-Vintage Canuck- Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 The 1994-95 lockout ended on Jan. 11 and season started on Jan. 20. So there's a chance lockout can end soon with the way things have gone in the past 2 days or so. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Via SamJam RT - a THN hockey columnist is swirling the rumor that staff there have been told to get ready for a Dec 1st puck drop....looks more and more they'll be some sort of season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 @reporterchris Gary Bettman: “Every day that passes I think is critical for the game and our fans.” @reporterchris Donald Fehr: "I'm not going to characterize (talks) except to say that it's always better when you're meeting than when you're not." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I have already explained it repeatedly . Im sure you will get it if you think about it for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I think any proposed deal based on anticipated increased revenue could be illusionary. The economy is headed for another downturn. Maybe this time the fans will be the ones who walk away. I am not suggesting a boycot I am simply saying the cost of tickets will exceed ability to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Are you using Republican math? 50% is less than 57%. The cap is set because of the players' percentage. You can't lower their percentage but keep the cap the same. It's a mathematical impossibility. Are you perhaps confused that "make whole" would not part of the cap, at least until the years it's paid out? Delaying payments on portions of salary for an indefinite amount of time is not the same as "keeping the cap the same." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 the league had proposed "freezing" the cap for the first year at least in order to stop teams from dumping players all over the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 hmmm let's see, the players want 50/50 in 3 yrs, the league wants it in the first year ... jeez, there MUST be some kind of middle ground here, but what could it be?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 League, union meet more than five hours and agree to meet again Friday: NEW YORK — The best that can be said about the ongoing NHL labor negotiations is that they are still going, and will continue for at least a fourth straight day. The league and the locked-out players’ association got back together today and accomplished enough over five-plus hours to make plans to meet again Friday. “I am not going to discuss the negotiations or the substance of what we’re talking about,” NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said today on a wind-blown street corner. “I really don’t think that would be helpful to the process. “We have work to do, and my hope is that we can achieve the goal of getting a long-term, fair agreement in place as quickly as possible so we can play hockey.” Players’ association executive director Donald Fehr didn’t rule out talks stretching into the weekend, too. “All I can tell you is we have been meeting, and we will be meeting again (Friday),” he said. “I can’t say more than that. We haven’t talked about (the weekend), but if there is something to talk about then I expect we will be.” The lockout reached its 54th day, and this week is considered critical for the season to be saved. The work stoppage is threatening to force the second cancellation of an NHL season in seven years. Even if an agreement is reached soon, it isn’t clear if any of this season’s games that have been called off through Nov. 30 can be rescheduled. The NHL has already said a full 82-game season won’t be played. “Every day that passes, I think, is critical for the game and for our fans,” Bettman said. During a second consecutive day of marathon negotiations Wednesday, the players’ association made an offer on revenue sharing, in which richer teams would help out poorer organizations, and another proposal regarding the “make-whole” provision that would guarantee full payment of all existing multiyear player contracts. “There have been discussions over a wide range of topics,” Fehr said, while occupying the same location on the street that Bettman did. “We’re recessed for the night and we will be getting back together (Friday). I am not going to comment in the substance of the discussions.” Fehr also declined to say if he felt progress was made in the latest long round of discussions at a Manhattan law firm — the location of the negotiations that had been kept secret until today. “I am not going to characterize it except to say, as I have before, that its always better when you’re meeting than when you’re not,” he said. Today’s discussions marked the fourth time in six days that face-to-face negotiations have taken place after both sides rejected proposals Oct. 18. The lockout, which began Sept. 16 after the collective bargaining agreement expired, has forced the cancellation of 327 regular-season games, including the New Year’s Day Winter Classic in Michigan. It was unclear if the NHL made counterproposals to offers it received from the union on Wednesday. The belief is that the players’ association has agreed to a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues, but that even division wouldn’t kick in until the third year of the deal. “Collective bargaining is a process, and it has peaks and valleys and ebbs and flows,” Bettman said. “It is very tough to handicap.” It was also difficult for the NHL and the union to keep the location of the talks hidden. Today it was revealed that negotiations were being conducted at the law offices of Proskauer Rose — the firm of NHL lead counsel Bob Batterman. Revenue sharing and the make-whole provision are major hurdles in the way of making a deal. On Wednesday, the sides spent more than five hours dealing with the most contentious areas. Coupled with the more than seven hours they spent negotiating Tuesday, owners and players were together about 13 hours this week before reconvening today. There is clearly still much to be done to work out the differences to reach a deal that will allow the already delayed and shortened season to begin. Along with a handful of team owners, eight players attended Wednesday’s talks, five fewer than Tuesday. Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby and others left New York to try to avoid the impending snowstorm that hit the area, the union said. Today, seven players were in attendance, according to the NHLPA, and at least three owners. In October, the players’ association responded to an NHL offer with three of its own, but all of those were quickly dismissed by the league. That led to nearly three weeks without face-to-face discussions, although the parties kept in regular contact by phone. Both sides have made proposals that included a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues. The NHL has moved toward the players’ side in the “make-whole” provision and whose share of the economic pie that money will come from. Along with the split of hockey-related revenue and other core economic issues, contract lengths, arbitration and free agency also must be agreed upon. The union accepted a salary cap in the previous labor pact, which wasn’t reached until after the entire 2004-05 season was canceled because of a lockout. The union doesn’t want to absorb the majority of concessions this time after the NHL had record revenue that exceeded $3 billion last season. http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2012/11/nhl_lockout_league_union_meet.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Well, at least they're meeting and will meet again tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Well, at least they're meeting and will meet again tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Their idea of negotiation seems to be to extend and reject offers back and forth. Instead of doing that, they should be finding a common ground and building off of it. All they're doing by constantly rejecting each others proposals is creating bad blood. The key word of the CBA is collective, meaning both sides have to work together on an agreement. Somehow I don't see the NHL being humble enough to accept a deal put forth by the players. The only way this thing gets done is if the players accept a deal put forth by the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Their idea of negotiation seems to be to extend and reject offers back and forth. Instead of doing that, they should be finding a common ground and building off of it. All they're doing by constantly rejecting each others proposals is creating bad blood. The key word of the CBA is collective, meaning both sides have to work together on an agreement. Somehow I don't see the NHL being humble enough to accept a deal put forth by the players. The only way this thing gets done is if the players accept a deal put forth by the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 See my last post. NHL aren't bargaining out of humility, they're over a barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 19 minutes ago @aaronward_nhl: According to NHLPA source,and reported by @LouisJean_TVA,Union feels today's proposals were NOT rejected,rather countered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mauii Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The NHL's thought process is truly perplexing and down right mind boggling...so they find themselves and put themselves in these financially detrimental situations be it the sunbelt teams or choosing to lock out players or signing players to contracts they can't afford and then expect everyone else be it the players to pay for their financial mistakes??? Who in their right mind would agree to that? They act with no accountability and then expect everyone else to pay for their mistakes/choices. Is this NHL's modus operandi for running a professional sports league? These matters were caused and created by the league and so should be resolved and handled internally by the league not the players. Get your 50/50 split but at the very least honor the contracts...and remember it was you who chose to lock out the players...the loss in revenue was again your doing, your problem and not the players. They need to be accountable for their choices, to do otherwise is just poor business practice/management. No wonder they haven't come to a deal because the NHLP is not about to pay for the NHL's financial mistakes...and the NHL is not about to look at the NHLP's proposal as it will highly unlikely include paying for NHL's financial mistakes. Until the NHL can accept responsibility for their own financial problems and take it off the table to be handled internally, then both parties can begin negotiating in good faith matters more relevant to the players, and not fixing the leagues financial woes, and come to a fair deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The NHL's thought process is truly perplexing and down right mind boggling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauii Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 You have to keep in mind some of the dynamic here. The NHL did not sign any of those players to their contracts. Individual teams do that. The only time the teams come together as a single entity is when they are trying to work out a new CBA. For all the remaining time, they are competitors. This is why the situation is not as simple as some people want to make it out to be. There are several teams that can afford the kinds of contracts we have been seeing. There are several that cannot. But they all have to operate with the same CBA and they are all competing to win the same trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Again, all those internal problems ie. team revenue sharing, players contracts need to be resolved internally by the league and by the team itself...all the players need to be concerned about is that their contracts are honored and their percentage of HRR. As an employee all I know is I get paid a steady cheque, the company is not going to place the burden/responsibility of their financial problems and contract issues on me because it's not my responsibility, it's the company's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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