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*Official* CBA Negotiations and Lockout Thread

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getting rid of the re-entry is the best thing in the world. Imagine all those guys that could play in the big leagues but can't because they would be claimed so they're left to suffer in the minors.

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The NHLPA has now been ordered by Bettman to put together a deal. See how much power Fehr has?

When faced with this reality, he NOW claims they are putting together a 'new' proposal ? The owners have now completely painted Fehr into a corner where they HAVE to cave in completely.

The players must be SO PLEASED that they hired this guy. He is utterly useless.

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You seem absolutely committed to an outcome where there has been no negotiation, no compromise, no concessions.

That is the kind of thinking that gets nothing done.

One winner - the rightful holders of power, the owners. Absolute capitulation - the powerless little players.

Setting yourself up for disappointment? The NHL simply can't win with that approach.

The real world is nowhere near that simple - and the result will be nowhere near that simple.

Ideology is clouding your perception of reality.

There is a myth that there is a power that is held.

These parties were and will be partners again in the end - or both parties (and their clients) will (continue to) self-destruct - that is what it will take to make the NHL work again. Both sides will negotiate, both sides will compromise, both sides will come to a basis of partnership.

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I actually like it because the teamsowners know where they stand before they draft.

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The NHLPA has now been ordered by Bettman to put together a deal. See how much power Fehr has?

When faced with this reality, he NOW claims they are putting together a 'new' proposal ? The owners have now completely painted Fehr into a corner where they HAVE to cave in completely.

The players must be SO PLEASED that they hired this guy. He is utterly useless.

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NHLPA sends letter to Member of Parliament in Canada:

Exactly why the NHLPA sent an update on the CBA negotiations to a Member of Parliament in Canada isn’t clear – was it upon request? in hopes the federal government would step in and stop the lockout? – but ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun has published the entire letter, which is dated Monday.

The content of the missive is nothing new for those who have been following the NHL’s work stoppage – the union makes it clear that “the lockout was a unilateral decision taken by the owners” and that “negotiations could have continued while games were played.”

It’s also not clear if the letter was sent to one Member of Parliament or more (it’s simply addressed to “Member of Parliament”).

For PHT’s American readers who may not be familiar with federal politics up north, Canada is led by a majority Conservative Party government that doesn’t get a whole bunch of support from organized labor.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/21/nhlpa-sends-letter-to-member-of-parliament-in-canada/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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You seem absolutely committed to an outcome where there has been no negotiation, no compromise, no concessions.

That is the kind of thinking that gets nothing done.

One winner - the rightful holders of power, the owners. Absolute capitulation - the powerless little players.

Setting yourself up for disappointment? The NHL simply can't win with that approach.

The real world is nowhere near that simple - and the result will be nowhere near that simple.

Ideology is clouding your perception of reality.

There is a myth that there is a power that is held.

These parties were and will be partners again in the end - or both parties (and their clients) will (continue to) self-destruct - that is what it will take to make the NHL work again. Both sides will negotiate, both sides will compromise, both sides will come to a basis of partnership.

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Now Fehr has sent a letter to the canadian government whining and complaining . The union has made a horrible mistake in bringing Fehr on board.

The union has no hope of getting any kind of good deal, and they have lost a lot of money in salary they can never recover. The NHL will not give them even a fair deal as they blame the union for having them in this situation.

I would have offered the players 50/50 in return for 5 year max , higher UFA , easier ability to send players down to the minors, and other adjustments.

The union has not had a formal offer and now Bettman has them backed into a corner. All that is left is public perception. Bettman has played this one beautifully. He is forcing the union to put down a ridiculous offer on paper to discredit them, or an offer that is so modest the NHL accepts it and the union ends up with nothing.

Like him or not, there is a reason why he has been NHL commissioner for 20 years.

And in the end, I am on the fans side, and this idea that the union can just go get hired guns to BULLY the very league they play for has got to END.

From now on, let a panel of 3 federal judges hear the union and owners arguments.

Two from the US and one from Canada in an international court. Both sides have to agree to the ruling for 5 years.

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Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS

Don Fehr:"NHL will respond to us around 1 PM."

Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris

Donald Fehr says new proposal is "about as good we can do."

Please, just please let there be a breakthrough!

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Donald Fehr says new proposal is "about as good we can do."

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The morning session is over. Parties said to be meeting again at 1pm ET. (Source: TSN)

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Ian Mendes ********@ian_mendes

Fehr: "We've moved far more than halfway. Our expectation is the NHL is going to be willing to meet us if they want to reach an agreement."

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Fehr: "We've moved far more than halfway. Our expectation is the NHL is going to be willing to meet us if they want to reach an agreement."

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Now Fehr has sent a letter to the canadian government whining and complaining . The union has made a horrible mistake in bringing Fehr on board.

The union has no hope of getting any kind of good deal, and they have lost a lot of money in salary they can never recover. The NHL will not give them even a fair deal as they blame the union for having them in this situation.

I would have offered the players 50/50 in return for 5 year max , higher UFA , easier ability to send players down to the minors, and other adjustments.

The union has not had a formal offer and now Bettman has them backed into a corner. All that is left is public perception. Bettman has played this one beautifully. He is forcing the union to put down a ridiculous offer on paper to discredit them, or an offer that is so modest the NHL accepts it and the union ends up with nothing.

Like him or not, there is a reason why he has been NHL commissioner for 20 years.

And in the end, I am on the fans side, and this idea that the union can just go get hired guns to BULLY the very league they play for has got to END.

From now on, let a panel of 3 federal judges hear the union and owners arguments.

Two from the US and one from Canada in an international court. Both sides have to agree to the ruling for 5 years.

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I haven't read Drybone spouting any idealogy in this discussion. My take is he is questioning the fundamental negociating power of the NHLPA. His position might be considered extreme but does lie in the realm of possibility. 2004 was a capitulation by the union but the result, although very beneficial for the union, was not an industry solution. In a union vs ownership scenario I wonder if there ever will be a solution. Settlement yes, solution no.

This relationship should be a partnership but it will always be caste as the union being a junior partner. The NHL simply brings more to the table than players who will always be faced with the reality that their time is limited. This does not have to be a negative. The NHL has a history of players who move on to management positions and even some into ownership. This is something that should be matured into a strength in the relationship.

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Reminds me of the statement from Bettman in mid-Oct (?) when they moved to 50/50 split and he said it was significant and the NHLPA said no thanks.

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Except that the players have ACTUALLY made concessions? :lol:

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I know. Just adding to your comment that while the rhetoric is similar, the situations behind it are not.

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I know. Just adding to your comment that while the rhetoric is similar, the situations behind it are not.

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