Provost Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Damn it, Provost..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 upgrading minimum salary hardly seems worth the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Oh, I should share one glimmer of hope. The league's labour lawyers must be having a fit with a couple things Bettman has said in the past two days. 1. "We have never heard of decertifcation from the PA" - OK, then kiss your pre-emptive suit in New York to make the decertification invalid goodbye. You can't sue someone for something they may want to do in the future like that. It means that New York tosses it out, and the PA gets to start filing lawsuits in different jurisdictions that may be more labour friendly. 2. "Some owners are unhappy with deals they signed and would be happy to dismantle their teams" - This was reported as being said a couple days ago by Bettman. If it was done in front of the federal mediator and other parties and was close to that quote, Bettman just paved the way for successful lawsuits by the players against their owners. You can't use collective bargaining to get out of existing contracts you signed in good faith with another party. That is really sounding like the league is bargaining in bad faith and also strengthens the players case for decertifying their union. If bargaining collectively is only a method to undermine individual contracts it seems reasonable to not bargain collectively. So the ray of light is that several of Bettman's legal team are probably advising him to settle and avoid going into court. Add that to the desire from the owners NOT to have their books opened up to a third party and expose the shenanigans they have been done to cook their books and reduce HRR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 upgrading minimum salary hardly seems worth the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 C'mon, they can't have mark jankowski living in a cardboard box his entire career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Jankowski being a first could negotiate max rookie bonuses up to 3.7m. As a base pay for his salary players drafted that high generally get 800,000+ in their entry level deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 2. "Some owners are unhappy with deals they signed and would be happy to dismantle their teams" - This was reported as being said a couple days ago by Bettman. If it was done in front of the federal mediator and other parties and was close to that quote, Bettman just paved the way for successful lawsuits by the players against their owners. You can't use collective bargaining to get out of existing contracts you signed in good faith with another party. That is really sounding like the league is bargaining in bad faith and also strengthens the players case for decertifying their union. If bargaining collectively is only a method to undermine individual contracts it seems reasonable to not bargain collectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 "Basically, they changed the definition, where there would be no accountability in terms of HRR accounting," Senators team representativeChris Phillips told The Ottawa Sun on Friday. "So they could basically give us whatever number they wanted to. "It's great that we're at 50-50 now, but 50-50 of what? That's just ridiculous. We're trying to get a deal done, and negotiate in good faith and they pull garbage like that. That's not going to get anything done." So why didn't you guys sign the original offer doh! I all the players that think like Chris. You had your chance and now when the definition has changed - you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 "Basically, they changed the definition, where there would be no accountability in terms of HRR accounting," Senators team representativeChris Phillips told The Ottawa Sun on Friday. "So they could basically give us whatever number they wanted to. "It's great that we're at 50-50 now, but 50-50 of what? That's just ridiculous. We're trying to get a deal done, and negotiate in good faith and they pull garbage like that. That's not going to get anything done." So why didn't you guys sign the original offer doh! I all the players that think like Chris. You had your chance and now when the definition has changed - you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stexx Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 "Basically, they changed the definition, where there would be no accountability in terms of HRR accounting," Senators team representativeChris Phillips told The Ottawa Sun on Friday. "So they could basically give us whatever number they wanted to. "It's great that we're at 50-50 now, but 50-50 of what? That's just ridiculous. We're trying to get a deal done, and negotiate in good faith and they pull garbage like that. That's not going to get anything done." So why didn't you guys sign the original offer doh! I all the players that think like Chris. You had your chance and now when the definition has changed - you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I think he said General Managers, not Owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 @TSNRyanRishaug A huge amount of food was just seen delivered into NHL offices. Looks like another long night ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 "Basically, they changed the definition, where there would be no accountability in terms of HRR accounting," Senators team representativeChris Phillips told The Ottawa Sun on Friday. "So they could basically give us whatever number they wanted to. "It's great that we're at 50-50 now, but 50-50 of what? That's just ridiculous. We're trying to get a deal done, and negotiate in good faith and they pull garbage like that. That's not going to get anything done." So why didn't you guys sign the original offer doh! I all the players that think like Chris. You had your chance and now when the definition has changed - you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 @TedStarkey Worth noting that despite the rhetoric, this is the most consecutive days the NHL and NHLPA have talked in a row since the lockout began. Just looking at the bright side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs2016 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 LP Does anyone remember or have a link to the thread that showed how to get the last page while on mobile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everybody Hates Raymond Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Sam Carchidi @BroadStBull Mediator apparently pulling an all-nighter to try to get #NHL negotiations back on track.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stexx Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Sam Carchidi @BroadStBull Mediator apparently pulling an all-nighter to try to get #NHL negotiations back on track.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedated Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 There is one MASSIVE flaw with the players trying to say the NHL was trying to pull a fast one. If the NHLPA released the documents, and pointed this out, they could crap all over the NHL in the press and everything. They'd have the NHL's balls in a vice. But the fact that Fehr won't comment, and the fact that they're not releasing anything or showing anything, just makes it seem like an attempt to smear and an excuse to start up another DOI/decertification vote. As for this stuff going to court.. do you know why the NHL launched all those pre-emptive lawsuits and strikes? It's because they're ready. Think about it like this. A huge, huge corportation in the league, with all of it's lawyers, run by a lawyer.. several WEALTHY, not rich owners with their own labels and potential groups of lawyers, against some 'rich' players. Couple this in against twitter, which has players calling for the owner's head, flashing massive amounts of cash around, and spreading around unfounded crap on top of a bunch of players playing in other leagues, and you've just given wealthy lawyers and their lawyers all the ammuntion they really need. If it really went to court, there's a huge possibility of the NHLPA and the players as a whole getting bent over. Back to my original report though. I think it's a BS smear thing that Fehr came up with to kickstart another vote. I don't know how it can be 'fair' negotiating when they keep bringing up votes in the middle of negotiations and mediations. On top of trying to smear the NHL with 'changing things' and playing dirty, then not even talking about it and having overly loud and somewhat foolish sounding players parrot it and sound angry and bent out of shape about something that was already agreed upon and fixed anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs2016 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Sam Carchidi @BroadStBull Mediator apparently pulling an all-nighter to try to get #NHL negotiations back on track.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 at least the babysitter is earning his pay. unfortunately for him he is dealing with a bunch of children that dont want to eat their vegetables at dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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