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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:14 PM

So just something I thought was interesting. Next gen consoles are being rumored to be released near Christmas 2013, which includes a new XBOX and Playstation.

PS4 release date

Latest rumours suggest that the PS4 will launch in time for Christmas 2013, though Sony are remaining quiet on the issue.


We fully expect the Xbox 720 - if it is indeed to be called that – to launch in time for Christmas 2013. And with the increasing frequency of new rumours, reports and leaks, an official reveal from Microsoft cannot be too far away.


First of all, I am not ready to shell out $800 on a new console, it hasnt even been that long, and everything is already perfect on the consoles we have.




Secondly, they are rumored to NOT have backwards compatibilty.

Backwards compatibility

When the original original PS3 unit shipped, it contained a chip that gave it the ability to play PS2 games. Subsequent iterations of hardware omitted this chip and so the backwards compatibility was condemned to death.
Current rumours suggests that the PS4 will completely ignore the possibility of backwards compatibility and focus firmly on the next generation. So if you want to continue playing your PS3 games, keep hold of your PS3s, kids




Third you will not be able to play used games, making you shell out $70 for a brand new game every time. Goodbye to stores like Gamestop? (as much as I hate them already)

Second hand games on the way out?

More rumours suggest that Sony is going in the same direction as Microsoft in that it wants to kill off the second hand games market. Current industry wisdom suggests that future PS4 games might be tied to your Sony Entertainment Network account and will thus then have no resale value. That's a similar approach as used by PC developers using Steam so we reckon this is a likely development. Doesn't mean we're happy about it, though.



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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:18 PM

They couldn't think of more creative names for the new consoles?
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:19 PM

Christmas 2013 sounds about right. But really? You can't play used games/PS3 games on the PS4?
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:21 PM

They couldn't think of more creative names for the new consoles?


They'll probably have to triple their dev teams salary if they did.

PC gaming ftw btw...

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:23 PM

They couldn't think of more creative names for the new consoles?


Who knows about the names right now, Playstations new console is code name "Orbis" But why not carry on with the name you have already built to be recognized around the world?


Christmas 2013 sounds about right. But really? You can't play used games/PS3 games on the PS4?


Yep, that really will be a bummer if thats true, you wont even be able to take your game to a friends for a weekend or anything. No resale value for games, nor selling them on craigslist -_-
I heard in a video XBOX was doing the same.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:26 PM

No backwards compatibility = No buy from me.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:26 PM

looks like I'm switching to PC gaming

1st thing I need to do is get a PC
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:29 PM

meh im going to wait for a price drop

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:30 PM

frack the eighth generation :picard:

If all that is true, I'm not freaking buying a console...
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:30 PM

First of all, I am not ready to shell out $800 on a new console, it hasnt even been that long, and everything is already perfect on the consoles we have.


$800 is not a reasonable price to expect someone to drop, but no everything is not already perfect on the consoles you have. They've hit a limit with the capabilities of what they can do with these systems, and if they don't put new hardware out there, you'll continue to see more stagnation, and developers being forced to work around the limitations of the systems.

edit: Though if they do really remove the ability to play used and borrowed games, than the systems can go die for all I care.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:33 PM

frack the eighth generation :picard:

If all that is true, I'm not freaking buying a console...


Almost every post I see anywhere on the interwebz agrees with you.

Boycott the new consoles
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:41 PM

$800 is not a reasonable price to expect someone to drop, but no everything is not already perfect on the consoles you have. They've hit a limit with the capabilities of what they can do with these systems, and if they don't put new hardware out there, you'll continue to see more stagnation, and developers being forced to work around the limitations of the systems.

edit: Though if they do really remove the ability to play used and borrowed games, than the systems can go die for all I care.


Well considering the PS3 and 360 originally released for $499 in Canada for the 360 and $546 for the PS3 in Canada (If my sources are correct)
Tack on $60-70 for an additonal controller
Another $70 for a game $70 more if you want two games.
Then some will want accessories such as the offical Sony Bluetooth headset, and for XBOX someone may want to buy 12 months live off the bat.

