Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Nick Kypreos @RealKyper Good sign #NHL owners aren't willing to burn season but latest offer not close 2 getting deal done. #NHLPA counter offer already in works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper Good sign #NHL owners aren't willing to burn season but latest offer not close 2 getting deal done. #NHLPA counter offer already in works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 "Less demands" =/= "concessions" ...Amazing how the owners can sign career-length, multi-million dollar deals, and then a few months later expect the players to simply sign away a big chunk of what they were contracted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 guy also said team Canada wouldn't medal in Vancouver lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Amazing how the agents force the owners to sign players to multi year deals for more than they are worth by threatening that they will go elsewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Before agents the owners used players like they were cattle even to the point if they got married they would get sent to the minors as a lesson, they had less rights to ply their trade than anybody in society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Right...do you hear that sound? That's me playing "Cry me a river" on the worlds smallest violin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Hockey Buzz Eklund @Eklund I have updated my blog here> http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=48090 … Expand Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger @Eklund. Good work on this story, Ek. Expand Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun @DarrenDreger @Eklund I'll second that Ek !Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite Joe Haggerty @HackswithHaggs Credit where it's due: @Eklund was all over this new offer from NHL and had been hinting at it before he actually reported it. Major props Hide conversation Reply Retweet Favorite This will surely lead to more fake rumours. Hey Jimmy! I got one right! Waiting for the double face-palm E(5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 NHL MAKES NEW CBA OFFER TO PLAYERS' ASSOCIATION NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly confirmed on Friday the league made a new CBA proposal to the NHL Players' Association on Thursday afternoon. An NHL player who requested anonymity told TSN the new offer included movement on term limits for player contracts, salary variance and buyouts. "In light of media reports this morning, I can confirm that we delivered to the Union a new, comprehensive proposal for a successor CBA late yesterday afternoon," said Daly in a statement." We are not prepared to discuss the details of our proposal at this time. We are hopeful that once the Union's staff and negotiating committee have had an opportunity to thoroughly review and consider our new proposal, they will share it with the players. We want to be back on the ice as soon as possible." The NHLPA has scheduled a 3pm et conference call to discuss the offer internally but there is no plan as yet for the two sides to meet on Friday. According to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger, the NHL adjusted its maximum contract length from five to six years (seven years if a team is re-signing its own player) and boosted the variance from five to 10 per cent. TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun adds that the new offer includes the 'Make Whole' provision that stays at $300 million and allows each team one compliance buyout prior to the 2013-14 season. The buyout would not count against the cap, but it would against the players' share. The length of the agreement would be 10 years with a mutual opt-out clause after eight years while the league maintains their desire to change the start of the free agency period from July 1 to July 10. The player says the new league offer still calls for the salary cap to be $60 million for the 2013-14 season, which could be an issue when it comes to escrow. The lockout is in its 104th day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Good sign #NHL owners aren't willing to burn season but latest offer not close 2 getting deal done. #NHLPA counter offer already in works. — Nick Kypreos (@RealKyper) December 28, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Well there you have it, Jan 19 is the drop dead date. David Shoalts @dshoalts NHL exec: Key is Jan 5. Need a deal by then to allow for 1 wk legal paperwork, 1 wk for camp, first puck drop Jan. 19. Otherwise it's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Why do you expect the players just to bow and give away the rights they bargained for in fairness? Just so you can watch them play? People pretend to care about "the game", etc. But in reality, most are just a bunch of spoiled brats that just want to be entertained and catered to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Kind of how the players and owners are acting in this? Do I expect the players to make concessions? Yes. Do I expect the owners to make concessions? Yes. The company I work for didn't make the profit they forecast this year - because of that, none of the employees will receive a bonus. In other words, the market is not constant so the employer can NOT guarantee how much they can share with their employees. One thing that I dislike the most about this lockout is how the fans have divided - how fans from the same team are battling each other, how fans from the same team who choose one side and resort to name calling of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMBUTANS Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 If the players reject this new proposal, they are indeed