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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:32 PM

Sounds fair to me! I want hockey!

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Offer consists of:
  • a 50/50 rev. split
  • four year ELC
  • maximum five year contracts
  • UFA @ age 28/ or eight years in
  • A full 82 game season, starting Nov. second
  • The offer lasts six years


NHL makes 50-50 revenue split offer
Tuesday, 10.16.2012 / 1:38 PM NHL.com

TORONTO -- The NHL made a proposal for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement on Tuesday, one designed to allow an 82-game schedule for 2012-13 NHL season to take place.

"We very much want to preserve a full 82-game season and in that light we made a proposal, an offer really," Commissioner Gary Bettman said. "It is our best shot at preserving an 82-game regular season and [Stanley Cup] Playoffs."

Commissioner Bettman announced the proposal after he and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly held an hour-long meeting with the National Hockey League Players' Association Executive Director Don Fehr and Special Counsel Steve Fehr at the Union office.

Bettman said that the offer, which splits hockey-related revenue at 50-50, is contingent upon a full season being played and suggested that the season could begin Nov. 2. He also said the League is not asking for salary rollbacks from the players.

"We're focused on getting the season started on Nov. 2. That's what this offer was about."

"Gary indicated to me and I assume he indicated to you that they would like to get a full 82-game season in," Don Fehr said. "We, of course, share that view and would like to get a full 82-game season in. And, so, what our hope is that after we review this that there will be a feeling on the players' side that this is a proposal from which we can negotiate and try to reach a conclusion. But, we are not in a position to make any comments about it beyond that at this point."


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:36 PM

If the players dont accept this, then I'll completely loose support of the NHLPA's side. Thats more than they deserve.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:36 PM

I don't want to get my hopes up but just the thought of hockey perhaps being played this year excites me, because I already had myself convinced that this season was a write-off.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:41 PM

I actually forgot what it feels like to be watching games every other day. Right now feels as if I never followed hockey! I would love for it to start so I can remember my real life. But if it don't I would feel like i lost nothing.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:42 PM

Wow, they better accept.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

Who wants to bet the word "preserve" idea of the offer being contingent on a full season being played idea came from those focus groups? The NHL locked the players out but now want to brand themselves as the hero's who are trying to bring hockey back. Frankly in my opinion both sides are greedy and I'm pretty sick of it.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

This is more progress than what 04-05 was like. If the PA doesn't take this, then they just lost a ton of fan support.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:50 PM

Offer consists of:
  • a 50/50 rev. split (100% fair)
  • 4 year ELC
  • maximum 5 year contracts
  • UFA @ age 28/ or 8 years in
  • A full 82 game season, starting Nov. 2nd
The offer last 6 years (I think)
I say take this as the template, and make minor tweaks if necessary.

Edited by Tystick, 16 October 2012 - 12:53 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

Offer consists of:

  • a 50/50 rev. split (100% fair)
  • 4 year ELC
  • maximum 5 year contracts
  • UFA @ age 28/ or 8 years in
  • A full 82 game season, starting Nov. 2nd
The offer last 6 years (I think)
I say take this as the template, and make minor tweaks if necessary.


Thanks for the run down. If the PA were to concede 1 of ELC, UFA or contract length which do you think it will be? I highly doubt they would accept the proposed changes to all 3.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:12 PM

No questions asked, the NHLPA cannot turn it down. They'll instantly become the villains. The downsides in the offer - UFA pushed another year, 5 year contract caps - are a small, small price to pay. Ask any retired NHLer who went through the last lockout. There is absolutely no financial offer that will be made that can ever compensate for the year of lost wages. The lucky few who are making big bank to play overseas are offset by the overwhelming majority who just want to play some goddamn hockey already. It has to be signed. Has to. There's just no reasonable alternative. They're giving you what you want. If you turn it down, or try to re-negotiate it, you'll seem greedy. Take it, for the love of God.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:14 PM

I don't think the NHLPA will take the offer as is. They'll make some changes. I'm thinking they'll ask for max 7yr contracts (not unreasonable) and will want to keep UFA to age 27yrs or 8yrs in (which ever comes first).

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:20 PM

I have a feeling that if they don't accept this, there won't be an NHL season. Not even by January.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:24 PM

Take it, you chump millionaires.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

I suspect this is what the league wanted all along. The players were at 57%, the league opend with 43%, the middle is 50/50. If all current contracts are grandfathered, which I suspect, then the players can only go back with tweeking.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:29 PM

it depends on whether the definition of HRR changes or remains the same as the last contract. if it became more restrictive then a 50/50 split would no longer be a 50/50 split, (which, under the current HRR definition, it wouldn't be 50/50 anyway.)

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:33 PM

At this point they should take a fair deal, just so they can get some hockey going, and you can't get more fair than 50-50...

I just wish they could have offered this deal 2-3 months ago, so there would be hockey today. They just wasted so much time and money because they are just plain stupid...

Which brings me to my next question: Why are people stupid? I mean, it's so easy to not be stupid...

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:40 PM

ZOMG HOCKEY!!

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:43 PM

I don't think the NHLPA will take the offer as is. They'll make some changes. I'm thinking they'll ask for max 7yr contracts (not unreasonable) and will want to keep UFA to age 27yrs or 8yrs in (which ever comes first).


Problem though. Contract law, Offer and Acceptance. Now that the Owners have made an offer, the NHLPA has two options: Accept, or counter. If they counter, at all, with even the slighest, tiniest change, it's considered a countered offer. Once an offer is countered, the original offer isn't valid. This means that, for example, if you were selling me a car, and you offered it to me for $2,000, and I knew it was worth $5,000, and I took you for a moron who and said 'well, that's a lot, how about $1800' and you said no, under no circumstances would you be legally obligated to honour your original offer of $2000. An offer countered is an offer rejected, and the Owners will immediately turn around, go to the press and say 'we met the players half way, and they said it wasn't enough.' and the NHLPA becomes the bad guys. It doesn't even matter if the NHLPA turns around and offers them the exact same deal tomorrow.

