Dogbyte Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 You should record the audio when you cancel your tickets and send it to team 1040 and email it to the league as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Because the whole hockey world has known this would end up 50-50 for a year. Fehr still hasn't come to terms with this idea. Many more reasons but this is one of the obvious ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Why would that matter? Those businesses spend a similar percentage on their employees as the NHL does, proving that players are not getting paid so far out of whack with what employees in some other industries make despite what is often said. The fact that the NHL generates more revenue with fewer people than most businesses is simply a result of the fact that those employees are also the product who generate the revenue. That's absolutely not a fact that should be used against them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Based on what? Since the union's very first proposal way back in August they've been offering to get to like 51/49 by year 3, whereas the NHL's first offer was 46/54 with guidelines that would allow the players share to drop to 43% under certain conditions (I assume a drop in revenue). So from the start the union has been closer to 50/50, meaning you have absolutely no basis for saying "Fehr still hasn't come to terms with this idea." Even the NHL's proposed "make whole" convoluted crap is pretty much taking years to actually get to 50/50, like the union suggested, only done in such a way that would keep the cap floor low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I suppose it doesn't matter but it does indicate that it's not just a regular business so it may be unfair to compare it as such. Your initial point was good through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Excellent article! And it proves exactly what I and others have been saying - that NHL owners are being dishonest about their true financial situation. I believe Florida is just one example of how some teams are pretending to lose money while actually making a lot of money, banking on fan gullibility to help them win the PR war. EDIT: You know what, that's actually the best case AGAINST team revenue sharing that I've seen. No wonder the NHL wants to create a committee to decide which teams get the team revenue sharing money, because they would likely know which teams are actually losing money as opposed to which ones just claim to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucks-4-Life Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 This 2 week break is stupid. That means they get back on what Monday, Dec 3rd? By the middle of December they will be clamoring to get another 2 weeks off due to the holidays. If a deal isn't reached by mid February there will be no season. The clock is ticking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Best quote of the day! If you want to talk about moratoriums, Gary, here's a better idea — step down and give us a lifetime moratorium. From you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 This 2 week break is stupid. That means they get back on what Monday, Dec 3rd? By the middle of December they will be clamoring to get another 2 weeks off due to the holidays. If a deal isn't reached by mid February there will be no season. The clock is ticking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Nonsense, Fehr is still insisting NHL cover the losses due to lockout and he's bargaining off a 5% increase in revenues and this higher revenue to be guaranteed. He's not bargaining off what the actual revenue will be but what the revenue will be with a 5% increase. He's looking for 1.9+ Billion next year guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 If the article is the full story and all NHL teams are really making undisclosed profits then my question would be 'why do acknowledged, profitable teams, contribute to a stabilization fund'? Why don't they tell Florida to suck rocks when they ask for support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Because the whole hockey world has known this would end up 50-50 for a year. Fehr still hasn't come to terms with this idea. Many more reasons but this is one of the obvious ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 You are wasting your time. They just want to SPIN what they want to believe. They want to believe the NHL has all the power of Greyskull. They cannot possibly fathom the fact the players are a PRODUCT and not just employees and are so scared of being wrong they have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. (Actually I think WHLrocks is just trolling a bit and possibly mocking DB slightly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 If the article is the full story and all NHL teams are really making undisclosed profits then my question would be 'why do acknowledged, profitable teams, contribute to a stabilization fund'? Why don't they tell Florida to suck rocks when they ask for support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Yes he has, and either way it isn't his job to just accept that right away, his job is to get the best deal for the players. That's it, I think that is the part you and other's done understand. They have already make over a billion dollars in rollbacks, and what does the NHL do? They say they won't budge on contract rights. Again they are trying to push the PA around, but like last time it won't work, Fehr will hold strong and the NHL will have to make another significant move. He is doing a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 So how is he doing a great job if he's already cost the players a billion dollars? You really think the NHL thought their first offer would be accepted? The whole goal has been to get to 50-50, that's why they started with a low ball offer. If Bettman started with 50-50 