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#1 Franz Liszt

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:21 PM

To Chicago: Luongo, Rodin + 2nd

To Vancouver: Hjalmarsson, Hayes, Beach + 1st

Luongo + 2nd = Hjalmarsson, Beach + 1st
Rodin = Hayes
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To Phoenix: Raymond, Sweatt, CHI/VAN 2013 1st, 2013 3rd

To Vancouver: Torres & Boedker

Sweatt + 3rd = Torres
Raymond + 1st = Boedker
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Vancouver Roster: $67.2 / $70.2 salary spent

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Boedker
Higgins Lapierre Hansen
Torres Malhotra Hayes
Volpatti, Ebbett, Weise

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Garrison
Ballard Hjalmarsson
Alberts, Tanev

Schneider & Lack
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Chicago Roster: $66.8 / $70.2 salary spent

Stalberg Toews Kane
Shaw Sharp Hossa
Bickell Bolland Bollig
Carcillo Kruger Frolik
Saad, Pirri, Mayers

Keith Seabrook
Oduya Montador
Leddy Roszival
Olsen, Brookbank

Luongo & Crawford
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Phoenix Roster: $54.1 / $70.2 salary spent

Sullivan Vermette Doan
Raymond Hanzal Vrbata
Korpikoski Langkow Moss
Chipchura Gordon Johnson
Bissonette, Miele, Conner

Yandle Michalek
Klesla Morris
O.E.L Stone
Summers, Schlemko

Smith & LaBarbera

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:27 PM

I would rather Leddy back rather than HJahlmersson

We overpay in the second deal and I really really really don't want Torres back

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:33 PM

Kassian would be a better fit then Boedker on the 2nd line and we get to keep 2 1st round picks if we don't get Boedker.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:36 PM

Huuuge overpayment in the Phoenix deal.
Boedker is hardly better than Raymond if at all.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

Edited.

Took a 1st away from the Phoenix deal.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

Huuuge overpayment in the Phoenix deal.
Boedker is hardly better than Raymond if at all.


Boedker is better than Raymond, and even if he isn't right now (which I think he is a bit better) he is younger and has more upside so he will be.

But I dont wanna do that Chicago deal, it would be much more beneficial to them than us, it's really not a smart move, and I'm not sure that Pheonix would wanna trade Boedker.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:59 PM

Boedker is better than Raymond, and even if he isn't right now (which I think he is a bit better) he is younger and has more upside so he will be.

But I dont wanna do that Chicago deal, it would be much more beneficial to them than us, it's really not a smart move, and I'm not sure that Pheonix would wanna trade Boedker.


Boedker really isn't anything special.
He's had 1 full NHL year in the past 3 seasons, and only put up 24 points.
He plays a very similar style to Raymond, and was outpaced in points by Raymond last season.
Sure he still has some upside, but he's looking more and more like he was a bad choice as an 8th Overall pick.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:06 PM

Boedker really isn't anything special.
He's had 1 full NHL year in the past 3 seasons, and only put up 24 points.
He plays a very similar style to Raymond, and was outpaced in points by Raymond last season.
Sure he still has some upside, but he's looking more and more like he was a bad choice as an 8th Overall pick.


the playoffs were a good sign of things too come, he had a pretty good playoffs for them.

he has had some bad years. he's battled injury, he's had some good times too (14 points in 34 games in 10-11 is not bad).

I think he was rushed into the NHL, but I still could see him becoming a top 6 forward, I think he will have a good year/break out year if this lockout every gets settled.

I would take him over Raymond myself right now just cause of the upside.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:12 PM

the playoffs were a good sign of things too come, he had a pretty good playoffs for them.

he has had some bad years. he's battled injury, he's had some good times too (14 points in 34 games in 10-11 is not bad).

I think he was rushed into the NHL, but I still could see him becoming a top 6 forward, I think he will have a good year/break out year if this lockout every gets settled.

I would take him over Raymond myself right now just cause of the upside.


I'd do Raymond and a 2nd or 3rd pick, anything more than that is too much on a gamble for someone who could easily turn out to be no better than the player we sent the other way.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:27 PM

To you both, Boedker was never really put in to a top-6 position until the 2nd round, where he took off against Nashville.

