This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

-Vintage Canuck-

*Official* CBA Negotiations and Lockout Thread

Recommended Posts

Funny how the owners are always making concessions....amazing how the employees can dictate what the owners can and can't do....

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

"Less demands" =/= "concessions"

...Amazing how the owners can sign career-length, multi-million dollar deals, and then a few months later expect the players to simply sign away a big chunk of what they were contracted for.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Amazing how the agents force the owners to sign players to multi year deals for more than they are worth by threatening that they will go elsewhere...

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Before agents the owners used players like they were cattle even to the point if they got married they would get sent to the minors as a lesson, they had less rights to ply their trade than anybody in society.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites you hear that sound?  That's me playing "Cry me a river" on the worlds smallest violin.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hockey Buzz Eklund@Eklund

I have updated my blog here>


Darren Dreger@DarrenDreger

@Eklund. Good work on this story, Ek.


Pierre LeBrun@Real_ESPNLeBrun

@DarrenDreger @Eklund I'll second that Ek !Collapse

Joe Haggerty@HackswithHaggs

Credit where it's due: @Eklund was all over this new offer from NHL and had been hinting at it before he actually reported it. Major props

Hide conversation

:picard: This will surely lead to more fake rumours. Hey Jimmy! I got one right! Waiting for the double face-palm E(5)

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites


NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly confirmed on Friday the league made a new CBA proposal to the NHL Players' Association on Thursday afternoon.

An NHL player who requested anonymity told TSN the new offer included movement on term limits for player contracts, salary variance and buyouts.

"In light of media reports this morning, I can confirm that we delivered to the Union a new, comprehensive proposal for a successor CBA late yesterday afternoon," said Daly in a statement." We are not prepared to discuss the details of our proposal at this time. We are hopeful that once the Union's staff and negotiating committee have had an opportunity to thoroughly review and consider our new proposal, they will share it with the players. We want to be back on the ice as soon as possible."

The NHLPA has scheduled a 3pm et conference call to discuss the offer internally but there is no plan as yet for the two sides to meet on Friday.

According to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger, the NHL adjusted its maximum contract length from five to six years (seven years if a team is re-signing its own player) and boosted the variance from five to 10 per cent.

TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun adds that the new offer includes the 'Make Whole' provision that stays at $300 million and allows each team one compliance buyout prior to the 2013-14 season. The buyout would not count against the cap, but it would against the players' share.

The length of the agreement would be 10 years with a mutual opt-out clause after eight years while the league maintains their desire to change the start of the free agency period from July 1 to July 10.

The player says the new league offer still calls for the salary cap to be $60 million for the 2013-14 season, which could be an issue when it comes to escrow.

The lockout is in its 104th day.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Why do you expect the players just to bow and give away the rights they bargained for in fairness? Just so you can watch them play?

People pretend to care about "the game", etc. But in reality, most are just a bunch of spoiled brats that just want to be entertained and catered to.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Kind of how the players and owners are acting in this?  

Do I expect the players to make concessions? Yes. Do I expect the owners to make concessions? Yes.

The company I work for didn't make the profit they forecast this year - because of that, none of the employees will receive a bonus.

In other words, the market is not constant so the employer can NOT guarantee how much they can share with their employees.

One thing that I dislike the most about this lockout is how the fans have divided - how fans from the same team are battling each other, how fans from the same team who choose one side and resort to name calling of each other.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Highlights of 300 page offer

An NHL team source provided highlights from the latest offer the NHL gave to the union on Thursday:

• Ten-Year Agreement (through 2021/22 season); Parties have mutual opt-out right

after 8 years.

• 50-50 Revenue Split between Clubs and Players with current HRR Accounting.

• $300 million in “Make-Whole” payments (outside the system) to compensate Players

for the reduced value of Player contracts in the early years of the new CBA.

• No contractual “roll backs” of Player Salaries.

• Clubs can operate with an effective Upper Limit of $70.2 million in 2012/13; must

come into compliance with $60 million Upper Limit for the start of the 2013/14


• Each Club will be entitled to execute up to one “Compliance Buy-Out” prior to the

2013/14 season pursuant to which payments made to the Player will not be charged

against the team’s Cap, but will be charged against the Players’ Share.

• Establishment of a Defined Benefit Pension Plan that will provide maximum

permissible benefits to Players upon retirement. The Plan will be funded with

contributions out of Players’ Share and $50 million of the “Make-Whole” payment

amount of $300 million will be allocated and set aside to fund potential underfunding

liabilities of the Plan at end of CBA.