no way he would ever get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 i like what Botchford said, " this [break] reeks of entitlement". I think that's a fair statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKOouDoDX5o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 ^ I wonder what Gary's response will be, and the part about the Franchise's being in non-viable markets I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 For anyone who missed Pierre LeBrun's blog, here's what other fans are saying: Giving the fans a voice in the CBA talks I vented on Twitter Friday morning that it’s utterly insane that this lockout is still happening. The league says Don Fehr refuses to make a deal. The NHLPA says Gary Bettman is intent on crushing the players’ union, not making a fair deal. Enough already. Let’s focus on the people that really matter in this ridiculous labor impasse: those who foot the bill year in and year out. This blog is dedicated the folks who haven’t been invited to CBA meetings and who don’t get to voice their opinion on TV. The fans get a voice here: @real_espnlebrun I don't plan on purchasing tickets whenever the season starts. Probably won't next season either....— Blues Hockey Podcast (@BluesHockeyPodc) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun I have given @nhl and @nhlpa until Dec 1 to get a deal done. If not, I will never watch hockey again. It will hurt. A lot.— Jason Cassidy (@jaybone1978) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun I have a black and orange ribbon on my car that says "Save my hockey!" from the last lockout, I am about to take it off.— John Laconca (@Laconca) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun fans are middle fingers with small wallets and long memories.— Arlin Ginther (@ArlinGinther) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun will never pay to go to another game— GJ Courville (@GJCourville) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/GJCourville/status/269464110427668480' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun2b honest, when hockey finally comes back I'll watch on tv. Will NOT buy anymore tix, jerseys or merch tho. Not after this— Dammit (@DogmataDeke) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun I just canceled my season tickets and I will not get them again. I wish others would do the same and stick it to the league— Steve Cassel (@cassel191919) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun My anger was replaced by apathy long before this latest outrage. #notmissinghockey #formerdiehard— David Coffey (@Dtcoff) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun here's the thing: my heart wants to come back. my head doesn't. I am going to really let my head have a go at it this time.— curtisandrews (@curtisandrews) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun I feel like a toddler who is upset but they just can't verbalize it so they sit there even more frustrated. #imisshockey— Thomas Scott (@scottischicago) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/scottischicago/status/269463468816601089' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun I removed my name from the pens season ticket list. Pens say a lot are. Don't Want to got thru this every 6 years— Jim (@jssst12) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun as a moderate fan of the game (and the Caps), I've become so turned off that I don't know if/when I'll be interested again.— S. Biscuit (@StankyBiscuit) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/StankyBiscuit/status/269462852878880769' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun I think both parties under estimate how quicky people move in this day and age— Steve N (@KINGS1973) November 16, 2012real_espnlebrun what I fear is that everytime a new CBA needs to be done there's going to be a lockout.— Amber Reynolds (@ZijaFanatik105) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/ZijaFanatik105/status/269462162123153409' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun I'll watch on TV when they come back - but buy tickets?Not for a long long time.— Russ Andolina (@rjandolina) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/rjandolina/status/269462036608589824' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun told all my family NOT to buy me anything NHL related for Christmas.#SocksForTheWin— Ferg(@Ferg__) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/Ferg__/status/269462003255504896' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun Called yesterday and took my name off of the Hawks season ticket waiting list.#notgettingmy$$— Steve Racine (@poker_hockey) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/poker_hockey/status/269461773902553088' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun I know I'll come back to it in time, but no season this year means I won't buy anything NHL in 1st season back. #NHLboycott— Kyle Ailinger (@KAilinger) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/KAilinger/status/269461606184919042' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun i say thank you pierre for finally seeing it from a fans eye view, this time its not going to be easy to forgive & forget— enio bisecco (@Bisecco11) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/Bisecco11/status/269461588363337728' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun You can't expect fans to keep coming back to a league that has a lockout everytime it's CBA is up— Robert Schneider (@SchneiderSez) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/SchneiderSez/status/269461394875887616' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun If the season is lost...so is my 2300 per season...forever maybe— Tony Flores (@JDandTurkelton) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/JDandTurkelton/status/269461363263406080' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun Will rebound here in MTL/Tor. What about Fla,Nash,Tpa or Columbus. Missing it but not craving it. Life goes on.