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Your grasp of business economics leaves a lot to be desired. I suggest you go to mainstreet and ask some questions. Absolutely brutal conclusions.

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How about since there are three sides to all this the revenue should be split 33% to Owners - 33% to Players - 33% back to fans. With the remaining 1% going to me for thinking of such a great idea!

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The biggest issue in my opinion is the fact that all parties forget they are benefitting from the builders of the past who devoted their lives to create what they have the been lucky to be a part of.

The owners should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to let Bettman represent them. The commissioner should be someone who holds the best interests of the league, it's future and it's history as a responsibility and honour bestowed upon them. Not someone who acts like a divorce lawyer hired on their behalf to get money, which they willingly gave out, back.

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Everyone's feeling the pain except the people who can do anything about it. :(

For anyone who hasn't seen them, there are already some great parody songs about the NHL lockout on YouTube:

Parody of "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together." (Be sure to watch to the very end.)

Parody of "The Good Ole Hockey Game."

Parody of "I'm Yours" (This guy shares my stance on not buying ANY merchandise this year if there's a lockout that costs games. Not giving them our money is the ONLY way fans can voice our displeasure at this avoidable situation.)

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There are a goodly number of posters on here who seem to take comfort in ignoring the simple economics of running a business. Not once have I seen a comment on what a fair return would be for invested capital in this business. The contridiction of the typical Canadian response to a situation is damn the 'billionaire owners' and let's forget about the 600 NHLers who are carving up $1.8 billion in salaries every year. As per typical union fare their operating costs are nil as the teams pick up all their day to day costs. Fair enough to point out the time and even money they spent to get to the NHL as they learnt their craft in taxpayer subsidized arenas across Canada.

What is also laughable is this ranting about teams who spend to the CBA max on salaries. The max/min levels were created to protect both the players and teams. Canadian fans have very short memories as it was not that long ago when every team in Canada other than the TO Laffers were going broke (that includes MOntreal). If the CBA was in place back then the Jets and Nords might have survived. Why don't blind player supporters call out Canuck ownership and those sob's the Acquillini brothers. You know them. They were the guys who plopped down about $300 m to McCaw for a franchise that was going nowhere. The guys who spent $2 M on a new training center at GM place for their millionaire employees. The guys who beefed up all aspects of the Canuck org to the tune of $3 - 4 M a year because Mike Gillis said they needed it. More scouts, goalie coach, fitness trainers, diet specialists, sleep specialist, oxygen chamber, charter flights not just for the Canucks but for the Moose/Wolves, player contracts to the max 50 contracts, bumping up the endowment of the Canuck Community foundation. And yes the same guys who have spent to the max CBA level to pay players who might win Van a CUP. Why should we care if these guys are making money or not? If they weren't making money I guess they could flip this team to, I know, McCaw, who wanted to move it to Seattle all along!

The union mentality never surprises me. It inevitably lowers all endeavor to the lowest common denominator. If the NHLPA was seriously concerned about the health of the game and not solely the amount of $s they were taking from it their demands would be much clearer. All they did was freeze the bottom line on their take and simply cut their take of 'anticipated' revenue increases.

IMHO if they were serious partners they would have negociated form a budget basis which would have included a ROI figure for ownership. The only negociated varibles would be players % take and owners ROI % take. Even at that the ROI varible could not be as flexible as salaries as businesses that don't make money ultimately disappear. At the end of the day wages are a cost of doing business just like the cost of maintaining ice in an arena.

The ultimate irony is the anticipated exodus of these union stallwarts to Euroland to take jobs from other hockey players. Let's see another WHA or a player owned league start up to show those greedy owners how to do things right. No it won't happen becuase they couldn't make it work before and quite frankly don't know how.

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Any one notice the players don't appear on the Canucks website background anymore? Is this because of the lockout? I checked through some of the other teams' website as well, seems they have the same thing.

