alt kilgore Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 None of them won cups. The the three numbers currently in the rafters were long time team leaders who were dedicated to the team and the community. The only thing Bure was dedicated to was his paycheck. He wasn't here long enough, nor dedicated to the team or city. For his talent he deserved to be in the HHoF, but he doesn't deserve his number retired here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 How is it getting out of hand? There will be 4 numbers retired in 40+ years. Hockey probably won't even exist when all the numbers are even close to being used up. As for Bure's community work, here he is stealing a sick kid's glove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Like no other NHL player cared about his paycheck. Like no other player would have been miffed when a deal was finally offered that was rightly comparable to Mogilny and others at the same level and he finds out at the last minute that its in Canadian funds. Like no other player would have been p'd off when bonus money was held back. Like no other player would have been annoyed that when he was ready to sign after a 60 goal season, he was told that was a fluke and he'd have to prove himself for another year first. Not to mention, abandoning him in LA when he first arrived, not speaking the language, and making him pay money back to Russia out of money he hadn't earned yet. He could have been a d-head and aired his grievances publicly, but he kept it all private and stayed above the fray. I kind of wish he had aired it all, but he chose not to. If the Vancouver Canucks did not retire a number of a player inducted into the HHOF, that played his most productive years for their franchise, they would be the laughing stock of the league and gain a reputation of the biggest bone-head organization in sports. BTW Canucks Place wasn't even off the ground back then, but he still did his duties at event like this Ronald McDonalds event. How many hours of NON hockey stuff does he have to do to satisfy Debbie Downers like you in order to be recognized for his excellence on the ice?....You know, the job that he was actually being paid to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Like many others have pointed out, given the shallow criteria with the organization retires numbers ("be exciting" or "be a community guy, with decent-to-great ability") the team will have to retire the Sedins as well. That'll be 6 retirements in a short period of time. Given that same criteria, it's relatively easy to predict that there will be a lot of similar players for consideration in the foreseeable future, too. If these were numbers 89, 98, 92, etc. that's one thing, but to retire #16, 19, 10, etc. just seems wrong. In soccer, for example, it's an honour to wear a certain number, because with it comes not only expectation, but a constant reminder of those who previously wore it. Why retire #19 when it could be reserved for the next great captain we get, or something? Why not create an internal legacy in that regard, rather than retire numbers 2-through-20, just because they helped the team be ALMOST good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowest common denominator Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 bure would never have stood for this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Yeah, the Canucks should keep #10 around so that guys in the mold of May, Letowski, Tambellini, and Johnson can carry on the #10 legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 If the sedins, combined, had half the heart contained in Bure's left pinky toe, we would have a cup. Bure should have been in the rafters before Naslund, Naslund should not be up there at all. I don't care what type of a guy you are off the ice, this is HOCKEY goddammit. Nice guys get punched in the face like bitches. Nice doesn't win championships. Those twins and Nazzy are real "nice" guys. Bure was a monster, google that crap and get a lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I'd laugh pretty hard if they retired #96. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 ^ fyi. It wasn't Odjick who delivered the mother of all elbows. Not saying Daniel Sedin should deliver one too, but he might've been better served not letting Marchand do that bs to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 #10 is a bad example, because #10 is (generally speaking) a throw-away number in hockey, which is probably why Bure wanted a fancy-schmancy 96. And when you factor in the Canucks' stubborn commitment to "all players being numbered under 40," it raises even more problems considering our apparently loose requirements for considering players legendary or legends in the making. It's stupid. It's all short-sighted fanfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 ^ fyi. It wasn't Odjick who delivered the mother of all elbows. Not saying Daniel Sedin should deliver one too, but he might've been better served not letting Marchand do that bs to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 He loved money and stardom (chased big contracts, high profile celebrity lovers, etc.), but certainly didn't love Vancouver or the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberries Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Anyone else think this is one curse that needs to be lifted? It'll mean better KARMA goin' forward for sure! The fact that some locals are still resentful for not gettin' enough love from their young-stud hockey hero over the years.....just shows how insensitive folks were to his adjustments & development curve back then. North American kids get educated more on how to meet with all of the high-profile demands of being a pro in a very capitalist North American society. Still heart-warming tho' - that Bure made a few real connections while in VanCity...especially with earlier NHL teammates like Gino Odjick. Seems like there were few people who really knew how challenging & difficult it was for him to navigate thru those 1st months & years after departing communist Russia. I'm sure he appreciated those who understood & were patient with him...OR simply helped him to cope. It couldn't have been an easy or a true immersion experience - with a svengali-father in tow for much of it. By comparison - Valerie Bure's social-transition seemed to go much more smoothly. The Panthers acquired a more confident Pavel - who had obviously grown more comfortable with his fame...but we Vancouverites got to see him at his enthusiastic best... & for that I will be forever grateful! I'm really lookin' forward to seeing Bure's #10 hoisted into the rafters @ Roger's Arena. Good on Mr. Aquilini & his crew for working so hard to make it happen....so that maybe...this thing is eventually set to right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberries Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 If the sedins, combined, had half the heart contained in Bure's left pinky toe, we would have a cup. Bure should have been in the rafters before Naslund, Naslund should not be up there at all. I don't care what type of a guy you are off the ice, this is HOCKEY goddammit. Nice guys get punched in the face like bitches. Nice doesn't win championships. Those twins and Nazzy are real "nice" guys. Bure was a monster, google that crap and get a lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Like no other NHL player cared about his paycheck. Like no other player would have been miffed when a deal was finally offered that was rightly comparable to Mogilny and others at the same level and he finds out at the last minute that its in Canadian funds. Like no other player would have been p'd off when bonus money was held back. Like no other player would have been annoyed that when he was ready to sign after a 60 goal season, he was told that was a fluke and he'd have to prove himself for another year first. Not to mention, abandoning him in LA when he first arrived, not speaking the language, and making him pay money back to Russia out of money he hadn't earned yet. He could have been a d-head and aired his grievances publicly, but he kept it all private and stayed above the fray. I kind of wish he had aired it all, but he chose not to. If the Vancouver Canucks did not retire a number of a player inducted into the HHOF, that played his most productive years for their franchise, they would be the laughing stock of the league and gain a reputation of the biggest bone-head organization in sports. BTW Canucks Place wasn't even off the ground back then, but he still did his duties at event like this Ronald McDonalds event. How many hours of NON hockey stuff does he have to do to satisfy Debbie Downers like you in order to be recognized for his excellence on the ice?....You know, the job that he was actually being paid to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Wow, thanks Dr. Freud. Who doesn't love money? But he definitely did NOT love stardom. Celebrity lovers?..I only remember he had one rumoured brief affair with Anna Kournikova, but that was AFTER he left the Canucks. And so what? Like you would turn down Anna Kournikova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowest common denominator Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Neither did Bure. And if people messed with Bure, they'd have to deal with the criminally insane Odjick right after. Canucks don't have that right now, now do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Aww, somebody decided to whine about Bure again on his blog. Boo-hoo-hoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Perhaps this story came up just because we (they) need something Canucks-related to talk about. Have we been trolled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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