WHL rocks Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Fair deal? Like the current one which the owners themselves wrote at gunpoint and immediately began poking holes in? People accuse Fehr of ruining baseball, but baseball has had labour peace since 94, the NHL is facing its 3rd lockout in that same period, football and basketball (the models Bettman is looking to for guidance) have also had major labour strife over that time frame, baseball seems to have the best system of ensuring labour peace, a system that is essentially voluntary revenue sharing, a way of forcing the big spenders to help out the ones that the big guys spending practices are hurting in the first place. No system is perfect, but the one that keeps the business operating without work stoppages is likely the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Habitat Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Yeah, Baseball has a great system. The same handful of teams have a chance to win every year because they out spend other teams by a 4 to 1 ratio. Yankees $200 mill Padres $55 mill No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfruits Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Yeah, Baseball has a great system. The same handful of teams have a chance to win every year because they out spend other teams by a 4 to 1 ratio. Yankees $200 mill Padres $55 mill No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLocke Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 http://espn.go.com/m...history/winners from 2000-2011 11 different winners so far so not really the same handful of teams winning unless you got big hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sikes Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 What did Bettman do to piss you off? For me he's done many good things since taking over. Just off the top of my head: - Increased the NHL from 24 to 30 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Tick Tock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sikes Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Yeah, Baseball has a great system. The same handful of teams have a chance to win every year because they out spend other teams by a 4 to 1 ratio. Yankees $200 mill Padres $55 mill No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 The owners would have no incentive to reach an agreement if they are already playing under the owner's proposal. It would also set a massive precedent where the owner's would come into the next negotiations asking things like a 50% rollback in salaries and a 25% revenue salary cap. Continuing to work under the old CBA while the new one is being negotiated isn't just not dumb, but happens frequently during union negotiations. A lockout is an owner's choice to discontinue work. A strike is the worker's choice to discontinue work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 The sad part is tons of baseball people stand by this system. There's literally no hope watching the jays play. Same thing every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Interesting, so playing under the owners' proposal, the owner would have no incentive to reach an agreement but somehow, playing under the exisiting CBA, which the players love, well the players would have some incentive to compromise??? Come on, this is crap. The bottom line is clear: the players don't want to give up anything and if that means that the owners lock the doors because there is not enough money for them under the current system, then fine with them. You realize that the NHLPA's counteroffer involved an increase of 2% in the cap the first year. The owners want a 24% roll back. The players are not even offering a freeze, talk about 'really wanting to play in the fall'!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Habitat Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 A different team wins the 'chip almost every year in the MLB -- It's just a Toronto thing that the Jays always suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 Ilya Kovalchuk Will Play in the KHL in the Event of a Lengthy Lockout: New Jersey Devils news comes few and far between these days, but some broke yesterday afternoon when Slava Malamud of Sport-Express tweeted out news that Devils star forward Ilya Kovalchuk will play in the KHL in the event of a lockout. Malamud claims that if the NHL goes into a lengthy lockout, Kovalchuk will play for SKA St. Petersburg, the same team that almost signed him to a massive long-term contract just a few years ago. No financial terms of the potential contract have been disclosed. There have been no details regarding a potential out clause released, either. Once again, I must stress that Kovalchuk will only play in the KHL if the NHL season will be very delayed and/or cancelled, and he will not miss any Devils games should a season be played. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Todd-Cordell/Ilya-Kovalchuk-Will-Play-in-the-KHL-in-the-Event-of-a-Lengthy-Lockout/159/46297 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raoul Duke Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 You have teams that don't make the playoffs for 25 years. Plus. Washington/Montreal 30 seasons Kansas city 26 seasons Pirates 19 Blue jays 18 Baltimore 14 Seattle 10 That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_fo_life Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'm done with this league is we lose another season, they dont care about the fans at all, and without us there would be no NHL. How greedy do you have to be? It pisses me off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 The current CBA included everything the owners wanted last time. They completely got their way and they still aren't happy. The players managed to make that CBA work for them but you can't make it seem like the current CBA is the players' CBA. That CBA is exactly what the owners wanted back in 2004. Would you accept a 24% roll back? That is an insane change to be done all at once. If anything the owners angered the NHLPA with their initial proposal which was so ridiculous so the players didn't budge on that proposal and instead offered something different. If the owners' initial proposal had been reasonable then the players' would have been more willing to negotiate. The blame for this whole situation can't be solely placed on the NHLPA and should be mainly placed on the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_fo_life Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Another half hour meeting just ended, don't know if this is good or bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'm done with this league is we lose another season, they dont care about the fans at all, and without us there would be no NHL. How greedy do you have to be? It pisses me off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Just wanting confirmation here, if there's no agreement by Sept 15, which is very likely, the league will be locked out "till further notice" right? Not guaranteed for an entire season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Habitat Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Just wanting confirmation here, if there's no agreement by Sept 15, which is very likely, the league will be locked out "till further notice" right? Not guaranteed for an entire season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profanity Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Would I accept a 24% rollback?? Well the more relevant question is would the NHLPA accept a 24% rollback, hmmm, well they did in 2004 so why is it such an insane starting point for the owners? So the owners start at what they got last time and obviously would work up from there so the result would be a lesser rollback than last time, what is so crazy about this plan? Yes the current CBA is what the owners wanted in 2004 but obviously some creative GMs and agents have found loopholes that have defeated the spirit of the CBA as it is and made it no longer aceptable to the owners as a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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