Shift-4 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 They did file preemptive complaints with the NLRB. Not sure if they requested proof of legality, either way they seemed to just do an about-face and start properly negotiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I don't see the point. If the union disbands and the 700 players take legal action then it only applys if the NHL is actually doing business. All this does is force a shutdown until a new CBA is signed. A new CBA won't be signed by the NHL unless there is a union representing the players. It still comes down to whose pockets are deeper. I would think the owners can wait this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Could this mean easier steps to scabs entering the scene...hmmm hope so loving the Drama...way to go NHLPA lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Another ridiculous move by Bettman et al. Lock them out, take it or leave it, on the table, off the table. Hey, they players are negotiating in bad faith. Good luck. Better have the process in your pocket if you're hoping to make this work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Another ridiculous move by Bettman et al. Lock them out, take it or leave it, on the table, off the table. Hey, they players are negotiating in bad faith. Good luck. Better have the process in your pocket if you're hoping to make this work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAH Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I don't see the point. If the union disbands and the 700 players take legal action then it only applys if the NHL is actually doing business. All this does is force a shutdown until a new CBA is signed. A new CBA won't be signed by the NHL unless there is a union representing the players. It still comes down to whose pockets are deeper. I would think the owners can wait this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMBUTANS Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Lp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMBUTANS Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I told you there won't be hockey for 2 years. You believe me now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Without a union there is no CBA. The players, as individuals, will file anti-trust lawsuits against the NHL claiming the lockout is illegal. At that point, if successful, the teams have to resume business (hockey) or fold. If this happens you'd have 30 individual businesses (the teams) competing against each other. They cannot collude and agree among themselves to limit salaries, hold out/lockout, etc. under US and Canadian anti-trust (anti-competition) laws. This is where it gets a little murky for me. Do the individual players still have contracts? Or are they contingent on having a CBA? I believe, based on what I've read, that they in fact are still under contract to their teams. Why would the Labour Relations Board award the players 3X their contract if they no longer had contracts? So assuming they have contracts they must be paid. Free agents still unsigned would not be constrained by the salary cap. However they would not be covered by the league minimum salary anymore either. Any benefits from the League (medical, dental, death benefits, etc.) that are covered under the CBA would be gone. So basically, anything the teams themselves offer in individual existing contracts would be honoured. Anything covered under the CBA would not. This doesn't happen overnight. The NHL will fight this tooth and nail and drag it out as long as possible. This would be an unmitigated disaster for them. Believe it or not, the CBA helps the league at least if not more so than the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I told you there won't be hockey for 2 years. You believe me now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Why are you so adamant about this? It will never happen. Plus there's still time to save this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAH Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yes, agree with everything you said, except maybe the last bit. The league's side would do one of two things, either capitulate immediately and work a deal within the week, or dig in for the long haul as you say. If the second scenario happens, I believe the minister was right when he said recently that the NHL as we know it today would cease to exist, and likely would never return. If it took too long I'm not even sure that the NHL would ever return, we might see the AHL take over the crown of hockey in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 It's an incessant need to be right all the time. It's a plague amongst many CDC'ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 This is so true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 No, it's not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Why isn't it? King of the ES has proven many times that he will not be proven wrong even when he has been proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Realistically, I don't think the NHL will allow this to get to the point where they are operating long term without a CBA. The CBA allows the league to operate as one entity and avoid all of the anti-competition laws in N. America. I believe the NHL will essentially cave to the players once the court rules the lockout illegal and that the union dissolving is not a form of bad faith bargaining. But in theory if it went nuclear, the rich and middle of the road teams would operate as the NHL. maybe 20 teams. Why would the owners of the Rangers, Leafs, Canadiens, Canucks, Bruins, etc. just walk away from their business when it was making money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Dude....... irony. Way to prove the point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAH Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yeah I think you're right. Fun to theorize though, not much else to do these days. I do think this is why we saw Gary's meltdown face last week. I'm certain he thought he could control when and how this all ends. The realization that he couldn't and they might actually be headed towards Decert/Disclaimer jarred him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np9tBI7_nq8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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