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#481 TmanVan

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 11:52 AM

I was so happy to have hockey on my TV. What awesome games.

Kassian has been great, and King of the BS is no where to be found.

That's two birds with one stone.


:lol: What happened to him pumping Schroeder's tires saying he was clearly the prospect to watch, and that Kassian was slow, useless, overrated, and has hands of stone...... FIVE MINUTES into the season opener. Haven't heard much from him since then.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:01 PM

Kassians looking more like Bertuzzi everyday, stoked......................... and he's only like 21? Bert broke out when he was 25.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:10 PM

/\/\ Point. All is about as expected from the prospects, but I just don’t know about Schroeder. That Lou for Kadri plus trade--one which If I were Gillis I would have told Burke to go climb a tree earlier--is maybe worth thinking about now.

For skilled forwards, you can tell the guys who are going to the show by the amount of chances they generate, maybe even more than putting up points. Taking the puck inside the danger zone and reading the play and being open for a pass, consistently. Guys like Kassian, and Beartchi and Horak for the Flames, have it in spades, while others are still looking to find their way.

On a more positive note, having a physically imposing alpha of a team is refreshing. Though Wolves have tons of undersized players, they don’t suffer for it any since Kassian, Desbiens, Pinizzotto, and Mallet own the boards and handle their police duties with enthusiasm. It is nice to have guys in the system that have this down instinctually and don’t need to be prodded.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:14 PM

Man, it is great to see Kassian play such a dominant game. He really does look like Big Bert out there, though not quite so big and with more speed (it balances out).

Lack, can't blame him. Made some big saves, nothing he could really do (though that 1st goal...we may have some great goalies in the organization but not one of them can handle the puck :lol:).

Not giving up hope on Schroeder by any means, it's only 5 games, but he sure isn't doing much or producing much.

Mallet had a good game! That was pretty awesome to see him catch that guy in the trolley tracks then feed knuckle sandwiches! As I saw it I got so much more locked into the game. It hit me that I was really watching hockey, and it was awesome. I bet he could be on the Canucks in a year or two.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:24 PM

So i don't exactly follow the Wolves but did catch the game yesterday and either Schroder was having a really bad game or all this improvement the Canucks brass talks about in his game is just that; talking up your prospect. He did not look like a guy anywhere close to winning a spot with this team. Maybe there is some truth to those Bozak rumors.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:27 PM

I find that entirely believable based off of how he plays.


No love for the header pass to himself? the guy plays like a dbag, but i got to admit he stood out in this game. He is pretty damn fast for a big guy and seems like he's willing to throw down with anyone
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:33 PM

Found this on the youtube.




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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:44 PM

So i don't exactly follow the Wolves but did catch the game yesterday and either Schroder was having a really bad game or all this improvement the Canucks brass talks about in his game is just that; talking up your prospect. He did not look like a guy anywhere close to winning a spot with this team. Maybe there is some truth to those Bozak rumors.


Its understandable why Gillis would target Bozak, he slots in as 3rd line center perfectly, and also has shown that he can move into the top 6 if needed temporalily. He's definelty a much "safer" option than Kadri or Colborne if we're looking for a center from Toronto.

The only problem is he isn't exactly a prospect anymore so what you see is pretty much what you get. A 40 point third liner who is only under contract for 1 more year shouldn't be the centerpiece of a Luongo trade so I would hope a high pick, or another prospect would be coming along with him.

As for Schroeder, the Canucks might have to take the Detroit approach with him and develope him longer. If he breaks into the NHL at 24 than so be it. That's alot better than calling him a bust because he's not NHL ready a couple years after being drafted. Unfortunately cdc will be throwing him under the bus and saying he's a useless plug if he's in the AHL for a few more years.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

Mallet really pounded that guy, felt bad for him after seeing his face in the post game interviews :shock:

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:54 PM

Its understandable why Gillis would target Bozak, he slots in as 3rd line center perfectly, and also has shown that he can move into the top 6 if needed temporalily. He's definelty a much "safer" option than Kadri or Colborne if we're looking for a center from Toronto.

