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#181 skeena1

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:16 PM

FYI Sunday the 11th at 5:30 pm Sportsnet Pacific is running a half hour special on Bure.
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:26 PM

And you're still trying to call the Sedins 'soft'. Grow up. Go watch Henrik's play this playoffs then get back to me. Or are you too scared to be proven wrong? Is that the case?


just watched it again.
still didn't see him put the team on his back and get them out of the first round.....
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:11 AM

quiet and reserved goody two shoes won't win you a cup.
just ask the hawks....the bruins.... and now the kings.

a team needs leaders with edge to win the cup.
the leaders of that detroit team all had edge.
our leaders are just plain soft. physically and emotionally.


Nothing against Lidstrom, he is amazing an all, but Henrik probably had the exact same "Edge" in 2011 that Lidstrom did in 2008.

And every team has players who don't lose there cool, and are "Reserved goody two shoe's" players. Boston had Krejci, LA had Kopitar and Voynov. Chicago had Hossa. The Sedin's played just as hard as each of them when we went to the finals. Just because not all of our players bang and smash doesn't mean they are useless in the playoffs.

You can say "goody two shoes" all you want. You want the Sedin's to show more fire than they do?

Remember last time they did that? Cause I do.Last time they showed fire was when Dave Bolland got under there skin, and how effective were they? They let Bolland get to them and insted of battling through it and continuing playing there game they showed the fire like you want and they didn't do anything good.

Different things work for different people, the Sedins are much better, more effective players when they battle through all the crap. If they had stopped with the Goody two shoes stuff in the finals we would have been out much sooner than game 7 because even though they have injuries and had to go against Chara non-stop they still provided most of the very little scoring we got.

IMO you just can't respect the way Europeans play, regardless of if it brings us success or not.

I'm glad Naslund is up there, and I will be even happier one day as I watch #22 and #33 get raised to the rafters.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 11 November 2012 - 12:14 AM.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:29 AM

The Canucks should invite Shane Churla.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:00 AM

I hate to sound like ignorant old Cherry but we need less swede and more canuck on the canucks. Look at the recent cup winners, loaded with canadian boys that know what it takes to win.


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:01 AM

I hate to sound like ignorant old Cherry but we need less swede and more canuck on the canucks. Look at the recent cup winners, loaded with canadian boys that know what it takes to win.



well those swedes (sedins, naslund, alfredsson, sundin, steen...) choose to stay loyal to canadian cities and adopt canada as their second home while you're spineless canadian boys (sakic, briere, brodeur, nash, doan, getzlaf, jumbo joe...) are too scared to handle the pressure of playing in a hockey craze market.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:43 AM

Why would you want to perpetuate lies and rumours about the best player the canucks have ever known?

As for retiring #s 22 and 33, give a few reasons. I don't see any. They sure as hell won't make the HHoF.


- #2 (Henrik) and #4 (Daniel) in all time Canucks scoring, and will be #1 and #2 by the time there career's end.

- Lead us to our 3rd Stanley cup final (the other two Captains jersey's have been retired)

- Generosity and work in the community.

- Possibly the best talents we have ever had (Beside Bure maybe as #1)

- For a Franchise that hasn't had a ton of "Franchise players" that are at the Calibre of the Sedins bispite our 40 year history, I think they deserve to be there.

- #9 and #10 All time in scoring by Swedish players (and will likely finish in the top 5)

- Only Art Ross winner's in Franchise history (and Henrik with the only Hart)


And Personally I think they will be Hall of Famers. They are the first of there kind, we have never in the history of the NHL seen anything like them and may never again, Twins that are both that good, have that great chemistry, are leaders, some of the best swedish players of all time, Olympic medals, individual awards. I don't think they are slam dunks, and I think it will take them awhile but they certainty have HHOF potential. There just so unique I think that if they could get a cup ring they would have amazing chances, the lack of a cup are the only things in my opinion that could hold them back.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:09 AM

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just watched it again.
still didn't see him put the team on his back and get them out of the first round.....

I saw him carry the team, but the 19 other guys didn't follow the leader.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 07:15 AM

Obviously, some people hold Nazzy in a higher regard than others, but as I've stated, he really accomplished nothing of note in his time here and his stats are severely avg. Not trying to bring him down but let's be realistic, by hanging #19 in the rafters, we have seriously lowered the bar for this honour and now the door is open to all kinds of mediocrity. If you can't look back objectively, then you are holding onto some kind of "childhood hero memories" of Nazzy, because he was average.

