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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:41 PM

he was proposing $3 spending cuts for $1 tax increase.

Republicans called that socialism.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:42 PM

Let me know when Obama's administration stops pinning its faults on Bush, but on the current POTUS. If at the end of these 4 years where Obama doesn't have to fight for another election and can do anything he wants, unemployment is still at 7.9% and the US debt is still at 14T and increasing, then it's time to start pointing fingers at himself.


Obama can do anything he wants? do you even have any understanding how the US political system works?
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:10 PM

I think its nearly time to formally divide up the country into the Free States of America, and the Socialist States of America.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:17 PM

I think the Free States of America would invade the Socialist States of America.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:23 PM

With a Republican house majority, perhaps people on both sides are once again overestimating what Obama can personally accomplish. Frankly, i'm kinda surprised Obamacare has made it this far. I guess the Republicans were thinking that would cost him this election.

Still, with a vast reduction in war spending, that simply translates to a budget that's far more manageable. Perhaps Clintonesque surpluses are in reach. (at least they were before Obamacare came in) Meanwhile, Milt would've doubled our war effort, invaded Iran, and continued onto our 'real' enemy: Russia. Good job.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:38 PM

With a Republican house majority, perhaps people on both sides are once again overestimating what Obama can personally accomplish.  Frankly, i'm kinda surprised Obamacare has made it this far.  I guess the Republicans were thinking that would cost him this election.

Still, with a vast reduction in war spending, that simply translates to a budget that's far more manageable.  Perhaps Clintonesque surpluses are in reach.  (at least they were before Obamacare came in)  Meanwhile, Milt would've doubled our war effort, invaded Iran, and continued onto our 'real' enemy:  Russia.  Good job.


Can we please stop calling it Obamacare, I hate that term? Let's call it what it is universial health care. I'm willing to bet the term "Obamacare" was coined by some Republican party strategist to make it sound like Obama is forcing his ideas on America.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

Can we please stop calling it Obamacare, I hate that term? Let's call it what it is universial health care. I'm willing to bet the term "Obamacare" was coined by some Republican party strategist to make it sound like Obama is forcing his ideas on America.

Why would you lie and call it universal healthcare when it isn't? I sure hope you aren't in Canada.. that would be an insult to our healthcare which actually IS universal for residents of each province.

Obamacare is Obamacare because it's a mandate to the private insurance industry, you don't simply use a card, go in to the hospital, GP, specialist, etc. and all care is taken care of with your taxes. There's still co-pays, well below 100% coverage, and limitations. Obamacare is a joke, the only decent thing about it is (supposedly) that you cannot be denied coverage anymore for pre-existing conditions, which can be done on it's own without the private insurance mandate joke that the rest of Obamacare is, and obviously with universal healthcare that part would be moot.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:49 PM

Why would you lie and call it universal healthcare when it isn't? I sure hope you aren't in Canada.. that would be an insult to our healthcare which actually IS universal for residents of each province.

Obamacare is Obamacare because it's a mandate to the private insurance industry, you don't simply use a card, go in to the hospital, GP, specialist, etc. and all care is taken care of with your taxes. There's still co-pays, well below 100% coverage, and limitations. Obamacare is a joke, the only decent thing about it is (supposedly) that you cannot be denied coverage anymore for pre-existing conditions, which can be done on it's own without the private insurance mandate joke that the rest of Obamacare is, and obviously with universal healthcare that part would be moot.


So your saying instead the US should adopt a Canadian style health care system?
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:05 PM

So your saying instead the US should adopt a Canadian style health care system?