GREEDY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Highlights of 300 page offer http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/21004/highlights-of-nhls-dec-27-proposal An NHL team source provided highlights from the latest offer the NHL gave to the union on Thursday: • Ten-Year Agreement (through 2021/22 season); Parties have mutual opt-out right after 8 years. • 50-50 Revenue Split between Clubs and Players with current HRR Accounting. • $300 million in “Make-Whole” payments (outside the system) to compensate Players for the reduced value of Player contracts in the early years of the new CBA. • No contractual “roll backs” of Player Salaries. • Clubs can operate with an effective Upper Limit of $70.2 million in 2012/13; must come into compliance with $60 million Upper Limit for the start of the 2013/14 season. • Each Club will be entitled to execute up to one “Compliance Buy-Out” prior to the 2013/14 season pursuant to which payments made to the Player will not be charged against the team’s Cap, but will be charged against the Players’ Share. • Establishment of a Defined Benefit Pension Plan that will provide maximum permissible benefits to Players upon retirement. The Plan will be funded with contributions out of Players’ Share and $50 million of the “Make-Whole” payment amount of $300 million will be allocated and set aside to fund potential underfunding liabilities of the Plan at end of CBA. • Rules for Entry Level System, Salary Arbitration and Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency will remain unchanged. • Maximum contract length of 6 years subject to a Club’s ability to re-sign its own Player for a term of up to 7 years (provided the Player played his last full season with the re-signing Club). In addition, year-to-year Salary variability will be limited (up or down) to no more than 10% of the value of the first year of a multi-year SPC. • Money paid (above a defined threshold) to Players on NHL SPCs in another professional league (e.g., the AHL or a European league) will be charged against the NHL team’s Cap, but not against the Players’ Share. • “Cap Advantage Recapture” formula applicable to existing long-term contracts (in excess of 6 years) for years in which Player is retired or fails/refuses to perform under his NHL SPC. • Ability for Clubs to retain/allocate Salary and Cap Charges in the context of Player Trades within specified parameters. • More robust League-wide Revenue Sharing Program (increased pool from approximately $150 million to $200 million) with creation of Industry Growth Fund to improve the long-term revenue generating potential of the League and low-grossing Clubs. Formation of active Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee on which NHLPA will participate. • New Player Discipline procedures and protocol incorporating Player appeal rights to a neutral third-party arbitrator for both on-ice and off-ice discipline. • Flexibility-related adjustments to Payroll Range System, including (in addition to Salary/Cap Charge allocation in Player trades): 1. Lower Limit obligation without performance bonuses; 2. Elimination of Re-Entry Waivers; 3. Creation of Salary Cap exceptions for emergency roster situations/goaltender injuries; 4. Waiver exemptions for mid-season signings of Club’s own European Players; 5. Availability of Performance Bonus Cushion in every year of the CBA; 6. Creation of “interview period” for Unrestricted Free Agents. • Various Player contract enhancements and protections, including: 1. Early activation of “No Move/No Trade” clauses in contract extensions; 2. Additional restrictions on Club “buy-out” rights of Player contracts; 3. Modified Waiver obligations for Clubs / enhanced Waiver opportunities for Players; 4. Standardization of reimbursements and benefits related to Player assignments (trades, loans, recalls, etc.); 5. Continued increases in League Minimum Salary and Per Diem; 6. Playoff Pool increased from $6.5 million to $13 million in Year 1; additional regular increases over the balance of the CBA term; 7. All minor league salary paid in USD; 8. Liberalized “Cap treatment” standards for Club initiatives benefitting Players, such as “parent-son” road trips; milestone awards/gifts; parental travel and lodging for attendance at EL Player games, Club provision of various types of “professional development”-type services for Players, etc. • Player “Working Condition” improvements, including: 1. Ice-time restrictions and mandatory “days off” requirements during Training Camp; 2. Club practice schedule and “days off” requirements during the Regular Season; 3. Extended “Christmas Break” (i.e., December 24-26 “days off” for all purposes); 4. Mandatory facility standards for Visiting Teams relating to training/medical supplies, workout equipment and dressing room standards/supplies; 5. Implementation of “best practices” and continued League initiatives to ensure optimal ice conditions; 6. Tighter restrictions/regulation of Club off-season conditioning requirements and Club Conditioning Camp; 7. Establishment of annual Orientation and Development Program for Rookies/First Year Players. • New CBA Article devoted exclusively to Player Health and Safety measures and covering such matters as: 1. The establishment of a Joint NHL/NHLPA Health and Safety Committee with equal representation from the NHL and the NHLPA; 2. The establishment of “Standard of Care” and “Professional Duty” obligations owing from team health care professionals to Players; 3. The establishment of minimum requirements for “health management” staffing and resources; 4. The establishment of standards for the creation, updating and maintenance of Electronic Medical Records for Players; 5. Improvements to Second Medical Opinion procedures and protocol and Fitness to Play determinations; 6. Implementation of additional steps and safeguards to monitor the use (and possible misuse) of prescription medication by Players. 