As far as contract law is concerned, if the Players counter with 'Give us 7 year terms, please', then the Owners have every right to say 'Guess what. 44%, and a 10% salary rollback. Take it or leave it' and there's nothing they could do to force the Owners to put their offer back on the table. There isn't an out for the NHLPA where they aren't villains if they counter and the Owners walk away. This is a fair offer. You take the fair offer, especially when all you have to lose is face. They never get a better offer. Never.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:03 PM

TAKE IT!!!
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:31 PM

Take it, the players said they wanted 50/50. UFA until you are 28 is reasonable and I love the 5 year deals proposal. Yes 7 years could be better, but no gm or fan wants a redden or gomez contract in their hands.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:47 PM

Problem though. Contract law, Offer and Acceptance. Now that the Owners have made an offer, the NHLPA has two options: Accept, or counter. If they counter, at all, with even the slighest, tiniest change, it's considered a countered offer. Once an offer is countered, the original offer isn't valid. This means that, for example, if you were selling me a car, and you offered it to me for $2,000, and I knew it was worth $5,000, and I took you for a moron who and said 'well, that's a lot, how about $1800' and you said no, under no circumstances would you be legally obligated to honour your original offer of $2000. An offer countered is an offer rejected, and the Owners will immediately turn around, go to the press and say 'we met the players half way, and they said it wasn't enough.' and the NHLPA becomes the bad guys. It doesn't even matter if the NHLPA turns around and offers them the exact same deal tomorrow.

As far as contract law is concerned, if the Players counter with 'Give us 7 year terms, please', then the Owners have every right to say 'Guess what. 44%, and a 10% salary rollback. Take it or leave it' and there's nothing they could do to force the Owners to put their offer back on the table. There isn't an out for the NHLPA where they aren't villains if they counter and the Owners walk away. This is a fair offer. You take the fair offer, especially when all you have to lose is face. They never get a better offer. Never.


I'm speculating a counter-offer then.

IF NHLPA puts a counter-offer very similar to the NHL offer but some minor changes (ie. UFA 27yr and or 7yr contract length) and NHL rejects...then who's the villian this time? They both lose face if a deal doesn't get done.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

it depends on whether the definition of HRR changes or remains the same as the last contract. if it became more restrictive then a 50/50 split would no longer be a 50/50 split, (which, under the current HRR definition, it wouldn't be 50/50 anyway.)


Your exactly right. we'll just have to wait an see how fair this "fair" deal is..

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:58 PM

Do the nhlpa vote on this now? Just the representatives or all the players? Does Schneider come to the guys including weise. Ebbert etc and say what do u want me do?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:58 PM

I think the players will take it, or make minor changes, they don't want to lose a years worth of salary....

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:03 PM

take the deal, fire up the zamboni's and let's get this show on the road.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

please take it god i need hockey
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

I'm speculating a counter-offer then.

IF NHLPA puts a counter-offer very similar to the NHL offer but some minor changes (ie. UFA 27yr and or 7yr contract length) and NHL rejects...then who's the villian this time? They both lose face if a deal doesn't get done.


The problem is that the Owners are coming to the Players with what the Players asked for. With minor changes. The Players making a counter of any kind makes them look greedy, because this is, by all rights and by every opinion expressed since the offer came out, an extremely reasonable offer. It's such a reasonable offer that there's not enough places you could argue that it would be worth fighting for. Which means that the Players would be rejecting an offer, knowing it can't get significantly better, and postponing the season further. To try and tweak an offer that very, very few fans or media writers seem to oppose. If there isn't NHL hockey on November 3rd, then the NHLPA has done something unreasonable and they should be vilified.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:21 PM

Watching the videos on tsn re player reactions they don't seem too enthusiastic, especially the Canucks, 50% of what is the issue that keeps being mentioned. Hopefully both sides agree on hrr

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:24 PM

Read on Toronto Star, that players with NHL contracts in the AHL would count under the salary cap so you can't dump players like Redden or Gomez in the AHL. (one on twitter is assuming it is only for 1 way deals but not confirmed)

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:24 PM

Problem though. Contract law, Offer and Acceptance. Now that the Owners have made an offer, the NHLPA has two options: Accept, or counter. If they counter, at all, with even the slighest, tiniest change, it's considered a countered offer. Once an offer is countered, the original offer isn't valid. This means that, for example, if you were selling me a car, and you offered it to me for $2,000, and I knew it was worth $5,000, and I took you for a moron who and said 'well, that's a lot, how about $1800' and you said no, under no circumstances would you be legally obligated to honour your original offer of $2000. An offer countered is an offer rejected, and the Owners will immediately turn around, go to the press and say 'we met the players half way, and they said it wasn't enough.' and the NHLPA becomes the bad guys. It doesn't even matter if the NHLPA turns around and offers them the exact same deal tomorrow.

As far as contract law is concerned, if the Players counter with 'Give us 7 year terms, please', then the Owners have every right to say 'Guess what. 44%, and a 10% salary rollback. Take it or leave it' and there's nothing they could do to force the Owners to put their offer back on the table. There isn't an out for the NHLPA where they aren't villains if they counter and the Owners walk away. This is a fair offer. You take the fair offer, especially when all you have to lose is face. They never get a better offer. Never.


This is all true in a strictly legal sense, but it is not at all how CBA negotiations play out in real life. In all probability there will be a week or so of consistent, intense negotiations, after which a deal that looks a lot like this will be reached.




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