My personal opinion is yes but it's silly to think whatever works for Canada works for the US -- simply put, they need to figure out first and foremost how to dramatically reduce the cost of healthcare, increase availability to all citizens/residents, without pre-existing condition bias. Right now their system is a mess that Obamacare doesn't solve, it still only gives variable care to people on medicare, state medicare, county medical providers, VA, and so on, it's a friggen joke. People shouldn't be going into debt over healthcare, and shouldn't be choosing between their wallets and going to see a doctor.. something Obamacare won't solve. Once again to reiterate, Obamacare is simply a mandate to the private insurance sector.. it's a form of corporatism, and it sucks.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

My personal opinion is yes but it's silly to think whatever works for Canada works for the US -- simply put, they need to figure out first and foremost how to dramatically reduce the cost of healthcare, increase availability to all citizens/residents, without pre-existing condition bias. Right now their system is a mess that Obamacare doesn't solve, it still only gives variable care to people on medicare, state medicare, county medical providers, VA, and so on, it's a friggen joke. People shouldn't be going into debt over healthcare, and shouldn't be choosing between their wallets and going to see a doctor.. something Obamacare won't solve. Once again to reiterate, Obamacare is simply a mandate to the private insurance sector.. it's a form of corporatism, and it sucks.


edit: perhaps that was too harsh.

its much more then a simple mandate.

Edited by Carpe Diem, 07 November 2012 - 04:57 PM.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:16 PM

Let me know when Obama's administration stops pinning its faults on Bush, but on the current POTUS. If at the end of these 4 years where Obama doesn't have to fight for another election and can do anything he wants, unemployment is still at 7.9% and the US debt is still at 14T and increasing, then it's time to start pointing fingers at himself.


Obama actually has no ability to do anything he wants. If that was the case then he would have done that during the last four years. You seem to have forgotten there was that problem with the Party of No filibustering and trying to stop everything that he was trying to do. So in reality the party of no did its best to sabotage the president and still the people knew better.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:22 PM

edit: perhaps that was too harsh.

its much more then a simple mandate.

Then elaborate what it is.. ;)

Obama actually has no ability to do anything he wants. If that was the case then he would have done that during the last four years. You seem to have forgotten there was that problem with the Party of No filibustering and trying to stop everything that he was trying to do. So in reality the party of no did its best to sabotage the president and still the people knew better.

That's why during the Dem minority and the whole "nuclear option" explosion in Congress I never bought into the stupidity of eliminating the filibuster.

It also showed how inept Congress is as a whole, for both parties, yet of course the population keeps f***ing electing them.. so, whatever..

Edited by zaibatsu, 07 November 2012 - 06:24 PM.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

Rachel Maddow show is great tonight .. worth catching on re-run if you missed it ..
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

Markets are down across the Board. Congrats Obama. Not surprised to wake up poorer.


He's responsible for knee-jerk investor reactions.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

I think its nearly time to formally divide up the country into the Free States of America, and the Socialist States of America.


Would you be free to smoke pot, get an abortion or get married to a same sex partner in the "Free" States of America?

Don't mistake Republicans for Libertarians.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:42 PM

Would you be free to smoke pot, get an abortion or get married to a same sex partner in the "Free" States of America?



in that order? hmmm
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:40 AM

Congratulations to Mr. Obama for proving that style triumphs over substance. Here we have someone who never ran as much as a peanut stand running the world's biggest economy. The person who increased the US national debt by more than 6 trillion dollars.

The stock markets show what investors think of Obama's victory - a 300 point drop - the biggest drop this year.

60% of voters under 30 voted for Obama. Great, guess who would be stuck with the debt bill decades later. Them.

As for people in other countries celebrating Obama's victory. Will they still be still celebrating when the Obama orders an attack on Iran?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:47 AM

Congratulations to Mr. Obama for proving that style triumphs over substance. Here we have someone who never ran as much as a peanut stand running the world's biggest economy. The person who increased the US national debt by more than 6 trillion dollars.

The stock markets show what investors think of Obama's victory - a 300 point drop - the biggest drop this year.

60% of voters under 30 voted for Obama. Great, guess who would be stuck with the debt bill decades later. Them.

As for people in other countries celebrating Obama's victory. Will they still be still celebrating when the Obama orders an attack on Iran?


Where is your evidence to back up this statement ?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:54 AM

Where is your evidence to back up this statement ?