• Rules for Entry Level System, Salary Arbitration and Group 3 Unrestricted Free

Agency will remain unchanged.

• Maximum contract length of 6 years subject to a Club’s ability to re-sign its own

Player for a term of up to 7 years (provided the Player played his last full season

with the re-signing Club). In addition, year-to-year Salary variability will be limited

(up or down) to no more than 10% of the value of the first year of a multi-year SPC.

• Money paid (above a defined threshold) to Players on NHL SPCs in another

professional league (e.g., the AHL or a European league) will be charged against the

NHL team’s Cap, but not against the Players’ Share.

• “Cap Advantage Recapture” formula applicable to existing long-term contracts (in

excess of 6 years) for years in which Player is retired or fails/refuses to perform

under his NHL SPC.

• Ability for Clubs to retain/allocate Salary and Cap Charges in the context of Player

Trades within specified parameters.

• More robust League-wide Revenue Sharing Program (increased pool from

approximately $150 million to $200 million) with creation of Industry Growth Fund to

improve the long-term revenue generating potential of the League and low-grossing

Clubs. Formation of active Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee on which NHLPA

will participate.

• New Player Discipline procedures and protocol incorporating Player appeal rights to

a neutral third-party arbitrator for both on-ice and off-ice discipline.

• Flexibility-related adjustments to Payroll Range System, including (in addition to

Salary/Cap Charge allocation in Player trades):

    • 1. Lower Limit obligation without performance bonuses;

    • 2. Elimination of Re-Entry Waivers;

    • 3. Creation of Salary Cap exceptions for emergency roster situations/goaltender


    • 4. Waiver exemptions for mid-season signings of Club’s own European Players;

    • 5. Availability of Performance Bonus Cushion in every year of the CBA;

    • 6. Creation of “interview period” for Unrestricted Free Agents.

• Various Player contract enhancements and protections, including:

    • 1. Early activation of “No Move/No Trade” clauses in contract extensions;

    • 2. Additional restrictions on Club “buy-out” rights of Player contracts;

    • 3. Modified Waiver obligations for Clubs / enhanced Waiver opportunities for


    • 4. Standardization of reimbursements and benefits related to Player

      assignments (trades, loans, recalls, etc.);

    • 5. Continued increases in League Minimum Salary and Per Diem;

    • 6. Playoff Pool increased from $6.5 million to $13 million in Year 1; additional

      regular increases over the balance of the CBA term;

    • 7. All minor league salary paid in USD;

    • 8. Liberalized “Cap treatment” standards for Club initiatives benefitting Players,

      such as “parent-son” road trips; milestone awards/gifts; parental travel and

      lodging for attendance at EL Player games, Club provision of various types of

      “professional development”-type services for Players, etc.

• Player “Working Condition” improvements, including:

    • 1. Ice-time restrictions and mandatory “days off” requirements during Training


    • 2. Club practice schedule and “days off” requirements during the Regular


    • 3. Extended “Christmas Break” (i.e., December 24-26 “days off” for all


    • 4. Mandatory facility standards for Visiting Teams relating to training/medical

      supplies, workout equipment and dressing room standards/supplies;

    • 5. Implementation of “best practices” and continued League initiatives to ensure

      optimal ice conditions;

    • 6. Tighter restrictions/regulation of Club off-season conditioning requirements

      and Club Conditioning Camp;

    • 7. Establishment of annual Orientation and Development Program for

      Rookies/First Year Players.

• New CBA Article devoted exclusively to Player Health and Safety measures and

covering such matters as:

    • 1. The establishment of a Joint NHL/NHLPA Health and Safety Committee with

      equal representation from the NHL and the NHLPA;

    • 2. The establishment of “Standard of Care” and “Professional Duty” obligations

      owing from team health care professionals to Players;

    • 3. The establishment of minimum requirements for “health management” staffing

      and resources;

    • 4. The establishment of standards for the creation, updating and maintenance of

      Electronic Medical Records for Players;

    • 5. Improvements to Second Medical Opinion procedures and protocol and

      Fitness to Play determinations;

    • 6. Implementation of additional steps and safeguards to monitor the use (and

      possible misuse) of prescription medication by Players.

    • 7. Increased flexibility for Players for rehabilitation of injuries during the offseason.

