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(Discussion) Value Of: Cory Schneider (or) Roberto Luongo to Colorado


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#1 Pears

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:35 PM

Hey all. Just wanted to start a discussion on something I have been thinking about for the past while: What would the Avalanche be willing to give up for either one of our goalies?

Now don't get me wrong, I know all about the Varlamov trade, but to me he hasn't proven himself as legit #1 starter.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:44 PM

I'm thinking a decent checker,a depth defence and a pick for Luo,for Schneider it depends
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:44 PM

Now don't get me wrong, I know all about the Varlamov trade, but to me he hasn't proven himself as legit #1 starter.


They gave up a 1st to get him, and, since they suck, I would think that they'd be at least willing to give him a much, much longer look than what he's currently had.

Besides, looking at his numbers last year, they're encouraging. He played well for them.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 06:06 PM

Take Varlamov out of the picture for a second.

LUONGO

To Colorado: Luongo + Rodin + 3rd

To Vancouver: O'Byrne, Kobasew, O'Reilly (RFA) + 1st

Luongo = O'Byrne, Kobasew + 1st
Rodin + 3rd = O'Reilly's RFA rights

SCHNEIDER

To Colorado: Schneider, Raymond + 3rd

To Vancouver: Downie, Johnson, O'Reilly (RFA) + 1st

Schneider = Downie, Johnson + 1st
Raymond + 3rd = O'Reilly's RFA rights
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:16 PM

Are you asking in a scenario where they keep Varlomov then? I think they'd give him more of a chance after just trading for him.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:08 PM

To Vancouver: Varlamov
To colorado: Schneider + 1st

Varlamov is younger, more experienced and less expensive than Schneider. The 1st compensate the difference of value. But no way Colorado would accept it.

Edited by palindrom, 31 October 2012 - 10:13 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:16 AM

To Vancouver: Varlamov
To colorado: Schneider + 1st

Varlamov is younger, more experienced and less expensive than Schneider. The 1st compensate the difference of value. But no way Colorado would accept it.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:18 AM

:unsure:

Not sure if srs.

Well, he is the one that proposed Carey Price for Jensen, Lack and a 2nd, so...
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

   ryan kesler is going to the chicago blackhawks ...       quote me on it


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:49 AM

Double post

Edited by Steven Stamkos' Mullet, 01 November 2012 - 12:51 AM.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:01 AM

:unsure:

Not sure if srs.


You can be sure of one thing.

By the price they paid to acquire him, Colorado have Valarmov in high esteem.

Why didnt they make an offer Vancouver could not refuse to acquire Schneider instead of acquiring Valarmov ?
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:55 AM

You can be sure of one thing.

By the price they paid to acquire him, Colorado have Valarmov in high esteem.

Why didnt they make an offer Vancouver could not refuse to acquire Schneider instead of acquiring Valarmov ?

I know you're trying to be funny, but you're doing an awful job at it.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

   ryan kesler is going to the chicago blackhawks ...       quote me on it


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:52 AM

I know you're trying to be funny, but you're doing an awful job at it.


Im not trying to be funny, i am attending to troll and get reaction from people.

But you easily saw through my devious plan. So its a failure on my part.

I will try harder next time.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:23 PM

Im not trying to be funny, i am attending to troll and get reaction from people.

But you easily saw through my devious plan. So its a failure on my part.

I will try harder next time.

*attempting
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

*attempting


Right, i need to reread my English for dummies :)
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:44 AM

We are the top team in our divison, lets not help the others by giving them a solid number 1 goaltender.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:49 AM

We are the top team in our divison, lets not help the others by giving them a solid number 1 goaltender.


Yeah, lets every other team in the league trade between themselves and improve while we do nothing.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:56 AM

We are the top team in our divison, lets not help the others by giving them a solid number 1 goaltender.

What if Colorado offered Matt Duchene for Schneider straight up?
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

LUONGO

To Colorado: Luongo + Rodin + 3rd

To Vancouver: O'Byrne, Kobasew, O'Reilly (RFA) + 1st

Luongo = O'Byrne, Kobasew + 1st
Rodin + 3rd = O'Reilly's RFA rights

SCHNEIDER

To Colorado: Schneider, Raymond + 3rd

To Vancouver: Downie, Johnson, O'Reilly (RFA) + 1st

Schneider = Downie, Johnson + 1st
Raymond + 3rd = O'Reilly's RFA rights


Is the difference in value between a proven goalie like Lu, though he's a "choker" signed to an "albatross", really that much lower than Cory, who's still an unproven upstart ("proven" within a small sample)? So Lu only gets a 3rd/ 4th line right wing and a depth D-man and a 1st, whereas Cory gets a 2nd line winger and top-4 D-man and a 1st? For that return I'd rather let them bank on Cory's potential and stick with Lu if he was willing to stay! (Also, Raymond can't even get an RFA player's rights?)
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

What if Colorado offered Matt Duchene for Schneider straight up?


No way Vancouver accept that, it would require an overpayment to send Schneider to Colorado.
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