Right here:

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:04 AM

Where is your evidence to back up this statement ?


I don't think a jar full of tears counts as evidence.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:28 AM

I think this quote from Says it all.

Megyn Kelly to Karl Rove on Fox news.

Anchor Megyn Kelly asks, "Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?"
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:41 AM

Right here:

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Really

Do you think posting up an Iranian flag, with a silhouette of of an oil rig , constitutes evidence that president Obama will order a nuclear strike on Iran ?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:49 AM

Really

Do you think posting up an Iranian flag, with a silhouette of of an oil rig , constitutes evidence that president Obama will order a nuclear strike on Iran ?


How about

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:06 AM

How about

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Obama victory spells trouble for Israel's Netanyahu
By Jeffrey Heller | Reuters – Wed, Nov 7, 2012


JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces an even more awkward time with Washington and re-energized critics at home who accused him on Wednesday of backing the loser in the U.S. presidential election.
With Iran topping his conservative agenda, Netanyahu will have to contend with a strengthened second-term Democratic president after four years of frosty dealings with Barack Obama and a rift over how to curb Tehran's nuclear program.
Facing his own re-election battle in January, polls give Netanyahu little chance of losing but perceptions that he has mishandled Israel's main ally have been seized on by opponents.
"I will continue to work with President Obama to ensure the interests that are vital for the security of Israel's citizens," Netanyahu said in a short, congratulatory statement hailing what he called strong strategic relations with Washington.
But in remarks underscoring a rift with the United States over possible Israeli military action against Iran, Netanyahu said in an interview broadcast on Israel's Channel 2 this week: "If there is no other way to stop Iran, Israel is ready to act."
Relations between Netanyahu and Obama hit a new low two months ago after the Israeli leader said nations which failed to set "red lines" for Iran - which denies seeking atomic arms - did not have the "moral right" to stop Israel from attacking.
Such comments, along with financial backing for Republican candidate Mitt Romney from a U.S. casino magnate who is also one of Netanyahu's biggest supporters, were seized upon by critics as evidence the Israeli leader was trying to undermine Obama.
Netanyahu denied he was interfering in U.S. politics.
But former Israeli ambassador to Washington, Sallai Meridor, suggested that Obama would not easily forget that Netanyahu had created a perception that Israel wanted Romney to defeat him.
Obama is "very strategic, very disciplined", Meridor said during a panel discussion on the U.S. election at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv.
"But I don't think we can just assume that what happened between them over past four years will have just evaporated," he said. "When people fight for their political life and have the perception that their partner is trying to undermine their chances, it's not going to disappear."
One of the Israeli prime minister's own leading coalition allies, Eli Yishai of the religious Shas party, said simply: "It's not a very good morning for Netanyahu."
PEACE TALKS
For the Palestinians, Obama's win over Romney - who offended them by suggesting during a visit to Israel in July that cultural differences accounted for the weakness of their economy compared with Israel's - stirred little emotion.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in a statement he hopes Obama "continues his efforts to achieve peace in the Middle East". U.S.-backed peace talks with Israel collapsed in 2010 over Israeli settlement building.
At the forum in Tel Aviv, Dan Shapiro, the U.S. ambassador to Israel, said it would be unrealistic to think Obama would choose to ignore the Palestinian issue in his second term.
"It always finds its way back onto the agenda. You can't expect this to go away or remain on the back-burner," he said, without offering a prediction of what Obama might do.
In the West Bank city of Ramallah, unemployed Narmeen Taha, 37, voiced hope that freedom from re-election pressure might make Obama readier to take the Palestinians' side: "Maybe Obama, now that he doesn't have to worry about re-election, will exert more pressure on Israel than during his first term.
"But I also don't think we'll see a sudden turnaround."
Obama's victory could complicate Netanyahu's run in Israel's January 22 national ballot, which opinion polls show he will win.
Former premier Ehud Olmert, who accuses Netanyahu of harming Israel's "most vital interests", was more likely to announce his candidacy now that Obama was returned to office, analysts said.
Olmert unsuccessfully pursued peace with the Palestinians before resigning in 2008 over corruption allegations. Should he run, Olmert is widely expected to seek to unite centrist and left-wing parties into a new bloc trumpeting slogans warning of four more years of acrimony between Netanyahu and Obama.
"Netanyahu bet on the wrong president and got us into hot water with Obama," the opposition Kadima party said on Facebook.
In his message to Obama, however, Netanyahu adopted a phrase used lately by the president's own supporters to describe strategic relations with Washington as "stronger than ever".

