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#4051 WHL rocks

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

NHL wants a 10 year CBA. while Players want a shorter deal.

I think even Poetica will agree with me on this one that 10 years deal is the way to go. For us fans the longer CBA the better.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

What's the difference between me, and a promise to Glendale city council? NHL officials actually intend to stand behind me.


-@NHLPodium


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:28 PM

NHL wants a 10 year CBA. while Players want a shorter deal.

I think even Poetica will agree with me on this one that 10 years deal is the way to go. For us fans the longer CBA the better.


but what does the podium want..?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:29 PM

LOL all this speculation about a freaking PODIUM gah! This is going to be intense.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

LOL all this speculation about a freaking PODIUM gah! This is going to be intense.

This is kinda like the Doan saga with all the suspense. Hopefully it has a better ending ;)
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:32 PM

nothing reliable, but there's a lot of people speculating the podium is for a press conference tomorrow morning to announce new CBA... don't hold your breath though.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:32 PM

NHL wants a 10 year CBA. while Players want a shorter deal.

I think even Poetica will agree with me on this one that 10 years deal is the way to go. For us fans the longer CBA the better.


Yep. Even I don't want to talk about this crap again anytime soon. :)
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:35 PM

PUT MY FIST THROUGH THE DRYWALL
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

Maybe there's still hope.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Two sides are talking on and off, it's called negotiating. Nothing else to report for now. If that changes, we'll pass it along.



Please, Santa, let them be working out the final details!
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:39 PM

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The Podium has signed a 2-year deal with the Maple Leafs. Burke says it will compete with Reimer and Scrivens for starting job #podiumwatch

Lol.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:40 PM

The nuts and bolts of getting players back on the ice

Q. Can the two sides make a deal without Donald Fehr or Gary Bettman in the room?
A. Yes. Bettman works for the owners, Fehr works for the players, not the other way around. If they players want something, Fehr ought to follow along. Ditto the owners, who have the ability to give Bettman his marching orders. But be sure both will want to look over the deal before a final sign-off.
Q. How long will it take both sides to ratify?
A. Shouldn’t take long, and ratification — while an important step in labour situations involving, say, the auto industry — is more a formality in the world of sports. Bettman will recommend the deal to the board of governors, who generally rubber stamp things. (The NHL board of governors is very Politburo-like, with every decision announced as unanimous.) The players had not revealed how they would ratify, but a vote by phone or even email would probably suffice. Hard to imagine either side voting against a deal at this point.
Q. How long will it take between the time the two sides agree on a deal and the first puck dropped on the regular season?
A. About 10 days. Give the players two days to gather in their respective cities — remember some are coming from as far away as Russia — and let them have a camp of about a week.
Q. Will there be exhibition games?
A. Hard to know. Some teams, for sure, will try to schedule one or two. Can’t see any team scheduling more than two.
Q. How can players in Europe just leave their teams?
A. They ought to have lockout-protection clauses. Their European contracts all become null and void once a new collective bargaining agreement is in place. None should have any issues returning to North America.
Q. What about Alex Ovechkin? He said he’d stay in Russia if he didn’t like the new CBA.
A. Well, maybe that was just part of the bargaining process. After all, there are international transfer agreements in place that would be violated if Ovechkin — or any player under an NHL contract — refused to report. Put this one in the “wait-and-see” category.
Q. What would the schedule look like?
A. Two guesses here, but most likely the NHL would pick up where it left off, squeeze games in where it can and add games in April. It would mean an unbalanced schedule. Another idea is to play conference games only (the league did it this way in 1995 in a 48-game, lockout-shortened season). Either way, look for the Stanley Cup to played later in June.
Q. How long will the season be?
A. If they get a deal done before the end of 2012, the season could be as long as 60 games. There is talk the NHL has a 56-game schedule prepared.
Q. What’s going to happen to Team Canada’s entry at the world junior tournament?
A. It will go from a tremendously talent-rich squad to one that’s less rich in talent. About six or eight won’t come to camp so that they can play in the NHL. That’s why Hockey Canada invited 37 — way more than usual.
Q. Can they still play the Winter Classic?
A. No. They can play games on Jan. 1, but there’s no way to revive the outdoor game at the University of Michigan. There is too much involved logistically, not to mention the NHL has reneged on its contract with the university by not having made advance payments. Watch for that game in 2014.
Q. If the lockout ends, how long will it take Roberto Luongo to report to the Leafs?
A. What? What do you know? Trades, and free-agent signings, will start almost immediately. The parameters of the new CBA will determine how easy or hard it will be to trade for players, like Luongo, who have massive contracts.
Q. What’s the first order of business for general managers?
A. Signing their restricted free agents and getting hold of the unrestricted free agents they might want. There was a slew of signings before the old collective bargaining agreement expired, but each team has two or three players unsigned. About 150 players — roughly 20 per cent of the NHLPA’s membership — remain unsigned.
Q. Who are the big-name unrestricted free agents?
A. “Big name” is a bit of a stretch in the UFA pool. But Mathieu Darche, Chris Campoli, Dominic Moore, Brian Rolston, Daymond Langkow and Jason Blake are useful parts on any team.
Q. What about restricted free agents?
A. The list here is much smaller, but more intriguing. The Leafs have one in Cody Franson. Montreal has to get P.K. Subban signed. Michael Del Zotto of the Rangers and Ryan O’Reilly of the Avalanche are also unsigned.
Q. Does any team have an advantage in the regular season due to a lockout-shortened season?
A. The guess is that young, fast teams who had a lot of players active (either in Europe or the American Hockey League) will have a leg up. Edmonton’s young guns are going great in Oklahoma City. Boston’s Tyler Seguin was having a great year in Switzerland. And let’s not discount the Maple Leafs with Matt Frattin and Nazem Kadri playing well with the Marlies.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:45 PM

