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#121 DeNiro

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:04 PM

Kassian < Hodgson < Schultz or Yakupov


I forgot that on CDC 6 games in the AHL defines a players career.

I guess Schultz is gonna be the next Bobby Orr.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:05 PM

Kassian < Hodgson < Schultz or Yakupov


when Bertuzzi was 21 you could put him in Kassian's spot there.... worth the wait don't you think? (bad example I know cause Bert's game was completely messed up for 5+ years in my opinion due to some stupidity on his part and a lot of stupidity on everyone else's - not taking sides here, no old wounds please, just that it could have been set up to have never happened, that's all. rules of the game anyone?)
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:15 PM

This whole guaranteed ice time thing is a bunch of BS.

Schultz chose the Oilers because it was the best option. I would have chosen the oilers too.

I always argued Schultz would chose Oilers
Ppl disagreed with me about this on CDC. They thought he'd pick Van. But the Oilers made the most sense for a number of reasons.


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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:21 PM

I forgot that on CDC 6 games in the AHL defines a players career.

I guess Schultz is gonna be the next Bobby Orr.

Both kids look like the real deal. Just saying.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:22 PM

This whole guaranteed ice time thing is a bunch of BS.

Schultz chose the Oilers because it was the best option. I would have chosen the oilers too.

I always argued Schultz would chose Oilers
Ppl disagreed with me about this on CDC. They thought he'd pick Van. But the Oilers made the most sense for a number of reasons.

According to Schultz, the #1 reason he chose to sign in Edmonton was that there were a lot of other players around the same age.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:23 PM

when Bertuzzi was 21 you could put him in Kassian's spot there.... worth the wait don't you think? (bad example I know cause Bert's game was completely messed up for 5+ years in my opinion due to some stupidity on his part and a lot of stupidity on everyone else's - not taking sides here, no old wounds please, just that it could have been set up to have never happened, that's all. rules of the game anyone?)

Well if Kassian has a Bertuzzi career, people should be happy no matter how Hodgson turns out.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:31 PM

According to Schultz, the #1 reason he chose to sign in Edmonton was that there were a lot of other players around the same age.


The quality of youth. Not just the age but the potential of those young stars and the team.

Also the Oilers need for a premiere DMan to build their D around. He just fits in EDM perfectly for so many reasons.

Another huge reason is that Schultz could grow and learn comfortably. He can make mistakes and still play 20 mins per game in all situations. This would not happen in VAN.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:34 PM

The quality of youth. Not just the age but the potential of those young stars and the team.

Also the Oilers need for a premiere DMan to build their D around. He just fits in EDM perfectly for so many reasons.

Another huge reason is that Schultz could grow and learn comfortably. He can make mistakes and still play 20 mins per game in all situations. This would not happen in VAN.

I agree.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:43 PM

Both kids look like the real deal. Just saying.

Yakupov is going to be a superstar. The kid is amazing.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:16 AM

Yakupov is lighting it up against men as opposed to everyone in the AHL. There's clearly a much higher correlation between KHL success to NHL success than from AHL to the NHL.

I wouldn't be surprised if Yakupov, Eberle, Hall and RNH are all scoring at a point-a-game pace and 20-40 goals each next season. That's not to mention a 40 point defenceman from the blueline and some great secondary scorers like Horcoff and Hemsky.

The only reason they won't run away with multiple cups is their lack of a big, solid stay at home defenceman and a goaltender.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:41 AM

Yakupov is going to be a superstar. The kid is amazing.

Oilers are going to need to get some serious muscle to protect those kids.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:47 AM

Oilers are going to need to get some serious muscle to protect those kids.

They need to bubble wrap Hall.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:26 AM

I don't know how any intelligent person cannot decipher how a year more of development would make a player better.

Especially when you consider how much Hodgson has improved over the last 12 months. It was roughly a year ago that Hodgson was being questioned whether or not he could make the team. And then he went on to become one of the Canucks best forwards.

So to think that Kassian, a player that is at the same stage Hodgson was at only a year ago, is not as good, is stupid. Especially when you're basing it entirely on AHL stats.

Also, Hodgson's getting his points through assists from Foligno scoring on the powerplay; whereas Kassian is getting his points from scoring goals, while also being physically intimidating. It's not always just as simple as comparing points 1:1 when comparing two prospects...



It can make a player better. It doesn't mean that will actually happen. I can fire off a list of players right now that haven't noticeably progressed from a statistical point of view from one year to the next. Obviously Kassian is not as good as Cody right now. That is a fact. Plus, it was a very good possibility that Kassian would have played on the farm this year anyway had there been a season, something Cody didn't do at the same age.

Err, Foligno is getting goals because of Cody? What is the relevance of stating how Cody is getting his points? Are we now trying to downplay Cody's performance because he's acting as a playmaker? Lets downplay Henrik's performance while we're at it. And yes, there is obviously more to comparing prospects, duh, but we aren't scouts nor could we actually scout the players if we wanted to. Points is all we have to go on and right now Hodgson is cleaning Kassian's clock.Cody's numbers are better in the AHL and obviously in the NHL.

If any homers have issue with me stating the obvious, report me to an admin about how I'm upsetting you with facts. Facts are inconvenient, I know.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:30 AM

Wow buddy. We traded CoHo, get over it. Move on with your life. How about you try and be positive about the prospects we have now?




Kassian brings all 3. He gets points, he hits and he fights.Hodgson just gets points. And when you already have one of the highest scoring teams in the league points isn't as much of a concern. Kassian fills a need for the Canucks. Hodgson is something the Canucks have in excess of.

Get over the god damn trade already.


