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#31 kazin!

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 11:04 AM

I agree that scalpers taking opportunities from normal people sucks but that's how we live here in Canada. Get as much as you can and screw everyone else. LOL at Bieksa calling people out. Anyone that makes over 4 million dollars a frickin year playing hockey shouldn't be lecturing anyone regarding money.


Rich people CAN have morals ya know?

I dislike the idea of profiting on a charity event. At the end of the day people are going to do what they have to do to make a living. If you've seen the scalpers outside of Rogers Arena before game day they are quite the shady group, and I imagine the ones outside of UBC were the same. It's the same type of people who will find out the players' hotels on the road/wait at YVR or UBC/after games to get autographs and then consequently re-sell them. I wonder if they even know a thing about the sport.

And how about UBC? I'm starting to dislike my school more and more. But, who else would pay for the extremely necessary (and endless) construction going on, right?
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 12:27 PM

Free market capitalism is the answer

The charity gets it's money either way

People willing to pay more for the ticket help the scalper who is trying to make a living

This is economics

In terms of morals, it's not the best of ideas, but it doesn't hurt the charity one bit.


100% correct.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 12:38 PM

We aren't Americans... we're not capitalists. Just because you hear the word on TV doesn't make it true. Canadians are socialists. Our country morals are baed on the nationalism introduced in the last century including healthcare, social programs and subsidies of many varieties. In general, our entire system is based on regulating profits and providing handouts to whomever b!tches loudest. For me the reason that this Scalping issue is annoying is that we all work so hard to pay into a system that mostly screws us while we aren't using it and when we need it is barely enough to be considered help. So when some bunch of d-bags decides to take a morally good event that supports people in need and tarnish its integrity with one more way for people to screw the system... it stikes a chord. We all know the Canucks organization is a business out to make a proffit and paying markup is already part of the deal... we make a decision about how much we are willing to pay and go forward from there. If I want to go to a charitable event and support the charity the VALUE matters... for example if I knew only $15ish of my $100 dollar ticket price was going to charity while the remainder was going to costs not associated with the charity whatsoever, there is no way I would support that. From KB's perspective he is trying to support a charitable cause and people are taking advantage of that. If people were willing to pay $100 for a seat he could have sold for that price to start with and donated to several organizations in need. The whole thing stinks.


Sounds like you didn't get a ticket.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

You gotta be a jerk to scalp tickets for a charity game. I don't see why anybody would bother justifying their actions if they do so.


If people aren't willing to pay, the scalper ceases to exist. Hard for them to be jerks without enablers.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:19 PM

I agree that scalpers taking opportunities from normal people sucks but that's how we live here in Canada. Get as much as you can and screw everyone else. LOL at Bieksa calling people out. Anyone that makes over 4 million dollars a frickin year playing hockey shouldn't be lecturing anyone regarding money.


He actually does EARN that money you know. It's a great gig, but doesn't come without sacrifices. These guys have to be away during milestones in their children's lives, risk injury that could have an impact on them years later (concussions anyone), etc. Don't make it sound like they get handed their paycheques for nothing...they work for them.

Scalpers go buy tickets with set prices then resell them on street corners. Hardly compareable.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 05:11 PM

If people aren't willing to pay, the scalper ceases to exist. Hard for them to be jerks without enablers.


Your so right it is about the enablers, just like we enable the NHL to keep shafting us on ticket prices.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:29 AM

The simple solution would have been to print names on the tickets, and have entrance accompanied with a piece of ID (school ID, driver's license, whatever).

Of course, this complicates the issue of some people legitimately not being able to go and passing it off to their friends/family...

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:56 AM

Rich people CAN have morals ya know?

I dislike the idea of profiting on a charity event. At the end of the day people are going to do what they have to do to make a living. If you've seen the scalpers outside of Rogers Arena before game day they are quite the shady group, and I imagine the ones outside of UBC were the same. It's the same type of people who will find out the players' hotels on the road/wait at YVR or UBC/after games to get autographs and then consequently re-sell them. I wonder if they even know a thing about the sport.

And how about UBC? I'm starting to dislike my school more and more. But, who else would pay for the extremely necessary (and endless) construction going on, right?