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This I what I hate about you owner supporters, do you not realize the owners have hundreds of other businesses that make them money while the players have only a few. The acquallinis own a good portion of the valley and take in cash like its nobodies business from farm land to half a dozen companies and can pay for what ever they want. And that's not all they have more businesses in the states and other countries so stop blaming the players for going to the highest bidder, it's not their fault the owners go so far out of their way to get players. Which is why I support the Canucks one the few teams that stay good on their budget and still run one of the best teams while others throw money aroun and have squat to show for it in terms of profit and skill

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From what I gathered, NHL-affiliated pages (ie. Canucks.com, NHL.com) aren't allowed to put up any pics/likenesses of NHLPA personnel - this includes players.

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It does not matter what other businees owner's own. If that is the case then are the owner's suppost to give all their employee's of every business they own 57% of revenue? Remember these owner's remit income tax and CPP off these players cheques to the CRA and that has to add up to quite a little sum.

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This I what I hate about you owner supporters, do you not realize the owners have hundreds of other businesses that make them money while the players have only a few. The acquallinis own a good portion of the valley and take in cash like its nobodies business from farm land to half a dozen companies and can pay for what ever they want. And that's not all they have more businesses in the states and other countries so stop blaming the players for going to the highest bidder, it's not their fault the owners go so far out of their way to get players. Which is why I support the Canucks one the few teams that stay good on their budget and still run one of the best teams while others throw money aroun and have squat to show for it in terms of profit and skill

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well it won't make a difference but this lockout is the last straw for me of course i will still watch the game but i won't go to any games i won't pay for any merchandise anymore in face i am considering selling my jerseys at this point because i have simply had enough both sides are guilty of being greedy and its downright pathetic that their arguing over how much money they should get from us fans yes a 50/50 split would be great to get to and i have no idea why the players don't look at how much their making compared to the rest of the world because even league minimum is more than enough to live off of very comfortably end rant

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Just a question but say a team signed a RFA to an offer sheet at 11:59 on Saturday right before the cba expired would the original team be able to match? Because there is now a freeze on player movement.

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well it won't make a difference but this lockout is the last straw for me of course i will still watch the game but i won't go to any games i won't pay for any merchandise anymore in face i am considering selling my jerseys at this point because i have simply had enough both sides are guilty of being greedy and its downright pathetic that their arguing over how much money they should get from us fans yes a 50/50 split would be great to get to and i have no idea why the players don't look at how much their making compared to the rest of the world because even league minimum is more than enough to live off of very comfortably end rant

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What a load of sugar-coated BS this is:

Despite the expiration of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, the National Hockey League has been, and remains, committed to negotiating around the clock to reach a new CBA that is fair to the Players and to the 30 NHL teams.

Thanks to the conditions fostered by seven seasons under the previous CBA, competitive balance has created arguably the most meaningful regular season in pro sports; a different team has won the Stanley Cup every year; fans and sponsors have

agreed the game is at its best, and the League has generated remarkable growth and momentum. While our last CBA negotiation resulted in a seismic change in the League's economic system, and produced corresponding on-ice benefits, our current negotiation is focused on a fairer and more sustainable division of revenues with the Players -- as well as other necessary adjustments consistent with the objectives of the economic system we developed jointly with the NHL Players' Association seven years ago. Those adjustments are attainable through sensible, focused negotiation -- not through rhetoric.

This is a time of year for all attention to be focused on the ice, not on a meeting room. The League, the Clubs and the Players all have a stake in resolving our bargaining issues appropriately and getting the puck dropped as soon as possible. We owe it to each other, to the game and, most of all, to the fans.

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The Yankees for all their spending have ONE world series in the last 12 years, the Mets spend almost as much, ONE APPEARANCE since 1986, Milwaukee won the NL central last year, Cinncinnati is running away with it this year, the Orioles are breathing down the Yankees necks right now, no labour strife since 1994, seems to me baseball has a system that keeps the players on the field. It is a system of voluntary revenue sharing, spend over this much and you have to help out the teams you are trying to destroy. A progressive luxury tax seem to be the way to keep everyone reasonably happy. Spend this much over pay this rate, go over the next level pay a higher rate, that or a system of transfer fee's like Euro soccer has, sign a free agent, pay a transfer fee to the team you poached him from.

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