Sharpshooter Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I said in the other thread that the PA won't accept this deal as it stands right now, but serious negotiations will be happening and within the next week they should agree to a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxiebrown Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 No, it is. That's why this is an Offer, and not negotiations. They can sit down all day over coffee and donuts and talk about where they'd like to be and it isn't legally binding. This is a contract offer. The second the NHLPA asks for anything else, it's a counter-offer. This is also literally how all negotiations with all Unions work all the time everywhere. Negotiations to understand positions and where the other party is willing to go, and then an official offer. If the NHLPA says boo, the Owners go to the press. I'm not trying to talk down or be a douche, and I will hold off until this is confirmed, and come eat crow if I'm wrong, but there are only 2 conclusions here. The NHLPA unilaterally agrees to accept it. Or they reject the offer. There won't be words like 'sat down to negotiate' in the heading. The word they'll use is reject, and that offer will no longer be available, and in a few days the NHLPA will file a formal counter-proposal. There's not a new offer given every day during these things. There's a lot of talk, and then lawyers draft up these complicated 200 page proposals only once they understand what they can and can not get away with. It's either Accept or Reject, is all I'm saying. There won't be a situation where this is amended and signed within a few hours. It's completely impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleman26 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Well, that's totally correct. But only because until today, the position has been 'Players won't accept rollbacks, players want more HRR' and the Owners saying they wanted to rollback salaries again is completely unreasonable. Now the Owners have offered the Players precisely what their sticking points are. No Rollback. 50/50 split. The Owners have been unreasonable, up until today. That's the point i'm more trying to make. I'm not on the Owners side, and i think that signing NHL players to lengthy contracts before the lockout, knowing that you'll be going to the negotiating table asking for some of that money back is wrong. But you also can't expect the Owners to walk in and give up everything. The give is no salary rollbacks and a better split. The take is shorter terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleman26 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 The legalities of what constitutes an offer or a counteroffer within that process is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowelPower12 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The owners are geniuses offering this deal, it's win-win for them If the players accept it then hockey starts again and they'll be getting 50% instead of 43% If the players reject it (which would be idiotic) then everyone will turn on them and be 100% in favour of the owners, suck it up and accept this deal NHLPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I think that this all hinges on what the definition of HRR is and whether 50/50 really is 50/50. If it is, than all the other concessions that the players have to make are fine and the PA should accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The NHL was really smart with the timing of this one. Making this contingent on having an 82 game season puts all the pressure on the PA now. Bettman may be an evil little businessman, but he's damn good at being one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
î мцšт вяздк чфµ Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 i am a member of the NHLFA and i agree to these terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaches Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 That's a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleman26 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 NHLPA has announced they will counter offer in 24-48 hours. I was told about this, and I thought Dreger was the source. Can't find it now, so, until I can it's not news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 That's a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biznasty Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 NHLPA pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I think the NHLPA will have a counter offer of 27 years of age to become UFA and 6 years max on contract. The players have to except it else bring on the hate mail. Would there be pre-season games? I'd think there would have to be atleast a few. The first two weeks of the season will be really sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleman26 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I don't think I'm alone in saying that, if this goes bad, I'm pretty much ready to quit with the NHL. If this goes so bad that they ruin the chance of a season, I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 NHLPA has announced they will counter offer in 24-48 hours. Because you don't sit down and say 'change this and it's cool' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER SINGH Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 If this doesn't work out, Fehr should get fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleman26 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 If anything was put in to be removed, it's this "Not only is NHL proposing 5 year limit on player contract length, it's proposing the yearly salary variance can't be more than 5 per cent." I imagine that the 5% variance will be budgeworthy on the Owner POV, assuming that their goal is to actually strike a deal and just get hockey going. It turns out the players are meeting in the next 24-48 to discuss it,and it's expected they'll counter (per Dreger), but nothing guaranteed. It was actually silly of me to expect that they'd had a thorough meeting on it so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombastik der Teutone Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 thats what i have said since the beginning of this BS 50/50 would be a good solution for both sides...if the players dont want this...we finally know who´s greedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Just do it so we can get back to following our favorite sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Lu will stay and Schneider will be traded if part of existing contracts proposal sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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