7. Increased flexibility for Players for rehabilitation of injuries during the offseason. • Elimination of NHLPA “Guarantee” of Escrow shortfall and increased NHLPA discretion to determine in-season Escrow Rates. • Completion of expert third-party review of SABH Program and commitment to make recommended modifications and improvements, as appropriate. • Improvements to existing Performance Enhancing Substances Program, including: 1. Expansion of Prohibited Substances List to include illegal stimulants; 2. The establishment of testing protocol for HGH; 3. Varied forms and times of testing throughout the year; 4. The establishment of protocol for “reasonable cause testing”; 5. Incorporation of agreed-upon appeal procedures from “positive” test results; 6. Commitment to work with the AHL and the PHPA to expand Program to cover AHL Players. • Joint (NHL/NHLPA) Committees: 1. Formation of new “Owner-Player Relations Committee,” with broad-based participation from Owners and Players intended to foster and establish better understanding and stronger working relationships. 2. Formation of new “Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee” to oversee the operation of the Revenue Sharing System. 3. Formation of new “Joint Health and Safety Committee” to make recommendations to the NHL and the NHLPA on Player Health and Safety matters. 4. Formation of new “NHL/NHLPA Equipment Working Group” to study, promulgate and enforce minimum standards for protective equipment utilized by NHL Players. 5. Refined and enhanced role for “Player/Club Competition Committee” (CBA Article 22) with greater consultation and interaction with the NHL General Managers’ Committee. 6. The “NHL/NHLPA Joint Owner-Player Broadcasting/Marketing Committee” (CBA Article 32) will be reconstituted to consult and establish policy on League broadcasting and marketing matters, as well as other League business functions and initiatives. 7. The NHL/NHLPA International Committee (CBA Article 24) will be charged with jointly identifying, creating, exploiting and managing new international business opportunities involving NHL Players, in which the NHL and NHLPA will participate as 50-50 partners. The NHL/NHLPA International Committee shall also have an advisory role in planning and executing NHL events conducted outside of North America. • Players provided access to NHL.com platform for their individual Player websites and social media. • Implementation of a weighted Draft Lottery in which all non-Playoff teams compete for opportunity to choose first overall in the annual Draft. • Exclusive negotiating rights window for European Draftees extended to one period covering four years, instead of two periods covering two years each. • Modification to “Four-Recall Rule” to remove limitation on “number of transactions” following the Trade Deadline; replace with limitations on the total number of Recalls on roster at any one time after the Trade Deadline. • Updated and improved Grievance Arbitration process and procedure. • Enhanced access to Game Tickets for Visiting Team Players and NHLPA. • NHLPA representatives to be provided reasonable access to Club facilities and Players at reasonable times. 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Heretic Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 That's just it though. You're contradicting yourself. Owners have made pretty much ZERO concessions. And this is after consecutive years of record profits for the league. The thing I dislike the most about this lockout is how weak the average person is. How they are ready and willing to bend over backwards to whatever our corporate overlords tell us. How they value brands over people. How they have have so little solidarity with the players they would otherwise cheer for, when they are no longer entertaining them... People say "it's different, these guys are overpaid/etc.", but it's not. It's just another case of the super-wealthy trying to pay by different rules than the rest of us. It's yet another example of billionaires attempting to maximize private profits, while socializing losses. And, like all large legal issues, what happens can set a precedent that can affect many other people/industries in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Funny how the owners are always making concessions....amazing how the employees can dictate what the owners can and can't do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Amazing how the agents force the owners to sign players to multi year deals for more than they are worth by threatening that they will go elsewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Barely any movement by the league, but it's movement nonetheless. By this point, I honestly don't care what's happens now, in fact in some regards, I hope the season is cancelled so both sides can learn a lesson. Every since 2005, the league has been receiving record profits, and player salaries have skyrocketed ever since. Even with such positive financial results, both sides decide to argue how to divide the large amount of economic surplus. I mean, I could sympathize a little bit for both sides in 04/05, the league was in a financial crisis. But this? This is total BS. Both sides continue to argue and pursue more money even after the heaps of profits they've already accumulated over these past 7 years. Oh well, I'm still going to watch the NHL when it comes back. It's just that this ridiculous fiasco that has been plagued with arrogance and greed will always be in the back of my mind whenever I hear the words "for the fans" coming out of the mouths of the players or the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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