The only problem is he isn't exactly a prospect anymore so what you see is pretty much what you get. A 40 point third liner who is only under contract for 1 more year shouldn't be the centerpiece of a Luongo trade so I would hope a high pick, or another prospect would be coming along with him.

As for Schroeder, the Canucks might have to take the Detroit approach with him and develope him longer. If he breaks into the NHL at 24 than so be it. That's alot better than calling him a bust because he's not NHL ready a couple years after being drafted. Unfortunately cdc will be throwing him under the bus and saying he's a useless plug if he's in the AHL for a few more years.


I wonder if something like

Luongo + Schroeder+ Sauve

for

Bozak, Kadri, Franson

Kadri really helps our prospect pool especially after losing Hodgson and Schroeder not doing much, Franson could turn out to be a solid top 4 with proper development, has good offensive ability and shot. Bozak plays 3rd line.

TO gets an elite goalie, Schroeders a work in progress kinda of like Kadri and Sauve who could turn out to be a bottom pairing defenseman.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:57 PM

Its understandable why Gillis would target Bozak, he slots in as 3rd line center perfectly, and also has shown that he can move into the top 6 if needed temporalily. He's definelty a much "safer" option than Kadri or Colborne if we're looking for a center from Toronto.

The only problem is he isn't exactly a prospect anymore so what you see is pretty much what you get. A 40 point third liner who is only under contract for 1 more year shouldn't be the centerpiece of a Luongo trade so I would hope a high pick, or another prospect would be coming along with him.

As for Schroeder, the Canucks might have to take the Detroit approach with him and develope him longer. If he breaks into the NHL at 24 than so be it. That's alot better than calling him a bust because he's not NHL ready a couple years after being drafted. Unfortunately cdc will be throwing him under the bus and saying he's a useless plug if he's in the AHL for a few more years.


Man this is bang on. MSL didn't break out till he was around 24. I do not want to give up on Schroeder yet. So what he takes more time to develop. Nothing wrong with that. Give him the time and I promise you he will shine. Just like how everyone said we lost the deal for Kassian, yet they all see how an off-season can prove beneficial to a young player. I'm actually very excited for our prospects and like where the direction of this team is going. I would like to see a another big forward added next year at the draft and then add some really good d Propsects.

The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


The idiocy on CDC....

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:34 PM

Man this is bang on. MSL didn't break out till he was around 24. I do not want to give up on Schroeder yet. So what he takes more time to develop. Nothing wrong with that. Give him the time and I promise you he will shine. Just like how everyone said we lost the deal for Kassian, yet they all see how an off-season can prove beneficial to a young player. I'm actually very excited for our prospects and like where the direction of this team is going. I would like to see a another big forward added next year at the draft and then add some really good d Propsects.


I remember when I was younger, before all of this cdc, capgeek, hockeydb, televised draft stuff, I would simply watch Canucks games and if a prospect was just cracking the line up I would be excited to follow their progress regardless of their age or previous stats. Now guys like Schroeder are put under the microscope and being criticized for having a slow start in the MINORS, all while people track their stats/progress on a game by game basis.

It would actually be better for these guys if it was like the old days when the only time anybody ever heard of them or saw them was when they were playing in the NHL. But of course that won't happen, and hockey starved people like me will continue to follow their every move from day 1. :)

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:40 PM

I wonder if something like

Luongo + Schroeder+ Sauve

for

Bozak, Kadri, Franson

Kadri really helps our prospect pool especially after losing Hodgson and Schroeder not doing much, Franson could turn out to be a solid top 4 with proper development, has good offensive ability and shot. Bozak plays 3rd line.

TO gets an elite goalie, Schroeders a work in progress kinda of like Kadri and Sauve who could turn out to be a bottom pairing defenseman.