• Elimination of NHLPA “Guarantee” of Escrow shortfall and increased NHLPA

discretion to determine in-season Escrow Rates.

• Completion of expert third-party review of SABH Program and commitment to make

recommended modifications and improvements, as appropriate.

• Improvements to existing Performance Enhancing Substances Program, including:

    • 1. Expansion of Prohibited Substances List to include illegal stimulants;

    • 2. The establishment of testing protocol for HGH;

    • 3. Varied forms and times of testing throughout the year;

    • 4. The establishment of protocol for “reasonable cause testing”;

    • 5. Incorporation of agreed-upon appeal procedures from “positive” test results;

    • 6. Commitment to work with the AHL and the PHPA to expand Program to cover

      AHL Players.

• Joint (NHL/NHLPA) Committees:

    • 1. Formation of new “Owner-Player Relations Committee,” with broad-based

      participation from Owners and Players intended to foster and establish better

      understanding and stronger working relationships.

    • 2. Formation of new “Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee” to oversee the

      operation of the Revenue Sharing System.

    • 3. Formation of new “Joint Health and Safety Committee” to make

      recommendations to the NHL and the NHLPA on Player Health and Safety


    • 4. Formation of new “NHL/NHLPA Equipment Working Group” to study,

      promulgate and enforce minimum standards for protective equipment utilized

      by NHL Players.

    • 5. Refined and enhanced role for “Player/Club Competition Committee” (CBA

      Article 22) with greater consultation and interaction with the NHL General

      Managers’ Committee.

    • 6. The “NHL/NHLPA Joint Owner-Player Broadcasting/Marketing Committee”

      (CBA Article 32) will be reconstituted to consult and establish policy on

      League broadcasting and marketing matters, as well as other League

      business functions and initiatives.

    • 7. The NHL/NHLPA International Committee (CBA Article 24) will be charged

      with jointly identifying, creating, exploiting and managing new international

      business opportunities involving NHL Players, in which the NHL and NHLPA

      will participate as 50-50 partners. The NHL/NHLPA International Committee

      shall also have an advisory role in planning and executing NHL events

      conducted outside of North America.

• Players provided access to platform for their individual Player websites

and social media.

• Implementation of a weighted Draft Lottery in which all non-Playoff teams compete

for opportunity to choose first overall in the annual Draft.

• Exclusive negotiating rights window for European Draftees extended to one period

covering four years, instead of two periods covering two years each.

• Modification to “Four-Recall Rule” to remove limitation on “number of transactions”

following the Trade Deadline; replace with limitations on the total number of Recalls

on roster at any one time after the Trade Deadline.

• Updated and improved Grievance Arbitration process and procedure.

• Enhanced access to Game Tickets for Visiting Team Players and NHLPA.

• NHLPA representatives to be provided reasonable access to Club facilities and

Players at reasonable times.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

That's just it though. You're contradicting yourself. Owners have made pretty much ZERO concessions. And this is after consecutive years of record profits for the league.

The thing I dislike the most about this lockout is how weak the average person is. How they are ready and willing to bend over backwards to whatever our corporate overlords tell us. How they value brands over people. How they have have so little solidarity with the players they would otherwise cheer for, when they are no longer entertaining them...

People say "it's different, these guys are overpaid/etc.", but it's not. It's just another case of the super-wealthy trying to pay by different rules than the rest of us. It's yet another example of billionaires attempting to maximize private profits, while socializing losses. And, like all large legal issues, what happens can set a precedent that can affect many other people/industries in the future.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Funny how the owners are always making concessions....amazing how the employees can dictate what the owners can and can't do....

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Amazing how the agents force the owners to sign players to multi year deals for more than they are worth by threatening that they will go elsewhere...

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Barely any movement by the league, but it's movement nonetheless. By this point, I honestly don't care what's happens now, in fact in some regards, I hope the season is cancelled so both sides can learn a lesson.

Every since 2005, the league has been receiving record profits, and player salaries have skyrocketed ever since. Even with such positive financial results, both sides decide to argue how to divide the large amount of economic surplus. I mean, I could sympathize a little bit for both sides in 04/05, the league was in a financial crisis. But this? This is total BS. Both sides continue to argue and pursue more money even after the heaps of profits they've already accumulated over these past 7 years.

Oh well, I'm still going to watch the NHL when it comes back. It's just that this ridiculous fiasco that has been plagued with arrogance and greed will always be in the back of my mind whenever I hear the words "for the fans" coming out of the mouths of the players or the league.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.