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#961 Salmonberries

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:47 PM

I see that the NHL players, the wealthy elite, have decided to go overseas and steal jobs from working class players in Europe again just like last time. Screw em, I hope the league breaks their backs.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:50 PM

They fired Stanley C. Panther! :sadno:
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:04 PM

I can't believe these players. Who is advising these guys! This is like Tom Cruise coming up here in an actors strike and taking John McKeachie's radio commercial gig with Key West Ford.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:46 PM

Posted Today, 08:44 PM


I cannot stand looking at, or listening whenever comes from Bettmans
mouth

At the same time it seems Hypocritical to me for NHL players to play overseas for any less money than they are willing to play here for.
Not to mention them taking jobs from Guys, who will never make in their Lifetime playing hockey what most average NHL players will make in 1 year, but do so because they like playing a hockey and making some money doing it

Plus what about there fellow NHL brothers who cannot play Overseas. They are fighting the fight for the prima donna guys while they continue on making an income overseas in other Leagues.

Then the High Profile guys go on about how this time they are more united ?
If they really are,then none of them should be playing anywhere

Maybe the other Leagues should make these players sign contracts,that once they sign they cannot go back to the NHL that year.
The pressure will be on the Owners if they see a few of these guys leave for the Year,and maybe settle this quicker?
Then the guys who stayed behind to support the new contract will be rewarded for more,than the guys who went Overseas
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:48 PM

loving this from selanne

• Teemu Selanne put Gary Bettman on blast in his Finnish language blog: “Gary Bettman has been the boss of the NHL for almost 20 years. He was hired to bring the salary cap and that is what he also did. 2 times there has been a threat of lockout during his reign and in both cases there has also been a lockout. So this is the third! He must be the most hated person in NHL. In every NHL arena he gets booed. The fans know! He makes over $ 8 million in a year. Would Mr Bettman be willing to give up his salary, and give a part of to these ‘poor’ teams? Hmm… interesting question.”


http://nhl-northeast...nes-puck-daddy/


Stupid comment by a desperate Salenne who is at the end of his career. Would Mr.Salenne be willing to give up his salary, and give a part of to these "poor" teams? No. No one would.

Lots of tweets by the players, that make them sound stupid. If they want to stir something, say something that is relevant to why there is an lockout. "Everyone hates Bettman" What's new? Unfortunately many of the players still don't know what they are talking about, don't really know the details and most of them are just doing whatever Donald Fehr ask them to do.

Can we please get a player to step up and actually get into the details to what is actually going on? Or are they all clueless? Cause all the "Bettman sucks" "We want to do this for the fans" Garbage makes them all look like idiots.

Edited by Rey, 19 September 2012 - 12:01 AM.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:55 PM

Stupid comment by a desperate Salenne who is at the end of his career. Would Mr.Salenne be willing to give up his salary, and give a part of to these "poor" teams? No. No one would.

Lots of tweets by the players, that make them sound stupid. If they want to stir something, say something that is relevant to why there is an lockout. "Everyone hates Bettman" What's new? Unfortunately many of the players still don't know what they are talking about, don't really know the details and most of them are just doing whatever Donald Fehr ask them to do.


Isn't that a quote from puck daddy the yahoo guy? Who knows how bad he butchered the translation or paraphrased it.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:34 AM

"Would Mr.Salenne be willing to give up his salary, and give a part of to these "poor" teams? No. No one would.


The players already offered money back to help in the league's revenue sharing.The league did not accept that proposal.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:35 AM

Isn't that a quote from puck daddy the yahoo guy? Who knows how bad he butchered the translation or paraphrased it.


It's not like it will make much a difference. None of it has anything to do with why we have a lockout. Bettman isn't a one man wrecking machine that creates lockout. If it was that easy, Bettman would be long gone by now.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:38 AM

"Would Mr.Salenne be willing to give up his salary, and give a part of to these "poor" teams? No. No one would.


The players already offered money back to help in the league's revenue sharing.The league did not accept that proposal.


If the players would give back money, there wouldn't be a lockout. the NHLPA has done nothing and refuses to give back. Revenue Sharing does not effect most of the players, only the ones who make top dollar, even then it's not a significant amount. it's the Owners who are the only ones negotiations. Nonetheless, a lot is based on who is more convincing. Hopefully, in the next day/week that we get more details.

Edited by Rey, 19 September 2012 - 12:51 AM.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:42 AM

If the players would give back money, there wouldn't be a lockout. the NHLPA has done nothing and refuses to give back. Revenue Sharing does not effect most of the players, only the ones who make top dollar, even then it's not a significant amount. it's the Owners who are the only ones negotiations. Nonetheless, a lot is based on who is more convincing. Hopefully, in the next day/week that we get more details.

Taking back from the players is what the owners did last time and it is only a temporary solution as we can see by what is going on now. The fundamental problem is the massive revenue gap between the strong and weak markets. The only way this will be fixed is through a good revenue sharing plan like the NFL has, but Bettman either can't see it or can't convince his inner cartel (Snider, Jacobs) that he needs to stay on the throne, of this.