Total it all up, then add tax. You do get up there at around $800.


Who knows if they'll make the consoles cheaper this time around.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:49 PM

What will they be improving on the new consoles? Have the developed new technology? Or is it a money grab?
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:50 PM

If they do end the resale of games and take the Apple model of distributing all software (in this case games) through an online store, would that not make games slightly cheaper? No packaging, no plastic cases, no shipping costs, no manufacturing costs?
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:06 PM

@Garrison
Well Sony is looking to add 4K resolution compatibilty because we really really need that :rolleyes:
Xbox is wanting to push Kinect further in the new console.

Other than that I have no idea at the moment.



@Opmac I'm not completely sure they will be releasing games exclusively in an "app store" because I have read the new XBOX will be featuring blu-ray instead of DVD format discs like they currently have. Plus imagine how much space those next gen games are going to take when they will be 1080p resolution or 4K resolution. Download times will suck especially on release days!

Maybe they'll take a similar approach to how EA makes you have an online pass but somehow make it so the whole game is unplayable if you have already used it on one console?
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:07 PM

Well considering the PS3 and 360 originally released for $499 in Canada for the 360 and $546 for the PS3 in Canada (If my sources are correct)
Tack on $60-70 for an additonal controller
Another $70 for a game $70 more if you want two games.
Then some will want accessories such as the offical Sony Bluetooth headset, and for XBOX someone may want to buy 12 months live off the bat.

Total it all up, then add tax. You do get up there at around $800.


Who knows if they'll make the consoles cheaper this time around.

Well considering the PS3 and 360 originally released for $499 in Canada for the 360 and $546 for the PS3 in Canada (If my sources are correct)
Tack on $60-70 for an additonal controller
Another $70 for a game $70 more if you want two games.
Then some will want accessories such as the offical Sony Bluetooth headset, and for XBOX someone may want to buy 12 months live off the bat.

Total it all up, then add tax. You do get up there at around $800.


Who knows if they'll make the consoles cheaper this time around.


Ah, I thought that you were just quoting a base price estimate there. No they can't be much cheaper this time around, although they also can't be much more expensive.

My main problem with these rumours is that the consoles seem to be defeating the plug in and play aspect. Which sucks, because plug in play is pretty much what a console is about. Limiting a game to a single console and user, and removing physical copies of games in favour of digital downloads would make consoles utterly pointless. Just by a PC and hook it up to your TV at that point. There'd be no benefit to a console anymore.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:12 PM

What will they be improving on the new consoles? Have the developed new technology? Or is it a money grab?

Well yeah, they have the technology. XBox 360 will be 8 years old by the time of that estimated release. PS3 and 360 are just dated technology at this point. They can vastly improve the technology in these systems, whether or not they bother to actually do it properly is a different issue.

PS3 and 360 as pieces of base technology to work with are holding back gaming in a general sense.

If they do end the resale of games and take the Apple model of distributing all software (in this case games) through an online store, would that not make games slightly cheaper? No packaging, no plastic cases, no shipping costs, no manufacturing costs?


Lol no. Well it will be a lot cheaper for them, but there will not be any chance of them passing those savings on to the consumers. Which is why they prefer a digital download service. That, plus it gives them greater control over the product they just sold.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:24 PM

This is stupid, I like the ps3 as it is right now, we don't need a new console any time soon. Not to mention it will cost $800?! There are still people out there playing with ps2s the only reason I got a ps3 was because they didn't make NHL11 for the ps2
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:31 PM

I was hoping it would come out in 3 or 4 more years
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:42 PM

First of all, I am not ready to shell out $800 on a new console, it hasnt even been that long, and everything is already perfect on the consoles we have.


its been 7 years, game graphics are so limited with the present consoles, its about time.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

Xbox is wanting to push Kinect further in the new console.


