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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

The quiet before the storm perhaps?


Aslong as the 'storm' isnt the NHL and NHLPA whining to the media after the meeting. lol
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

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Oh what has the lockout done.


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it's funny when his mouth is closed.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:50 PM

This is way too intense, come oooooon report some good news!
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

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League is waiting for players reaction to their response tonight. Both sides are currently in caucus.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:03 PM

This is way too intense, come oooooon report some good news!

God the hope from the negotiations in early December is coming back and we all know how that turned out...


Pierre LeBrun@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Hearing both sides disappointed with lack of true movement in each other's new positions today... Key is to keep talking though..

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

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Just had a player tell me by fighting for higher cap number in 2013-2014 the #NHLPA is also fighting on behalf of a number of #NHL owners
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:12 PM

^^^ LMAO. Dregger @ IKEA!!
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

i don't expect a deal tonight. Let the players disclaim and call their bluff. If I'm Bettman I wouldn't move another inch.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

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Just had a player tell me by fighting for higher cap number in 2013-2014 the #NHLPA is also fighting on behalf of a number of #NHL owners

believe it 100% that is obvious
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:22 PM

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Just had a player tell me by fighting for higher cap number in 2013-2014 the #NHLPA is also fighting on behalf of a number of #NHL owners


The Aquilini's are definitely one of those owners.

How can the cap drop 10 million in one season and not cause major disruptions to teams? It's ridiculous. Bettman is again trying to create more parity as the teams he put in place get worse and worse.

And all the work that a team like the Canucks have done to manage the cap and get the most out of it, will just be wiped out.

They need a better transition. It should be 65 million next season, and 60 million the season after. If they wanna lower the cap floor by more next season so be it, but you can't punish teams because they have money and spent it.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:26 PM

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talks not going well as per pierre lebrun, they will keep talking though #NHL #nhlpa #lockout #CBA
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

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The #NHL has said they will not continue bargaining with The Fuhr Brothers if the #NHLPA files for a Disclaimer
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

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The #NHL has said they will not continue bargaining with The Fuhr Brothers if the #NHLPA files for a Disclaimer


Umm, filing a disclaimer of interest would mean the FEHR brothers would no longer represent the union.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

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Oh what has the lockout done.


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it's funny when his mouth is closed.

These Dreger photoshops are killing me. Too funny.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

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The #NHL has said they will not continue bargaining with The Fuhr Brothers if the #NHLPA files for a Disclaimer

I'd hope so. They'd be better off bargaining with the Fehr brothers. Too bad they can't do that either as that's what a disclaimer of interest is.

Why are you even posting stuff from someone's random twitter account anyway?

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

Umm, filing a disclaimer of interest would mean the FEHR brothers would no longer represent the union.


This is referring to what happened when the NBAPA filed their disclaimer of interest, they got the NBA to sign an agreement that leadership could continue to negotiate after disclaimer, then they resolved it a few days later. NHL is just saying there's no chance of this happening with them.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:39 PM

Can someone please explain how a cap of $65 mill vs $60 mill affects the bottom line for players or owners? Players will still get only 50% of HRR. If cap is higher the escrow deductions will be higher.

I know a while back the PA wanted a guaranteed cap regardless of 50%. The NHL said it was a non starter. As of a couple of days ago both Aron Ward and Dregger said this was not something NHL would agree to but the players still wanted. Essentially this would de couple the players' share from 50% of HRR.

If the players are no longer asking for limit on escrow (which I think they still are ) it should not matter how much the cap limit is because the owners will get it back in escrow.

As a fan its a huge benefit to me if the cap is lower because this means high spending teams will be forced to release (buy out or trade) some of their players who will end up in markets with less talent and improve those teams. Who really looks forward to watching the Canucks play CBJ but if they got a couple of good players because of this it would be a better match up, kinda like the Wild getting Suter and Parise would make us look forward to MIN vs VAN games. It would create parity which IMO is great as a fan.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

So I am looking at the current schedule and working out what still needs to be added/changed.

