pictures if you must but, if confronted, try to at least show a little empathy to those who are sensitive to these things. Personally, I don't see much of that....

David Booth owes us no apology but, in that, we also don't owe him our undying support (just because he's a Canuck). I've been labeled a bit of a homer (with good reason), but do base my support of the players on their overall attitude as well as their hockey skills. So this one's a struggle for me....

Hopefully, they'll get back on the ice soon and he'll light 'em up and give me reason to sway to the other side. But so far, not so much....

(and I hear there's a charity game in town....he's obviously got his aim down to a fine art in hunting....maybe time to get on the ice with his brothers and work on his on ice shot instead of proving his point out there, in the wild?)
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:10 PM

damn that eagle in that video totally owned that goat
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

Common sense - most people use theirs when they know they're getting under people's skin....especially if some of those people are the very fans who buy tickets to see you play. The problem for me is that, in reviewing DB's Twitter feed, it seems that he enjoys the fact that he riles others up as much as the hunt itself. He boasts about losing followers every time he tweets and, at times, almost mocks those who do find the pictures disturbing vs considering their take on things (there are 2 sides to this). So it's not so much that he hunts, it's the attitude surrounding the whole thing.

So if you're truly a hunter because you love to hunt, eat what you kill and simply don't care what others think - fine. As stated, I have family members on this side of things. But to have a defiant, in your face attitude about it is something else. The ego does seem to come into play a bit and that's a contributing factor in assessing likeability.

Lay low, do your thing, post your pictures if you must but, if confronted, try to at least show a little empathy to those who are sensitive to these things. Personally, I don't see much of that....

David Booth owes us no apology but, in that, we also don't owe him our undying support (just because he's a Canucks). I've been labeled a bit of a homer (with good reason), but do base my support of the players on their overall attitude as well as their hockey skills. So this one's a struggle for me....

Hopefully, they'll get back on the ice soon and he'll light 'em up and give me reason to sway to the other side. But so far, not so much....

(and I hear there's a charity game in town....he's obviously got his aim down to a fine art in hunting....maybe time to get on the ice with his brothers and work on his on ice shot instead of proving his point out there, in the wild?)


If it irks you, why do you follow him on twitter? Like I said, it's akin to Eklund.......you know what he's about, you know how he spends his time, you know what he's going to post.........so don't follow him, don't read threads about him hunting.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

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Edited by stawns, 16 October 2012 - 07:01 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

I think that's a flawed argument. There are many that are considered 'legal' that are still not right. And, for that matter, a lot of things that are not legal that should be. For example, it is not 'legal' for homosexuals to get married in many US states: does that make it wrong?

I think this kind of 'merciless beratement' is a good thing. He's been quite public with these killings, and some people are standing up and saying 'hey, I don't like that'. It's good. If he can't take that kind of criticism, I'm sure he'll stop posting pics.


That's ironic that you chose the issue of homosexual marriage being
illegal in the US since that is also a case of infringement on an individual's freedoms.
Are we not infringing on DB's freedoms by requesting that he does not trophy hunt
and/or that he does not post pictures of his hunts on his personal twitter feed that some
of us choose to follow? Should homosexuals abstain from their behavior because it
offends your grandfather/pastor?

But your intended point is valid: simply because something is legal does not make it moral. I
agree without any qualifications. But my point was not that trophy hunting
is inherently moral or super awesome. I agree that it's brutish, but I was simply commenting
that DB is a man of his heritage holding the values of his heritage (with trophy hunting/hunting in
general being an aspect of that) acting lawfully, and that we're expecting him to hold values that
are not his... our values (at least as far as it pertains to animal rights).

Merciless beratement serves no positive function in discussion except to tear down
your opposite number. If your desire is to hate on DB for his choices, then yes, merciless
beratement and the like is the best way to go about it. However, if your intent is to offer
up a reasonable case as to why trophy hunting should be abolished and DB (or others) should
find better (more moral) ways to entertain themselves in the off season, then a
good argument requires little or no beratement.

I think what many of us might find so offensive about trophy hunting (hunting where nourishment
is not the primary goal) is that it involves a human being getting enjoyment out of the suffering/death
of a living thing.

However, when we are so intent on belittling the individual in addition the deplorable action
then I think we betray a similar (certainly not equally immoral) characteristic of our own.
We get enjoyment out of tearing down the individual. He gets enjoyment out of the death
of an animal and in response, we get enjoyment out of his being berated/torn down in public.
Different levels of immorality? Yes, I think so. But both seem immoral nonetheless.
Surely, if we are so moral as to treat animals with the care they deserve then we can
do the same for a human being (and a Canuck for that matter :)).

As for us DB fans, (I am one) we need not defend trophy hunting in our attempts
to back up DB. Similarly, we don't need to defend Burrow's hair pulling or finger
biting in order to remain his fan. Our preference is that every player on our team
be like a Sedin or a Hamhuis, but they're not... and we still love them.
Additionally, I suspect DB is not the only Canuck or former beloved Canuck (Willie?)
who hunt animals for sport.
Perhaps we shouldn't treat him as if he is.

50/50 profit sharing eh? Let's hope for the best :bigblush: .
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:23 PM

Booth is a trophy hunter. His primary motivation is to seek a trophy as it provides him with pleasure to kill many different animals in order to acquire different trophies. Eating meat is secondary and inconsequential to the argument about the immorality to his primary motivations.


So why is hunting for pleasure immoral exactly? Booth isn't wasting the meat. "Because he could get food elsewhere" seems like a pretty arbitrary standard. "Because the animal feels pain" is just projecting your own emotions onto the animal and sympathizing with them--emotions don't make logical arguments.

I'd love it if you could give us a nice, solid logical argument backing up your main assertion since you've repeated it several times under the presumption it's true. Appealing to emotionalism isn't going to cut it.
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