^ the free agent points are the best part. That's a lot of free agents.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:53 PM

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Still a chance that the two sides will meet again tonight.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

I guess there would be a mini free agency/trade deadline day before the season started.

Could be interesting to see based on what is in the new CBA.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

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Leaked reports say the #NHL looking at playing on #Xmas day. This, of course, if the lock out is settled
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:55 PM

I can tell VC wants to be the one to break it. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU DO IT VC, I WILL BREAK IT FIRST
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

I can tell VC wants to be the one to break it. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU DO IT VC, I WILL BREAK IT FIRST


Nah, I just miss hockey!

Well, who doesn't?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:57 PM

I dun care as long as SOMEBODY breaks it for me lol

This forum is probably one of the fastest ways to get breaking news by just hitting refresh without doing any searching!
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:58 PM

We will see what happens as far as who gets the biggest boost... Will it be the rosters that have been together the longest? Or young run-and-gun teams who have less built up chemistry?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:59 PM

I dun care as long as SOMEBODY breaks it for me lol

This forum is probably one of the fastest ways to get breaking news by just hitting refresh without doing any searching!


Seriously, it's like a modded twitter, with meta-judging of accuracy. Best NHL source on the web.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:01 PM

Tweets from BMac:

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Edited by Nas19, 05 December 2012 - 09:03 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

@TheNYRBlog
Source telling me NHL podium in hotel is for press conference tomorrow announcing CBA agreement.

Not sure how reliable this guy is. He has over 5000 followers. I can't tell!!

Tomorrow as in 12:00 am ET?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:09 PM

Is bobs twitter profile thing a dark knight reference?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:10 PM

if it's so sensitive just put some lidocaine on it.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:12 PM

Is bobs twitter profile thing a dark knight reference?



i dont think so, its a reference to a song by the tragically hip called the dark canuck.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:17 PM

So they are still meeting as far as we know?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:18 PM

So they are still meeting as far as we know?


Correct.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:19 PM

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:19 PM

Correct.


wow... how many hours is this?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:21 PM

NHL, players finally look like they’re trying to make a deal

For all the potentially apocalyptic threats that have been floated out into the air — a refusal by NHL players to even negotiate a salary cap, a refusal by owners to give a dollar more, and to a far lesser extent decertification, all various forms of dynamite strapped to the bridge footings of hockey — the latest National Hockey League lockout was always destined for a fairly simple choice.

There was always going to be a point when owners and the players would have to make a choice between playing the season or blowing it up. Simple. At some point you run out of time to cram in a shortened, pressure-packed, how-it-probably-should-be schedule, and delivering gloomy threats doesn’t really get you anything but another wasted day. The NHL lockout, as it lumbers into December, is approaching that point.

