CHodgson9 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 People (scalpers) who identified that there was an arbitrage opportunity between the cost of tickets and fans willingness to pay (especially given the small venue), are perfectly within their legal rights to do so. If a man who sold 4 tickets at a profit of $100/ticket gets to pay half his family's rent by scalping, after losing his job, I would appreciate this persons resolve to make money. The qualms people have with this profiteering is absurd, because in a free market system, anyone could have bought and scalped those tickets, and given all the monies to charity. Whether you choose to agree with the outcome, permitting the system in one scenario and forbidding it in another scenario is not equitable. The charity gets its money either way, but if Bieksa's Buddies had a good marketing/strategy person, they would have determined a higher ticket sales price and raised more money for the charity, rather than having any portion go to opportunists. In an economically efficient system, if there are 5000 seats at a venue, and the top 5000 people are willing to pay exactly $100/ticket, the total economic value is $500,000. If they priced it at $20/ticket ($100,000) in value, there is still $400,000 of economic value to be realized. If that gets realized by scalpers, or charities, or players, it's good to have the economic activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 We aren't Americans... we're not capitalists. Just because you hear the word on TV doesn't make it true. Canadians are socialists. Our country morals are baed on the nationalism introduced in the last century including healthcare, social programs and subsidies of many varieties. In general, our entire system is based on regulating profits and providing handouts to whomever b!tches loudest. For me the reason that this Scalping issue is annoying is that we all work so hard to pay into a system that mostly screws us while we aren't using it and when we need it is barely enough to be considered help. So when some bunch of d-bags decides to take a morally good event that supports people in need and tarnish its integrity with one more way for people to screw the system... it stikes a chord. We all know the Canucks organization is a business out to make a proffit and paying markup is already part of the deal... we make a decision about how much we are willing to pay and go forward from there. If I want to go to a charitable event and support the charity the VALUE matters... for example if I knew only $15ish of my $100 dollar ticket price was going to charity while the remainder was going to costs not associated with the charity whatsoever, there is no way I would support that. From KB's perspective he is trying to support a charitable cause and people are taking advantage of that. If people were willing to pay $100 for a seat he could have sold for that price to start with and donated to several organizations in need. The whole thing stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stexx Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I think it's morally wrong to profit off of a charity event. It's basically making money off donations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Whisht Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I don't see any problem here. As others pointed out, the charity got the money they asked for. If a legit ticket owner wishes to sell their tickets, they can do so at whatever price someone is willing to pay. It's not for anyone else to decide what they should accept for their own property. No one is getting hurt here. No one hurt the charity. Certainly if there were still tickets left at face value, no one would buy one for 100.00. No one will pay 100. if they don't feel it's worth it, or can't afford it. If no one buys them, then I guess the market wouldn't bear a 100. ticket for the event. There's also no reason to think the seller should donate the money. They already 'donated' by buying the ticket to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 We'll fix em! Anyone got details to contact Eliot Ness??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbal23 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Interesting, it's definitely easy to call out certain shady, yet legal, ways of income when you make a legit NHL salary. Most people aren't going because it's a charity game, they're going because the players are fighting to make 5 mill a year vs 4.7 and this is the closest we're gonna get to a canucks game until the lockout ends. Not something I would do to begin with, but maybe if scalpers donated a portion of their profit that would be suitable. Ps: nucks' ticket prices suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotelierhockey Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Who's playing in the game???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 "Morals? We don't need no stinking morals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 You guys supporting scalpers are missing the point....scalpers go purchase a number of tickets with no intention of using them except to profit. Those tickets would have been available at a modest price to those wanting to go - they now become unavailable, unless you're someone with $$ who can pay through the nose for them. So to say "it doesn't hurt anyone" is incorrect - it hurts the people who would have had those tickets at face value and the price they were set at. I saw some young (diehard) hockey fans that I know at the door, trying to buy tickets (and the argument they waited too long doesn't apply, as they tried desperately on the day they went on sale). They would have been unable to attend because tickets sold out - some of which were scalpers gobbling them up. (FTR, they needed more volunteers selling 50/50, so they did get in afterall). Families with children can't always afford multiple tickets to regular games but, in these events that are priced more reasonably, it becomes an opportunity to do so. Why should scalpers ruin that opportunity? And I hope these scalpers are reporting this "income" on their taxes? I pay taxes on money I've "earned" so why shouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I agree that scalpers taking opportunities from normal people sucks but that's how we live here in Canada. Get as much as you can and screw everyone else. LOL at Bieksa calling people out. Anyone that makes over 4 million dollars a frickin year playing hockey shouldn't be lecturing anyone regarding money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazin! Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I agree that scalpers taking opportunities from normal people sucks but that's how we live here in Canada. Get as much as you can and screw everyone else. LOL at Bieksa calling people out. Anyone that makes over 4 million dollars a frickin year playing hockey shouldn't be lecturing anyone regarding money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Free market capitalism is the answer The charity gets it's money either way People willing to pay more for the ticket help the scalper who is trying to make a living This is economics In terms of morals, it's not the best of ideas, but it doesn't hurt the charity one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 We aren't Americans... we're not capitalists. Just because you hear the word on TV doesn't make it true. Canadians are socialists. Our country morals are baed on the nationalism introduced in the last century including healthcare, social programs and subsidies of many varieties. In general, our entire system is based on regulating profits and providing handouts to whomever b!tches loudest. For me the reason that this Scalping issue is annoying is that we all work so hard to pay into a system that mostly screws us while we aren't using it and when we need it is barely enough to be considered help. So when some bunch of d-bags decides to take a morally good event that supports people in need and tarnish its integrity with one more way for people to screw the system... it stikes a chord. We all know the Canucks organization is a business out to make a proffit and paying markup is already part of the deal... we make a decision about how much we are willing to pay and go forward from there. If I want to go to a charitable event and support the charity the VALUE matters... for example if I knew only $15ish of my $100 dollar ticket price was going to charity while the remainder was going to costs not associated with the charity whatsoever, there is no way I would support that. From KB's perspective he is trying to support a charitable cause and people are taking advantage of that. If people were willing to pay $100 for a seat he could have sold for that price to start with and donated to several organizations in need. The whole thing stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 You gotta be a jerk to scalp tickets for a charity game. I don't see why anybody would bother justifying their actions if they do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I agree that scalpers taking opportunities from normal people sucks but that's how we live here in Canada. Get as much as you can and screw everyone else. LOL at Bieksa calling people out. Anyone that makes over 4 million dollars a frickin year playing hockey shouldn't be lecturing anyone regarding money. He actually does EARN that money you know. It's a great gig, but doesn't come without sacrifices. These guys have to be away during milestones in their children's lives, risk injury that could have an impact on them years later (concussions anyone), etc. Don't make it sound like they get handed their paycheques for nothing...they work for them. Scalpers go buy tickets with set prices then resell them on street corners. Hardly compareable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey Fever Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 If people aren't willing to pay, the scalper ceases to exist. Hard for them to be jerks without enablers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The simple solution would have been to print names on the tickets, and have entrance accompanied with a piece of ID (school ID, driver's license, whatever). Of course, this complicates the issue of some people legitimately not being able to go and passing it off to their friends/family... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Rich people CAN have morals ya know? I dislike the idea of profiting on a charity event. At the end of the day people are going to do what they have to do to make a living. If you've seen the scalpers outside of Rogers Arena before game day they are quite the shady group, and I imagine the ones outside of UBC were the same. It's the same type of people who will find out the players' hotels on the road/wait at YVR or UBC/after games to get autographs and then consequently re-sell them. I wonder if they even know a thing about the sport. And how about UBC? I'm starting to dislike my school more and more. But, who else would pay for the extremely necessary (and endless) construction going on, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonz Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Speaking of Bieksa, he sat beside me today at lunch in Yaletown. I guess that's benefit of no Hockey can spend time with his kid and wife. Cute kid, I can see he's a good dad. I didn't want bother him as he was with his family. Although at one point, the wife took the kid to the washroom and he was alone. Still, I find it rude to bug players during the off time. I've bumped into few Canucks over the years. And yes, Bieska is a nice person. My friend used to see him in the same building and chatted with him few times and said he was a nice guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanIsleNuckFan Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 You gotta be a jerk to scalp tickets for a charity game. I don't see why anybody would bother justifying their actions if they do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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