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 09 November 2012 - 02:07 AM.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:30 AM

Not sure if this has been posted but the ever so classy Paulina Gretzky tweeted this picture w/ the caption "Ya I Went There". I guess she realized that it would cause trouble because she ended up deleting it.

It's not a censored photo so I'll put it in spoilers

Spoiler


I feel like she's become Canada's version of a Kardashian... except not as famous despite who her dad is.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 07:43 AM

Not sure if this has been posted but the ever so classy Paulina Gretzky tweeted this picture w/ the caption "Ya I Went There". I guess she realized that it would cause trouble because she ended up deleting it.

It's not a censored photo so I'll put it in spoilers

Spoiler


I feel like she's become Canada's version of a Kardashian... except not as famous despite who her dad is.


Hey Wayne?? .. who is that skanky looking girl bearing your name? .. how embarassing .. poor parenting? .. Janet too busy with her gambling addiction? ..
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:43 AM

Congratulations to Mr. Obama for proving that style triumphs over substance. Here we have someone who never ran as much as a peanut stand running the world's biggest economy. The person who increased the US national debt by more than 6 trillion dollars.

The stock markets show what investors think of Obama's victory - a 300 point drop - the biggest drop this year.

60% of voters under 30 voted for Obama. Great, guess who would be stuck with the debt bill decades later. Them.

As for people in other countries celebrating Obama's victory. Will they still be still celebrating when the Obama orders an attack on Iran?


The same could have happened if Romney won and the democrats won the house of reps.

It's not about Obama it's about the fiscal cliff and both parties are responsible for that.

Even if it was a Republican sweep and they dealt with the cliff through nothing but cuts the US GDP would still take a big hit and the budget would still be far from balanced.

All that's really changed is when the market goes down (due to the cliff at the end of the year or if deferred the cliff that will occur when the deficit can is no longer able to be kicked down the road) and when it goes back up again (QE3 or whatever money printing needs to happen down the road). Unless your trying to time the market in the grand scheme all that is really setting up is a good buying opportunity.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:25 PM

Congratulations to Mr. Obama for proving that style triumphs over substance. Here we have someone who never ran as much as a peanut stand running the world's biggest economy. The person who increased the US national debt by more than 6 trillion dollars.

The stock markets show what investors think of Obama's victory - a 300 point drop - the biggest drop this year.


Obama took over on Jan 20, 2009. S&P on that day closed at 805. Today it stands at 1380.

It's up 58% during his term. One of the most impressive 4 year returns in the history if the index.

That is what shows what investors think of Obama and his (easy money) policies. A 300 point drop on the DOW barely registers on a long term chart.

BTW the S&P is the true measure of equities in the States, not the DOW. The S&P 500 is an index of the 500 biggest companies, while the DOW is only 30.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:28 PM

The flop in prices that made it get cheep in 2008 had nothing to do with Obama.

The run up in prices since then are more to do with all the money printing and inflation.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:37 PM

The flop in prices that made it get cheep in 2008 had nothing to do with Obama.

The run up in prices since then are more to do with all the money printing and inflation.


The flop in prices had much to do with William Donaldson's horrific term as SEC chairman and his ridiculous policies. Donaldson was a Bush appointee btw.

The money printing which undoubtedly has led to a resurgence in the equity markets are policies of Obama's administration. And the policy of the head of the Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke who serves at the pleasure of the president. Without those polices the markets would be laying in the gutter as they were when he took over.

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