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#4261 RunningWild

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

"Term on contract limits is the hill we will die on"... Daly

Edit: Also sounds to me like things are getting to personal. It's why you hire a neutral party to handle negotiations. The owners had the feelings hurt and wanted to walk out of the room cause they didn't like the players response? That's what you call childs play.

Edited by RunningWild, 06 December 2012 - 06:01 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

Player contract limit is the hill we will die on (paraphrased from Daly)
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

How Gary Bettman still has a job is baffling. Good luck filling up your pockets when you cancel another season and treat hockey fans like pieces of crap!
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:01 PM

I burst out laughing at Gary's last response, pure comedy.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:02 PM

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:lol:

Omg I'm almost crying I don't know why but that hit a nerve.

Ahhh so funny.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

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Bettman confirms make whole payments off the table. That's $300 million.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

The news conference is live on TSN.ca right now. http://www.tsn.ca/li...759560&i=759560

Edited by cs2016, 06 December 2012 - 06:07 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

Everyone, I told you so. There won't be a season this year. Now, watch this lockout to drag on for 2 seasons.

You've been informed.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:06 PM

Ya, never seen Gary like this. He's irrational and out of control. They better take a day to calm down before they make any decisions. Cause as it stands now, things will go nuclear.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:06 PM

"Were at a loss to explain what happened" - GB

What this really means is: I can't think of an excuse dumb enough to justify our stubbornness.


Edit:

"We keep giving and giving and giving"

Can someone please go up there and please explain to him that they have given nothing compared to the what the PA has

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 06 December 2012 - 06:08 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

So the NHL's position on CBA length and contracting issues is "We'll only give you a 10 year CBA (which the players don't want) if you agree to everything else we say." Great deal!!
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

If Oct.11 was Bettman's "drop-dead date", then why did they start negotiating so late and low-ball the NHLPA with a horrendous initial offer?!?
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

"They turned to a man they didnt fully understand. Some union bosses cant be baught or bullied....some just want to watch the world burn." NHLPA DARK KNIGHT JOKER

Edited by vancouverdepression, 06 December 2012 - 06:16 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

lol Bettman :lol:


He mad.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

Owners and NHL dont care because everyone comes back just like last time. Proof...Whats your favorite NHL team? Are you bashing them right now? Probably not lol


Hahaha have u taken a look around CDC.. At one point someone didnt think we need burrows lol

Back on topic, you can just see the type of spiteful person Bettman is by how agitated he gets when someone asks him a question he doesn't like and they way he answers it.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:09 PM

Does he seriously believe that the owners have given "all they can give?" They literally have not made a single concession in the entire process. They want us to believe that paying contracts they've already signed is a concession. It's not. Good lord what a tool.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:09 PM

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Bettman says the owners pushed hard on new deal last night. Bettman says union response last night was "shockingly silent."

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Bettman says owners last night in room were beside themselves at the players' reaction.



Seriously?! What is wrong with players? The owners said, "Give us this, this, this, this and this and we'll tell everyone we're honoring what we promised to give you but actually giving you less." And they responded with less than giddish delight?

Those poor, poor billionaires with their poor, poor hurt feelings.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:10 PM

Really thought crap was getting done when Fehr said there was an agreement in dollars.

The last few days have really turned my support against the owners and Bettman. I have no idea what concessions he thinks they've given, but I don't see them.


No idea what the frack happened, but it's clear now that there can't be a deal made for this season. I didn't think there was going to be one anyway, but the false hope we received today kind of pisses me off.

Edited by Jai604, 06 December 2012 - 06:13 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

well seasons over. what a ???? joke this league is.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

If Oct.11 was Bettman's "drop-dead date", then why did they start negotiating so late and low-ball the NHLPA with a horrendous initial offer?!?


LOL, no kidding.


"I believe the NFL has had 4 work stoppages"

All time, vs 3 in the NHL since u got here, which is less than 20 years. That comparison just made you look even worse Gary.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:14 PM

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#CBA Make whole payments and all items added by NHL this week are now off the table


So they're taking their slightly lowered list of new demands and going home?
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:14 PM

Good lord he is disintegrating on live TV.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:17 PM

What a load of crap. Idiots like Bettman, Fehr, and Jacobs need to go, and they need to go now!
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:17 PM

Gary Bettman responds to NHLPA proposal


Shortly after Donald Fehr said he had been advised by the league that the NHLPA’s latest proposal was “not acceptable,” Gary Bettman addressed the media:

- The sense of optimism “almost inexplicably” disappeared on Wednesday afternoon after having such a good day on Tuesday.

- Owners pushed hard to get a new deal last night and the union’s response was “shockingly silent.”

- Owners in the room were beside themselves at the players’ reaction.

- Key was to have a long-term agreement with the players. “That’s what our fans deserve.”

- League is going to take a deep breath and regroup.

- "Things that we added this week are off the table.”

- The Make Whole provision in its entirety as a concept is off the table.

- Denies that the league has set a drop-dead date for cancelling the season, not even internally.

Bill Daly's remarks:

- Said five-year player contract limits hugely important to NHL, as is 10-year CBA term

- Term limit on player contracts is so important to league, it’s “the hill we’ll die on.”

- Owners were “insulted” by players’ reaction to NHL’s offer last night.

- Confirmed the league dropped proposed changes to entry level, arbitration and unrestricted free agency, but keeping that the same is now off the table.


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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:17 PM

LOOOOLLL. But, Don Fehr, we are close to a deal right?


LOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:17 PM

The only thing that's twitchier than Bettman is that makeshift microphone...
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:17 PM

I can't stand Bettman, it baffles me how the owners still support this buffoon.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

"Going back to an Era where the league is struggling an unsuccessful is not something we want"

Your doing it with this waste of time you call the lockout Gary.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

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Gary Bettman on decertification/disclaimer: "We don't view it in the same way in terms of its impact as apparently the union may."


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