And maybe that is why Wednesday night in New York, 81 days into the lockout, the two sides began negotiating. Offers were exchanged and countered. Terms were discussed and hammered at and elasticized. Few details leaked out — it was reported the NHL wanted to push a new collective bargaining agreement to 10 years, at least partly to mitigate the impact of any make-whole provisions to honour existing contracts — but the owners went in and out and in and out of the room at the Westin Times Square like it was the world’s dullest Benny Hill sketch. It was the second straight day that the two sides met without NHL commissioner Gary Bettman or NHLPA executive director Don Fehr, after eight hours of what were universally described as positive informal talks on Tuesday.

It was, in short, collective bargaining. The players presented an offer in the early afternoon; the owners countered just after 4 p.m., and left after 15 minutes with a genial air about them to let the players mull it over. The owners’ negotiating committee of the day — Larry Tanenbaum of Toronto, Boston’s Jeremy Jacobs, Tampa’s Jeff Vinik, Winnipeg’s Mark Chipman, Calgary’s Murray Edwards and Pittsburgh’s Ron Burkle, the supposed saviour of Tuesday’s talks — came and went, came and went, as the assembled cameras captured B-roll and stills and reporters tried to decipher body language. In the room, the owners come and go, talking of how much they will owe.

The point, though, is that this how real negotiations are conducted, and that alone was progress. All the posturing and spin and theatre that has taken place during this lockout — the league offering a hammer to begin, the union offering three back-of-a-cocktail-napkin offers, the league storming out after 10 minutes, the duelling leaks and news conferences full of deeply rehearsed regret — was replaced on Tuesday by the relative silence of work.

Tuesday night, deputy commissioner Bill Daly and NHLPA deputy Steve Fehr stood side-by-side and addressed the media. Wednesday night, the media podium was disassembled, and then reassembled, and the back and forth went late into the evening. There were pessimistic rumblings, and tension, and a real sense that this might not happen, but that’s what happens when you’re actually exchanging proposals. This is what it looks like when you’re trying to make a deal.

And through all of it, the same undercurrent was present: This was a chance. While everybody cautioned that there was still a lot of work to do, this was an opportunity to actually lash together the component pieces of the deal that’s been lying there in the middle all this time. It’s not the last opportunity they will have; it’s not end times. But the idea of a 60-game season is still in play, however theoretically — and some sponsorship deals are said to be guaranteed if you play three-quarters of a season — and that meant this was a chance to actually compromise and make a deal.

Really, that chance always been in the cards, barring an act of insanity. On Tuesday, Pittsburgh’s Sidney Crosby and Burkle, along with the mystical presence of Mario Lemieux, were said to be instrumental in brokering a better, more progress-friendly tone. When Alexander Ovechkin was quoted Wednesday as telling a Russian outlet that there was “no progress,” while essentially admitting that he had no clue what was actually occurring, it was so funny that it felt almost scripted. The Crosby-Ovechkin rivalry lives!

Of course, the whole thing feels scripted, at times. It’s easy to imagine this as just another section of the Proskauer Rose playbook, since the worker-crushing law firm has mounted this production before in last year’s negotiations with the NFL and NBA. This breakthrough in negotiations occurred after Bettman suggested the meeting without himself and Fehr, and wouldn’t Burkle be a fine choice as the good cop to Jacobs’s bad cop? The NBA signed its new deal on Dec. 8 of last year, after some frantic negotiating in late November; you could be forgiven for thinking that actually making a deal was just the pre-planned scenario the league was driven to after 80 days of being frustrated by Fehr’s stubborn refusal to bargain on their terms, or be vilified in the public eye.

But then, these two sides have been steadily creeping closer in terms of actual dollars the whole time, and were only US$182-million apart based on the last proposal on Nov. 22, according to Fehr. All they need is a bridge across the gap and to avoid any explosions.

So this is a chance. If you squint and hope you could imagine a different sort of explosion is coming, a hockey Big Bang, when all of a sudden instead of make-whole provisions and HRR and lawyers, we will be talking about goaltending and line combinations and a season where just about every team will sprint flat-out for 50 or 60 games, and it will be like watching roller derby, even more than usual. (When asked if Vegas should favour the over for groin pulls, one player said, “That’s a safe bet.”)

But what is in play here is the good vibes of Tuesday, the first real good vibes of this entire lockout, where both sides peered over the cliff and decide that hey, maybe it’s best not to fall. There’s a chance here, and what a shame it would if anybody loses their balance, and that chance floats away.


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