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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

Ok so as a review, Centre for Disease Control. The issues at hand:

- Length of CBA (players want 7-8 year max, owners want 10 year max - opt out option at 8 year)
- Make whole amount (players want 393m, owners offer 300m with 50m in pension - both are contingent upon 10 year deal)
- Salary cap for 2013/14 season (seems to be the biggest issue, players want 65m cap, owners 60m - though having no cap on escrow shouldn't create such an issue)
- Pension (seems to have popped up recently, current proposal has players paying pension)
- Max contract length and variance (players want 8 year contract max, owners want 6 year max - 7 for RFA, current variance proposal is 30%)
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

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It sounds like players have agreed to 10-year CBA with mutual out after Year 8. Were previously looking for the out after Year 7.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

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Although this is a small group meeting, told they are talking about the big issues. Past point of needing small groups on individual issues.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

Ok so as a review, Centre for Disease Control. The issues at hand:

- Length of CBA (players want 7-8 year max, owners want 10 year max - opt out option at 8 year)
- Make whole amount (players want 393m, owners offer 300m with 50m in pension - both are contingent upon 10 year deal)
- Salary cap for 2013/14 season (seems to be the biggest issue, players want 65m cap, owners 60m - though having no cap on escrow shouldn't create such an issue)
- Pension (seems to have popped up recently, current proposal has players paying pension)
- Max contract length and variance (players want 8 year contract max, owners want 6 year max - 7 for RFA, current variance proposal is 30%)


these two issues have been agreed on.
saw a report this AM that the cap is going to be in the middle, around 63/64 but not confirmed.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:52 PM


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Told this has potential to be marathon session tonight... We shall see

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

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Told this has potential to be marathon session tonight... We shall see

At least they're talking.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

apparently both sides have agreed on a 63M cap, but can't find anything official
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:54 PM

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IF - BIG IF - deal gets done in next couple of days, they wouldn't have to wait to Jan. 19 to start. Could start sooner, maybe play 50 games
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:07 PM


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Disclaimer vote over. NHLPA is focusing on CBA talks for now and won't pull the trigger until they feel they have too.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Someone who I feel has "sense" of where things are just told me: "There's a bit of frenzy going on now that may not be entirely justified."

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Person wasn't being negative, just noting there seems to be a runaway train of optimism that may be a little excessive. Food for thought.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Someone who I feel has "sense" of where things are just told me: "There's a bit of frenzy going on now that may not be entirely justified."

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Person wasn't being negative, just noting there seems to be a runaway train of optimism that may be a little excessive. Food for thought.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:23 PM

Apparently a couple of days ago the PA spent 20 mins arguing and complaining about the quality of towels on road games.... lol

Really, this is what the big problem is?? The players don't get good enough towels while on road games?? speak about being spoiled brats..

Just in, PA has moved on to complaining over the quality of toilet paper.... 2 ply isn't good enough for their soft.....
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

Apparently a couple of days ago the PA spent 20 mins arguing and complaining about the quality of towels on road games.... lol

Really, this is what the big problem is?? The players don't get good enough towels while on road games?? speak about being spoiled brats..

Just in, PA has moved on to complaining over the quality of toilet paper.... 2 ply isn't good enough for their soft.....


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

Apparently a couple of days ago the PA spent 20 mins arguing and complaining about the quality of towels on road games.... lol

Really, this is what the big problem is?? The players don't get good enough towels while on road games?? speak about being spoiled brats..

Just in, PA has moved on to complaining over the quality of toilet paper.... 2 ply isn't good enough for their soft.....


stalling tactics
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

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Making progress. Not tonite but will be done. Motivation is to play more than 48 games..nice change in whats motivating each side.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

@TiredOfLockout: There is a BIG push right now by some in the #nhlpa to use the doi " right now, why wait!!?" Others want to negotiate all night

https://twitter.com/...697924589223937
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

Just in, PA has moved on to complaining over the quality of toilet paper.... 2 ply isn't good enough for their soft.....


Also just in: TP issue only came up because owners demanded players start paying for it.

More hot air sure to accompany this TP tussle....
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

Noses?


I was thinking delicate vaginas.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

stalling tactics


But I thought the players just want to play hockey, a game they love. It's the evil owners that locked them out.

Why would the players possibly want to stall??
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

I was thinking delicate vaginas.


Apparently we can't use medical terms for the human anatomy, I even made a thread about it.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:43 PM

Apparently we can't use medical terms for the human anatomy, I even made a thread about it.


Medical terms? You mean proper names?
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:56 PM

63.5 mill cap, no cap on escrow (no decoupling from hard cap), 6 years for own 7 for UFA contract length, 10 year CBA.

It's pretty much done. I wouldn't be surprised by announcement tonight.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

Medical terms? You mean proper names?


I've got some warning points for using penis and vulva. So yes, medical terms or proper names.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:15 PM

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Told that NHL finally moved off $60 M year 2 cap, however, still not enough for players.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:15 PM

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Told that NHL finally moved off $60 M year 2 cap, however, still not enough for players..

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The league and the union have now bean speaking for six hours. Looks like long night ahead of negotiations. #NHL #NHLPA
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:16 PM


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Told that NHL finally moved off $60 M year 2 cap, however, still not enough for players..

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

63.5 mill cap, no cap on escrow (no decoupling from hard cap), 6 years for own 7 for UFA contract length, 10 year CBA.

It's pretty much done. I wouldn't be surprised by announcement tonight.


I could see the owners trying to pull another fast one on the players. They're getting squeezed pretty good at this point because Fehr waited them out. They've made more concessions in the last couple weeks than they did the last few months. I'm not saying Fehr "won", really there's no way the players win this in the conventional sense, but I do believe the owners are not super happy with the direction the momentum is going at the moment.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

@cotsonika
Why would players split difference on Year 2 cap? If no escrow cap, no good reason NHL can't go to $65M and keep floor at $44M.

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And if this is an eight- or 10-year CBA, is a $65M cap in Year 2 -- when NHL was at $60M and reportedly will go a bit higher -- a big deal?

Agreed.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

@cotsonika
Why would players split difference on Year 2 cap? If no escrow cap, no good reason NHL can't go to $65M and keep floor at $44M.

@cotsonika
And if this is an eight- or 10-year CBA, is a $65M cap in Year 2 -- when NHL was at $60M and reportedly will go a bit higher -- a big deal?

Agreed.


would assume its just a competition issue for the league 21million difference (65-44) is an entire first line and top3 defenseman for most teams. probably something the league doesnt really want to do if it doesnt have too.
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