So with a 19th start date:



1. EDM - 3/4 games need to be added
2. CAL - 3/4 games needed
3. AVS - 3/4 games needed
4. MIN - 3/4 games needed
5. DET - away game needed
6. CHI - one game changed
7. CBJ - away game needed
8. NSH - games set.
9. STL - away game needed
10. ANH - games set.
11. DAL - games set.
12. PHX - two games changed
13. SJ - games set.
14. LA - one game changed
15. EAST - two games changed
16. AWAY - 7 games added
17. HOME - 5 games added

So as far as scheduling goes, we have it fairly well. 16/18 east games have been passed already so those two slots just need to find a suiter to play. 4 series' are already set, the biggest challenge is adding games to make a very condensed schedule.

I would assume 1 game would be added to the 19th for all teams not playing on that day, and 2 games added during the all-star break. but that still leaves 8 games needed to be added. There are only two other occurances in this short period of times where the canucks have more than 2 days rest, so lets assume a game is added to each. This leaves us with 6 games needed still. So it is safe to say the playoffs will probably not be starting until may this year.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

^^^ LMAO. Dregger @ IKEA!!


Draeger is an idiot. The only source of info he has is the owners. Has no connection to the players side what so ever.

Edited by The-Impersonator, 02 January 2013 - 08:43 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:47 PM

seems like stuff filtering out... sounding like disaster... but ive never followed twitter feed before...lol.... so yea...
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

This is referring to what happened when the NBAPA filed their disclaimer of interest, they got the NBA to sign an agreement that leadership could continue to negotiate after disclaimer, then they resolved it a few days later. NHL is just saying there's no chance of this happening with them.


The whole point of the disclaimer is that the union would no longer represent the players, therefore players could file antitrust suits individually.

If they file a disclaimer of interest it's over. Season's done, and negotiations likely wouldn't continue until the players found new representation.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

LOL #Dregerface trending on Twitter.

Here are some of the best ones so far.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:00 PM

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

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NHL fans filed their disclaimer of interest a while ago



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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

@tpanotchCSN: Just hit 11 p.m. NHLPA has an hour left to decide on filing "disclaimer of interest"
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

I hope the NHL agrees to a more transitional drop to the cap. The quickly lowered cap punishes high spending teams, even if they were spending within their means, by making them move players they might not want to just to fit under the cap. It would really only help mid spending teams as they would be in the position to pick up great players they might not have had a chance at before if they're willing and able to afford them. The one weird part, though, would seem to be low spending teams. With the new no bonus floor, they might not see much savings. Plus, they say they need to spend less, not more, so one wouldn't expect them to after big players, but they may find fewer, or lower quality, cheap players available as the high spending teams snatch them up to fill the new holes in their rosters.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

@tpanotchCSN: Just hit 11 p.m. NHLPA has an hour left to decide on filing "disclaimer of interest"


Alot of fans on twitter seem to be confused in thinking that either side is going to agree to a deal because of this deadline.

Maybe people got a little too hyped up from the fiscal cliff talk?
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:11 PM

This is referring to what happened when the NBAPA filed their disclaimer of interest, they got the NBA to sign an agreement that leadership could continue to negotiate after disclaimer, then they resolved it a few days later. NHL is just saying there's no chance of this happening with them.

The whole point of the disclaimer is that the union would no longer represent the players, therefore players could file antitrust suits individually.

If they file a disclaimer of interest it's over. Season's done, and negotiations likely wouldn't continue until the players found new representation.

I question more the capability of the person quoted as tweeting the Fuhr borthers (not the first time he'd sent a tweet with that instead of Fehr) wouldn't be negotiated with afterward.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

I don't know why they would file a disclaimer of interest now. From what Bob McKenzie was saying they can just let this deadline pass and re-vote and file one later. Might as well wait until the season is lost if they were ever gonna do that.
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