— J.B. (@montreal57) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/montreal57/status/269461261891293184' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun Amen to that! I am really peeved this time. I don't want a watered-down season. My kids are confused & missing it. Sad— Dan Levine (@DBL1216) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/DBL1216/status/269461255130058752' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun The last lockout was hard for me to get through...This time, I really do not care... #NFLSalute— MMarcelloni (@MMarcelloni) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/MMarcelloni/status/269460975369986048' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun $650m lost so far. At what point in the lockout do both sides lose more than the difference they'refighting over?— Tim Horton (@timothy_horton) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/timothy_horton/status/269460958668271617' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun It will be exponentially worse this time around. I'm a hardcore fan and I'm boycotting when (if?) it starts up #fanlockout— Cory Ingjaldson (@cory_ingjaldson) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/cory_ingjaldson/status/269460948388040704' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun I know a few people that really jumped on the #NYR playoff bandwagon last spring. They could care less now. #LostMomentum— Chris Gatti (@cwgatti) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/cwgatti/status/269460833250205697' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun As a die hard #RedWings & @nhl fan of 30 years I'm disgusted &done. I can't support them or spend $ on this league anymore.— TRV (@xTRVx) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/xTRVx/status/269460676991414273' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun US economy is a lot worse then it was 7 years ago. The average fan cant afford to go to a game, they will spend $ elsewhere— Tristateconcerts.com (@tristateconcert) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/tristateconcert/status/269460638215061504' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun I'm gonna watch my Sens, but there is NO WAY I'm paying for anything. Ever. No jerseys. No hats. No NHL Network. Nothing.— Eamon O'Flynn (@EamonOFlynn) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/EamonOFlynn/status/269460442664009728' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun It's also more frustrating this time because with social media we are constantly reminded. Permanent damage has been done.— Jim Patrick (@jjfitz77) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/jjfitz77/status/269460141752082433' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun Already canceled 2 of 4 @nyrangersseats, questioning the other 2 and really has me thinking on how long I may stay away— Michael Mazal (@Michael99420) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/Michael99420/status/269459980179107840' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun they are alienating the hardcore fans this time. We accepted it last time. Not again.— Dudgee (@Dudgee) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/Dudgee/status/269459865662021632' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun lockout is like pausing a videogame w/o saving, sooner or later the power will go out and you have to start over— Rockford White(@RockfordWhite) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/RockfordWhite/status/269459848285003776' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun 35 years of being an NHL fan, in several markets, from Dionne to Stamkos. I may very well not come back after this.— Peter Gilson (@Gilsonhockey) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/Gilsonhockey/status/269459847324524544' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun so true. I'm a young fan, grew to love the Blackhawks in 08/09. Can't promise I'll come back w/ same enthusiasm.— Benjamin Garmoe (@bengarmoe) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/bengarmoe/status/269459817498808321' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun devil season ticket holder since 93. im done with the nhl. ill just go watch local youth hockey.— Phil Osophy (@Phillip_Osophy) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/Phillip_Osophy/status/269459812855709697' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun Full season lockout = lose me as a fan.— Brian Georgievski (@brimau5) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/brimau5/status/269459700410634243' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun I'm a Blackhawks fan in DC. I'm going to Chicago in two weeks and will be buying zero NHL merchandise. I have self-respect.— RollingDoughnut (@RollingDoughnut) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/RollingDoughnut/status/269459633280806912' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun last time I couldn't wait to come back. This time ill come back, but with a newfound resentment for the league and players.— Benjamin(@BENT0B0X) November 16, 2012https://twitter.com/BENT0B0X/status/269459571637108736' rel="external nofollow"> @real_espnlebrun The holidays keep people busy thru new years and then there is superbowl and spring training. love hockey but wont miss it— Jaclyn Renee (@dubnoxious) November 16, 2012 I understand the complexities of this negotiation. And I get both sides’ positions. But there also has to be a reality check. This league cannot afford another year without hockey. But the players better know the league will in fact do it again unless there's a deal owners can live with. The long-term damage from this lockout is already bad enough. 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