Edited by Norman Clegg, 19 September 2012 - 03:43 AM.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:46 AM

It's not like it will make much a difference. None of it has anything to do with why we have a lockout. Bettman isn't a one man wrecking machine that creates lockout. If it was that easy, Bettman would be long gone by now.

Bettman has altered the bylaws so that he can kibosh any CBA with the backing of just 8 owners, so it is Bettman and and few Elites like Snider and Jacobs running the show, anyone speaks against the elite gets the financial smackdown laid on them as Bettman can also do, does anyone REALLY believe the Leafs want a lockout?
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:01 AM

If the players would give back money, there wouldn't be a lockout. the NHLPA has done nothing and refuses to give back. Revenue Sharing does not effect most of the players, only the ones who make top dollar, even then it's not a significant amount. it's the Owners who are the only ones negotiations. Nonetheless, a lot is based on who is more convincing. Hopefully, in the next day/week that we get more details.

I'm sounding like Kevin O'Leary more all the time but it is 'all about the money'. The NHL is a sports combine of 30 teams which does not think their return is adequate and want to cut back their biggest expense which is player contracts. As someone else pointed out I do not understand how a contract can be retroactively reduced as in 2004 by 24% or as now proposed - 10%. The NHLPA is not arguing the NHL's ability to do so. I must assume this ability is written into all contracts signed.

When players who are making $7 to $8 m in the NHL and millions more in endorsements do not want to negociate an agreement that fixes the industry and are prepared to take other players jobs in Euroland, it becomes clear that it is all about the money. I don't have a problem with a player making as much as he can in a open market. Suggestions that the NHL is all about the players is also a little phony. They have a skill we all like to watch but they are selling their time for money. They are an expense. A lot of what is going on in this lockout is a ownership problem. However to suggest the players are innocent rubes is more than a stretch. The money they make puts them into a non-labour category. Mini corporations if you will.

Fans who are blaming Bettman and the billionaire owners can perhaps enjoy solace in that effort but are ignoring the real issues. There are people going to work everyday who have less bargaining power than do NHL hockey players and they are making $50,000 not millions. It is up to these two, NHL and NHLPA, to sit down and work out a formula that works for both. No disrespect to fans, like me, but you don't have any role in this process.

Edited by Boudrias, 19 September 2012 - 09:04 AM.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:27 AM

Top signing bonus spenders:

1. Sabres – $20.75 million
2. Wild – $20.1 million
3. Predators – $13.3375 million
4. Lightning – $10.59 million
5. Blackhawks – $10.2575 million
6. Rangers – $9.5525 million
7. Canucks – $9.38 million
8. Blue Jackets – $5.7475
9. Canadiens – $5.44 million
10. Maple Leafs – $3.0875 million.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:43 AM

The longer this goes on, and I know it's only been a few days, I don't care what either of these groups have to say. They are both holding the process hostage.

Yes, salaries are out of whack. Yes, it's the owners' fault. They are to blame. They also hold the purse strings. So, get over it.

The players are making plenty of dough, they should be happy. But Bettman slapped them in the face with his first offer and it was on.

Bottom line: both parties need to contribute to revenue sharing. They are both interested in keeping the struggling teams operating. So get on with it.

The players going to Europe? Really? WTH guys?
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:44 AM

I don't agree with how NHL stars are going to European leagues and stealing roster spots.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:32 AM

since the players are locked out I have no problem with them going overseas. If they were on strike different story.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:20 PM

I really like what Guy Lafleur said. tsn.ca

Edited by Rey, 19 September 2012 - 12:21 PM.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:33 PM

Stupid comment by a desperate Salenne who is at the end of his career. Would Mr.Salenne be willing to give up his salary, and give a part of to these "poor" teams? No. No one would.

Lots of tweets by the players, that make them sound stupid. If they want to stir something, say something that is relevant to why there is an lockout. "Everyone hates Bettman" What's new? Unfortunately many of the players still don't know what they are talking about, don't really know the details and most of them are just doing whatever Donald Fehr ask them to do.

Can we please get a player to step up and actually get into the details to what is actually going on? Or are they all clueless? Cause all the "Bettman sucks" "We want to do this for the fans" Garbage makes them all look like idiots.


have you not been following the situation?

after each proposal they go on live television and break down the proposal and say this is why we disagree with it. they are all well aware of what is going on, the players themselves have said that. that was one of the big things fehr did was unite the players and are keeping them in the know. they even created a phone app to help lol

im not condoning what selanne said im just responding to you saying the players need to shut up because they dont know what is going on. They know everything that is going on and saying they dont know the details is 300% false
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:42 PM

I don't agree with how NHL stars are going to European leagues and stealing roster spots.

A good friend of mine lost his job playing pro hockey in Europe in this way during one of the previous labour disputes.

I hope the league hires replacement players.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

NHL announces cancellation of preseason schedule through Sept. 30



NEW YORK – The National Hockey League announced today the cancellation of the 2012 preseason schedule through Sept. 30. In addition, the 2012 Kraft Hockeyville preseason game, scheduled for Oct. 3 in Belleville, Ontario, has been postponed to 2013.