He actually does EARN that money you know. It's a great gig, but doesn't come without sacrifices. These guys have to be away during milestones in their children's lives, risk injury that could have an impact on them years later (concussions anyone), etc. Don't make it sound like they get handed their paycheques for nothing...they work for them.

Scalpers go buy tickets with set prices then resell them on street corners. Hardly compareable.


If you mean EARN as in he has a legitimate legal job which pays him that money than yes that is true. But in reality I find it hard to believe that he deserves (should EARN) 100 times more money than the average working Joe in Canada who puts in a solid 40-60 hour work week. A lot of these average people are very intelligent and greatly influence the lives of those around them as well. Pretty easy to have financial morals when you have no financial concerns.

I like Juice, and I don't have a problem with rewarding people for a job well done but I just don't think he is qualified to discuss making a profit of $80 when he could easily lose my entire yearly salary 5 times over and barely blink an eye. Don't think he understands what that $80 could for some people or what motivates people.

I agree that the practice itself is in itself somewhat deplorable but I find it a lot easier to relate to someone like you whom I feel can understand how tough the moral choice can be for those who could use the money. Unless you also make $4.6 mil per Deb .. then I digress. B) Also, charging a family $400+ to watch a hockey game is a little immoral in my books but I don't see Juice speaking out about that.. So I agree with the issues you've presented on scalping but I just don't think Juice's opinion is very relevant even though he is a super nice guy who cares for others.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

Speaking of Bieksa, he sat beside me today at lunch in Yaletown. I guess that's benefit of no Hockey can spend time with his kid and wife. Cute kid, I can see he's a good dad. I didn't want bother him as he was with his family. Although at one point, the wife took the kid to the washroom and he was alone. Still, I find it rude to bug players during the off time. I've bumped into few Canucks over the years. And yes, Bieska is a nice person. My friend used to see him in the same building and chatted with him few times and said he was a nice guy.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 03:18 PM

You gotta be a jerk to scalp tickets for a charity game. I don't see why anybody would bother justifying their actions if they do so.


Lol, why? If you're scalping the tickets, they have been purchased and the amount of money the charity had been asking for had been donated... It sounds like Bieksa is peeved that he didn't charge more when he found out people were paying $100 for this game.. He probably thought, hey $20 is more than enough, it's not like it'll be very competative, and then people are shelling out the dough and he thinks, wait a minute, damn, I could have got x for them, well then let's publicly criticize these people who got x fr them.. If you want to criticize the scalpels for being.... Lol.. Immoral, let's look at every other job on the freking planet where an individual is not actually producing or building anything, it's all markup for the middle man... At least this game is getting attention, and there is a large amount of money going to charity for it.. Isn't that the point? So then what's bieksa really peeved about then, that's what I am speculating.

And since you think so strongly about it, why don't you send the charity $10 of your own money, do you even know which charity it is?

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

He actually does EARN that money you know. It's a great gig, but doesn't come without sacrifices. These guys have to be away during milestones in their children's lives, risk injury that could have an impact on them years later (concussions anyone), etc. Don't make it sound like they get handed their paycheques for nothing...they work for them.

Scalpers go buy tickets with set prices then resell them on street corners. Hardly compareable.


I respect your opinion, but it can be just as hard for the scalper that buys 50 tickets, and doesn't sell enough to make his/her money back. It's prob not easy standing out there on a tough night, especially if that's what you do for a living. They aren't hurting anyone, and the beauty of this country/free world is that you can use your brain to make more money than you ever would working a 9-5 job, but it's a lot riskier. It's pretty shallow to stand at one end of the pool and call out the other based on personal opinion and a lack of understanding. (not saying that's what you're doing, but most of the comments on here are like that)

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 02:40 PM

scalpers are all scummy douchebags, the ones outside the arena for the charity game looked like the type that still live with their parents

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 03:15 PM

scalpers are all scummy douchebags, the ones outside the arena for the charity game looked like the type that still live with their parents


And what on earth would give you the right to make such a presumptive blanket statement like that?

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 05:57 PM

Guess what? Every store you buy something from buys that item for less than they sell them for so they can turn a profit. I guess everyone is a terrible person then
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