He is a playmaking winger as well.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:41 PM

Boedker really isn't anything special.
He's had 1 full NHL year in the past 3 seasons, and only put up 24 points.

You do remember he scored two straight OT winners against Chicago right?

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:52 PM

I'd do Raymond and a 2nd or 3rd pick, anything more than that is too much on a gamble for someone who could easily turn out to be no better than the player we sent the other way.


Yeah I agree that's a good point.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

To Chicago: Luongo, Rodin + 2nd

To Vancouver: Hjalmarsson, Hayes, Beach + 1st

Luongo + 2nd = Hjalmarsson, Beach + 1st
Rodin = Hayes
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To Phoenix: Raymond, Sweatt, CHI/VAN 2013 1st, 2013 3rd

To Vancouver: Torres & Boedker

Sweatt + 3rd = Torres
Raymond + 1st = Boedker

Chicago keeps their 1st rather than trading for the Canucks' 2nd.

Luongo FOR Hjalmarsson, Beach

Phoenix doesn't trade Boedker. They like to build their prospects from within, not trade them as soon as their NHL ready for a prospect/pick that will take years to be ready. They also don't trade for a player who makes more and produces less (Raymond) for a cheaper more productive player (Torres).

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:38 PM

Beach and Hayes ate big guys but both are bottom 6 players in AHL right now right?

Beach is a third/fourth liner now and Hayes is third occasionally second line

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:44 PM

Beach and Hayes ate big guys but both are bottom 6 players in AHL right now right?

Beach is a third/fourth liner now and Hayes is third occasionally second line


Kyle Beach - 6'3 205
Jimmy Hayes - 6'6 221

Yes they are huge, but they are players we need. Especially with the production of Hayes on the 4th line and sometimes 3rd line (would've had 25~ points 13g, 12a).

The Canucks will more likely get players like these rather than a top player, which is okay with me, since our team is already really good.

Having Hjalmarsson who plays the RIGHT SIDE on defense though he is LEFT HANDED and a good shutdown player would work well with Ballard I feel.

And having Torres back would be super beneficial, because the opposing defenders would fear getting the puck with a really wide man (6'0 225) coming in on them.

Boedker has always been a playmaker type player who never had top-6 ice time. Putting him on the second line would help Kesler and Booth a lot.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:53 PM

I'd be down to try and get Torres back, he was a great addition to our line up before and I was pretty shocked to see Gillis let Torres walk, rumor was he wanted a 2 year contract instead of 1 I believe? Which I would have gave to him in a heartbeat, always a physical force and could put up some points as well.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:26 PM

that be gd one raymond for boedker

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:15 AM

Kyle Beach - 6'3 205
Jimmy Hayes - 6'6 221

Yes they are huge,
but they are players we need. Especially with the production of Hayes on the 4th line and sometimes 3rd line (would've had 25~ points 13g, 12a).

The Canucks will more likely get players like these rather than a top player, which is okay with me, since our team is already really good.

Having Hjalmarsson who plays the RIGHT SIDE on defense though he is LEFT HANDED and a good shutdown player would work well with Ballard I feel.

And having Torres back would be super beneficial, because the opposing defenders would fear getting the puck with a really wide man (6'0 225) coming in on them.

Boedker has always been a playmaker type player who never had top-6 ice time. Putting him on the second line would help Kesler and Booth a lot.


They may be huge but that's all they are right now. I don't think either Hayes or Beach are ready for full time NHL duty, Hayes is closer than beach but they are still an AHL season or 2 away.

Of all the Chicago/Luongo deals I've seen this one isn't too bad. I still wouldn't do it but it's not as bad as some other proposals I've seen. There's no way Chicago gives up their first round pick, two prospects, and a shot blocking defenseman for Luongo, a prospect and a 2nd rounder.

Another poster said he'd rather have Leddy than Hjalmarsson, I think I'd ratehr give up Leddy over Hjalmarsson as well. But Luongo isn't going to Chicago so it's a moot point.




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