I am positive with the prospects that we have. At no point did I ever voice displeasure with them. All I said is that Cody is better than Zack and people start thinking "Omg what an idiot he's not being biased towards our team!! :@"

As for Zack bringing all three of those; he does it so well he played himself right into Rochester from Buffalo last season, then into a trade, and then into the Vancouver press box! Yeah, yeah, taking a bit of a shot at him but that isn't exactly false either LOL.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:26 AM

A couple of former Nucks are tied or near J.Schultz for scoring lead.

Bolduc and Hodgson both have 10 points

Mancari and Gragnani both have 8 points.

At least Kassian is doing well.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:36 AM

lots of misguided thoughts here....

a power forward is not going to be an assist machine. (ie. will not generate points, but should get more goals)

Actually, Kassian is more of a passer than a shooter. If you look at his junior stats he has more assists than goals, and I would still consider him a powerforward. Same goes for Clowe in the NHL, he's one of the better powerforwards in the league.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:46 PM

Barons game is in the second intermission. Schultz already has 2 goals. 6 goals and 12 points in 7 games
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:50 PM

Not when we have one of the highest scoring teams in the league, but lack grit.

Oh, and Kassian brings all three.


Oh, and I guess the Sedin's will never get old and/or need to be replaced.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:52 PM

I forgot that on CDC 6 games in the AHL defines a players career.

I guess Schultz is gonna be the next Bobby Orr.


:lol:

Nice to see that you're not bitter.

And BTW, since the Canucks have "so many Justin Schultz types" on D - your words - is it just a coincidence that none are producing even on the same planet as Schultz has been?

Edited by King of the ES, 28 October 2012 - 03:54 PM.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

Barons game is in the second intermission. Schultz already has 2 goals. 6 goals and 12 points in 7 games


Amazing. Both PP goals, too. Becoming ridiculous.

Things are setting up very, very nicely in Edmonton. Good to see.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 04:01 PM

:lol:

Nice to see that you're not bitter.

And BTW, since the Canucks have "so many Justin Schultz types" on D - your words - is it just a coincidence that none are producing even on the same planet as Schultz has been?


Umm we have a D-core full of 30-50 point defensemen that play in the NHL. You know, the league the Canucks play in...

I'm not bitter at all. I just find it annoying how people on here will do anything to hype up other prospects, while trying to talk down about ours. When really, most people on here probably had no idea who Schultz was until a few months ago.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 04:14 PM

I'm not bitter at all. I just find it annoying how people on here will do anything to hype up other prospects, while trying to talk down about ours. When really, most people on here probably had no idea who Schultz was until a few months ago.


Oh yeah, it's a good thing that there's never any undue hype on any Canuck prospects. Zack Kassian's apparently "tearing up the AHL" with 5 points in 8 games. And how many pages is the Frankie Corrado thread at now? 50? 100?
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 04:26 PM

Umm we have a D-core full of 30-50 point defensemen that play in the NHL. You know, the league the Canucks play in...

I'm not bitter at all. I just find it annoying how people on here will do anything to hype up other prospects, while trying to talk down about ours. When really, most people on here probably had no idea who Schultz was until a few months ago.


The problem with the Canucks prospects is for the most part they are hopeful but very few sure things. Not really any blue-chippers. I like a lot of the guys but most of them have question marks that higher ceiling guys don't have.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 04:54 PM

Barons game is in the second intermission. Schultz already has 2 goals. 6 goals and 12 points in 7 games


Yep. I said before if Schultz was in the draft he would have gone 1st or 2nd overall.

It's like the Oilers got the first two picks of the draft.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:17 PM

Poor ducks.

Fowler - Schultz

Sbisa - Lindholm

Gardiner - Anybody

They would have been set for the future.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:38 PM

Yep. I said before if Schultz was in the draft he would have gone 1st or 2nd overall.

It's like the Oilers got the first two picks of the draft.


Yeah, an 18 year old, and a 22 year old...
Some of you seem to be forgetting that Schultz is as old as Cody Hodgson...
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:51 PM

Yeah, an 18 year old, and a 22 year old...
Some of you seem to be forgetting that Schultz is as old as Cody Hodgson...


And he's a rookie pro defenceman that's leading the AHL in points.

Yeah, nothing to take note of here, eh? I'm sure that Kevin Connauton would be doing something similar if the Wolves weren't already so stacked on D.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:57 PM

And he's a rookie pro defenceman that's leading the AHL in points.

Yeah, nothing to take note of here, eh? I'm sure that Kevin Connauton would be doing something similar if the Wolves weren't already so stacked on D.


And to be fair the moment the lockout ends Schultz forever ceases to be an AHL defenceman. It's pretty likely that all the wolves D will still be AHLers.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:21 PM

Amazing. Both PP goals, too. Becoming ridiculous.

Things are setting up very, very nicely in Edmonton. Good to see.

really good to see?
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:23 PM

And he's a rookie pro defenceman that's leading the AHL in points.

Yeah, nothing to take note of here, eh? I'm sure that Kevin Connauton would be doing something similar if the Wolves weren't already so stacked on D.


Surprise - king missed the point - has a very short attention span / problem following conversations - invariably spins off on tangents.

Yep. I said before if Schultz was in the draft he would have gone 1st or 2nd overall.


Schultz was drafted - when he was 18 like the rest of the kids - he went in the second round.
If Adam Henrique, who was drafted in the third round, after Schultz, in 2008, were drafted this year, he woud have been a first or second overall... but things don't work that way do they.
See the point King? 22 year olds are 4 years removed from the draft, comparing them to 18 year olds is pointless, and hindsight is 20/20.
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