Ugh... Kinect hasn't brought anything to the table I care about. So hyped, yet so pointless. I had a 360 for most of gen 7, but if I ever buy a gen 8 console it will be from Sony.

In the meantime, my PC will last me a very long time...and there's always SNES.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 01:36 PM

LOL, $800.

Yeah, I'll stick to my PC.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 01:47 PM

Also, as long as we're speculating, I doubt we'll be paying $800 at launch even if our self-destructive natures compel us to buy stupidly expensive accessories and more games than we can afford (for the record, I would recommend just...just not doing that if you want to save a bit of money).

That leaked document we mentioned earlier mentions a $299 (£190) price point which sounded gloriously ambitious to us. Expect it to cost a bit more than that but assuming the PS4 launches around the same time, expect some competitive pricing.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-release-date-news-and-rumours-937167
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

LOL, $800.

Yeah, I'll stick to my PC.


I paid twice that for my PC. Also, read: OP came up with the figure "$800" on their own. They assumed launch price to be $499, in line with the previous generation and assumed the buyer to have terrible spending habits, buying literally everything related to the console that they possibly could right on launch day. Yes, that will add up to $800. OTOH, the only figure we've seen from a legitimate source is $299 which will obviously be less than what it actually is. But they can't say, "Ah, we were thinking of charging $299, but nah, we decided to go with $799. Economic disparity, y'know?"
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 01:56 PM

what a joke no backwards compatibility again first they take it out of the ps3 and now they won't even bother with it in the ps4 can they just give use the option so we don't have to have 3 different sony consoles
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:10 PM

Xbox guy myself, and in my opinion the best thing these two companies could do is release cross platform online play. Meaning that for games which are released on both platforms have it so that both Xbox and PS players can play one another.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:24 PM

Xbox guy myself, and in my opinion the best thing these two companies could do is release cross platform online play. Meaning that for games which are released on both platforms have it so that both Xbox and PS players can play one another.


Could not agree more.

That alone would make me consider spending the $800 on a new console.

BUT given that will not happen... I will not consider buying the new system until 6-8 months (if not longer) into release, so that the price drops and the typical first run issues are over.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:39 PM

@Masamune
I personally wouldnt buy it unless the price dropped so something similar to a console today, which probably would be 2-4 years after release, so I'll likely stick to my PS3 till then. But who knows if I'll even buy it at all because I'm using it less and less as I get more busy with school and such.

$299 seems extremely low, not sure how they would be able to release a brand new upgraded console for about the same price as they sell them now, because they usually lose money/make hardly any profit on the consoles themselves. So I cant really wrap my mind around that.

Also about "terrible spending habits" I disagree.
$499 for the console on release day
$60 for an additonal controller for your kids (if you had kids, or for a sibling, friends who come over)
$60 for a game, no point in a console without the games
$60 for 12 months live (PS3 released about $50 more than e 360 so evens out)
Total $679
12% tax
New total = $760.48 (rough estimates)
So not totally far fetched and "terrible spending habits" its what you had to pay if you were wanting the console when it came out.

Hopefully the $299 price is true though.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:43 PM

Pretty much most of my games are pre-owned.

It'd kill the game rental market too.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

Also about "terrible spending habits" I disagree.
$499 for the console on release day
$60 for an additonal controller for your kids (if you had kids, or for a sibling, friends who come over)
$60 for a game, no point in a console without the games
$60 for 12 months live (PS3 released about $50 more than e 360 so evens out)
Total $679
12% tax
New total = $760.48 (rough estimates)
So not totally far fetched and "terrible spending habits" its what you had to pay if you were wanting the console when it came out.


Fair enough. My approach to buying expensive equipment is different (I'm a gaming enthusiast, no kids, I play online with friends who also own consoles so I don't usually splitscreen when I'm visiting in person) so my needs are different. One game could last me quite a while until I decided it's time to get something new. My main concern was that people were starting to think that launch price for the console itself was $800 because it was getting thrown around in that fashion.
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