The cancellation of the schedule was necessary because of the absence of a Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NHL Players’ Association and the NHL.

While the Kraft Hockeyville game has been postponed, many of the scheduled celebrations in the winning community of Stirling-Rawdon, Ontario, will proceed as planned beginning on September 30.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:06 PM

i'm sure the league office dwellers can go overseas and look for work too and not have their salaries slashed(!)
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:50 PM

Wow, we would have played Calgary next Monday if there wasn't a lockout. :mellow:
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:08 PM

Screw the players. Greedy lemmings that just go along with Fehr and his power trip.

You really think the players have any sense of what it takes to run an NHL hockey team? They have absolutely NO CLUE as to the real world. They are in a bubble.

The owners have SO many more expenses that are rising year after year and the players expect to continue making more money on ludicrous contracts. It's easy to side with the players in markets such as Vancouver or Toronto because the owners are making a pretty penny; but look at any of the 15 bottom feeder NHL teams and it's obvious the player's are getting paid WAY too much.

Sadly the players can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that unless each owner is coming out in the positive, it doesn't make sense for them to continue operating = no more job for you.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:35 PM

Screw the players. Greedy lemmings that just go along with Fehr and his power trip.

You really think the players have any sense of what it takes to run an NHL hockey team? They have absolutely NO CLUE as to the real world. They are in a bubble.

The owners have SO many more expenses that are rising year after year and the players expect to continue making more money on ludicrous contracts. It's easy to side with the players in markets such as Vancouver or Toronto because the owners are making a pretty penny; but look at any of the 15 bottom feeder NHL teams and it's obvious the player's are getting paid WAY too much.

Sadly the players can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that unless each owner is coming out in the positive, it doesn't make sense for them to continue operating = no more job for you.

Sure is considerate of Rick Nash, who has God knows how many millions in the bank to push subsistence level players like my friend out of pro hockey jobs in Europe and take the bread off their tables just because they can. Lol. That's the kind of union a fella can support!

I hope the owners kill these guys. Douches.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 06:33 PM

Sure is considerate of Rick Nash, who has God knows how many millions in the bank to push subsistence level players like my friend out of pro hockey jobs in Europe and take the bread off their tables just because they can. Lol. That's the kind of union a fella can support!

I hope the owners kill these guys. Douches.


Theres no union over there fair game.No different then a lumber strike everyone goes finds a part time job during those also I guess were all Douches
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 06:41 PM

I understand the owners of losing franchises are in a bind, and something does need to be done for those markets to stay intact.

Why bother? why is the NHL trying to keep these in the negative teams going?

A contraction IMO would be even better than relocation.

since the league started its expansion with the Sharks, 2 profitable teams out of 9, Ottawa and Minny.

The rest are garbage!!

Can you imagine how healthy this league would be with 21 teams again? If we never expanded!! Instead of expansion, move the weak teams out of the 21 to Ottawa, Minny and Colorado!

For how unpopular hockey is in the USA we have way to many teams!

Let hockey grow in the places it's roots like the soil!


I've always thought we were fine with a lesser number of teams in comparison to expanding revenue to maximize the business. Back when there were 21 teams the league was almost watered down due to not having a place to go. We were fine. Then before the lockout it was brutul due to expansion teams. We were fine. Now the bottom teams are horrible due to tanking on purpose even though there are so many good players out there due to opportunity. Are we still fine?
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:01 PM

To all the people complaining about the players taking jobs in Europe - remember, the players wanted to play this year. They offered to play under the previous CBA, which has seen league revenues skyrocket. They also offered to take a smaller percentage of salary in their first offer, and their proposal was a better long term business model for the league.

Your friend in Europe only has the owners to blame.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:03 PM

Yay... bargaining tactics that include the media...
Lets put our whole fanbase through hell for bit...

Geez.... can't you just operate behind closed doors and get this crap dealt with without causing such stress.... children act better at times working things out with each other...

Plain and simple... pisses me off...
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:20 PM

It's funny because a lot of these economic issues regarding small market teams would have been avoided for the most part at least if Bettman wasn't so insistent on keeping teams in Phoenix, Atlanta, Columbus, etc...

It's also funny because-...well this one's obvious. Players are complaining about MULTI-MILLION dollar salaries.

In the end, I'm against the players on this one. True, the NHL kept going back to the well when there was no water in it, but that doesn't justify the players' actions for the situation now. A 7-10% reduction in revenue sharing is NOTHING when you're making a minimum of half a million bucks a year. Give me a ****ing break will ya? If you want to keep playing in an economically stable league, give up some of your dough, you've got more than you need. The players have forgotten that they are the employees this working relationship with the owners. These guys are "sacrificing" squat; they need a reality check, and fast.

Leave your pride and ego at the door and get it done. For the love of god...this is so frustrating. It's like watching two five year olds fighting for the last chocolate chip cookie.

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