Bozak at this point is more useful to us than Luongo, Kadri has more high end potential than Schroeder ( with character questions though), and Franson is an nhler while nobody knows about Sauve yet. It all just depends if Gillis thinks that is enough. Personally I wouldn't mind a deal like that but without giving up any of our better prospects like Schroeder.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:41 PM

No love for the header pass to himself? the guy plays like a dbag, but i got to admit he stood out in this game. He is pretty damn fast for a big guy and seems like he's willing to throw down with anyone

Not gonna lie, that was pretty sick
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:47 PM

No love for the header pass to himself? the guy plays like a dbag, but i got to admit he stood out in this game. He is pretty damn fast for a big guy and seems like he's willing to throw down with anyone


I wanted to draft him back in 07', second round. I think we took Ellington though. I think his bad attitude turns a lot of GMs off. He will be a big time enforcer, no doubt.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:37 PM

They really need a last page button for mobile users...
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:40 PM

Found this on the youtube.



The way he fights sorta reminds me of Ryan White... Or maybe its just the hair
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:44 PM

Mallet or Weise?
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:56 PM

Mallet or Weise?


One knows how to fight, the other doesn't?

Mallet running around last night, the big hit and fight reminded me of Rypien...
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:39 PM

Carter Bancks really impressed me.

I thought mallet had a great game

Pinizotto played a really good game

Rodin played fantastic imo

Hunt played a decent game with a few mistakes tho
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:48 PM

Observing Connauton closely in last nights game, he is physically ready and has the shot to step up BUT still needs to work on his defensive coverage.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:56 PM

Observing Connauton closely in last nights game, he is physically ready and has the shot to step up BUT still needs to work on his defensive coverage.


Yeah I think next season he will be on the team, Connautons impressed me a lot more then Tanev, only thing Tanev is better at then Knauts is defensive coverage. Tanevs poise doesn't seem to be there either the last few games..

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 06:58 PM

No love for the header pass to himself? the guy plays like a dbag, but i got to admit he stood out in this game. He is pretty damn fast for a big guy and seems like he's willing to throw down with anyone

Aliu's a giant headcase that got into a fight with his own teammates in a bar during his first AHL playoffs. there's a reason chicago got rid of him.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:20 PM

2 good articles about the prospects this weekend:

Jordan Schroeder overshadowed by strong showing of other Canucks' prospects

Big Zack Attack hits the Fraser Valley

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But Jordan Schroeder? Well, he's still got lots to prove.

This is a big year for Schroeder and it hasn't started particularly well. Vancouver's first-round pick in 2009, when he was selected 22nd overall, Schroeder has just one point in the Chicago Wolves' first five games of the AHL season. In two games against the Abbotsford Heat this past weekend, Schroeder showed flashes. But there was no bottom line.

"You can see Jordan's skill come when he gets a little bit of ice," said Canuck general manager Mike Gillis. "He has to still continue to learn to play in traffic and use his quickness and shiftiness to his advantage."

Given centre Ryan Kesler's injury, Schroeder was expected to challenge for at least a temporary job at Canuck camp. And Gillis said that still may happen. "Depending on when we get started, with the injuries that we have he's going to get an opportunity to show what he can do," he said.
But first Schroeder must start producing consistently at the AHL level. Some of the other Canuck prospects showed better than Schroeder this past weekend.



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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:18 PM

They really need a last page button for mobile users...

It's not that hard to workaround, just change the number at the end of the URL to a really big number and it'll take you to the last page.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 01:21 PM

Can anyone link me to the Kassian goal? I've only found the highlights from the Heat YouTube channel and they only had Heat goals. According to my friend it was a snipe.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 01:24 PM

it's already in this thread. or do you mean from the second game?

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

Can anyone link me to the Kassian goal? I've only found the highlights from the Heat YouTube channel and they only had Heat goals. According to my friend it was a snipe.


I wouldn't classify the Saturday goal as a snipe, as it did hit the top of Brust's pad before going in.
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 01:29 PM

it's already in this thread. or do you mean from the second game?


Second game

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 01:45 PM

I wouldn't classify the Saturday goal as a snipe, as it did hit the top of Brust's pad before going in.


Ah, alright. Thanks for that.

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