Bure didn't "play here for a little while". He was here for 7 seasons. And he was the most exciting player the canucks have ever known. And for that, he was railroaded out of town by piss poor management and negative media sentiment, which continues to this day and it is sickening.

Naslund, although captain, was pretty ineffectual.I always laughed when he would kind of pretend to get into the scrum and then easily be the first one to leave it, or only start yapping when the ref was between him and the opposing player. I appreciate Nazzy's contribution but I don't know why he is put on such a pedastal.
Deb. are you suggesting that someone should have their jersey retired based on games played and philanthropic hours put in?


He's the leading scorer in Canucks history.

You're making a joke out of yourself because your only argument is Naslund's STYLE OF PLAY. It's the same with the Sedins. Their European style of play apparently means they have less heart and are soft.

This is bull Canadian propaganda that you have grown up with.

The reason Sedins, Naslund and even Bure will never get the same respect as Trevor Linden? Because they're European. They're quiet, they don't speak too much. And for most part they didn't crash the net like Linden and Canadian players do. They don't represent the Canadian soul in the same way as Linden.

This means that according to you they deserve less recognition even though they have accomplished more than other players.

Sorry bro, but if you are captain for 8 seasons and leading scorer in points and goals you deserve just as much recognision as the guy who played 400 games and scored the most goals in the league for a couple of seasons. Especially if you played for a franchise that hasn't won a single Stanley Cup.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:41 AM

well those swedes (sedins, naslund, alfredsson, sundin, steen...) choose to stay loyal to canadian cities and adopt canada as their second home while you're spineless canadian boys (sakic, briere, brodeur, nash, doan, getzlaf, jumbo joe...) are too scared to handle the pressure of playing in a hockey craze market.


This statement might have some merrit.

However, I haven't been able to hang my Sedin jersey within any amount of pride since watching them get physically abused like bitches in the 2011 SCF and taking it with a smile. How can you? That display was pathetic and it's no wonder no one wants to "follow the "Leaders" "anymore. How can you respect someone that eats mouthfuls of crap during the SCF? Yes they have plenty of skill and are super nice guys, but they aren't bringing home the cup.

And you know why we lost 1st rnd last year? Because they aren't willing to go through that same amount of abuse, ever again, and they sure can't dish it out.

Sedin's jumped the shark in 2011, that's it that's all, meet you in the middle.

And very sorry to burst bubbles for all the Nazzy superpumpers out there, but he was nothing but average. Except for when Bertuzzi actually showed up and played like he should.

Is it awesome having record breaking seasons and getting the P trophy? You betcha.

But it sucks knowing that that is a s good as it gets because everyone steps it upwhen the real season begins and the Sedins just stay the course. No ups, no downs, just right down the middle. No Heart.

You can win a cup with euro's on your team but you can't win one with all euros. It gets too rough for 'em.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:06 AM

This is why there should be some kind of cooling off period after a player retires before honouring him. Unless you are a Gretzky/Lemieux type.

Retiring a jersey the night after someone hangs em up is going to lead to emotional choices based on near history. And things don't come into perspective until some time creates distance from your emotions and from the events that actually took place.

I'd like to see a 5 year cooling off period before a jersey retirement is even considered. Of course, that ship sailed with Naslund and now the Sedins are a shoe-in based on besting Naslunds mediocrity. And Naslunds being retired was based on the fact that he beat offensive records of some players that were not really known for their offensive prowess. Woopity doo

Retire ALL the ##########S!!!!

Edited by scottiecanuck, 11 November 2012 - 11:08 AM.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:13 AM

This statement might have some merrit.

However, I haven't been able to hang my Sedin jersey within any amount of pride since watching them get physically abused like bitches in the 2011 SCF and taking it with a smile. How can you? That display was pathetic and it's no wonder no one wants to "follow the "Leaders" "anymore. How can you respect someone that eats mouthfuls of crap during the SCF? Yes they have plenty of skill and are super nice guys, but they aren't bringing home the cup.

And you know why we lost 1st rnd last year? Because they aren't willing to go through that same amount of abuse, ever again, and they sure can't dish it out.

Sedin's jumped the shark in 2011, that's it that's all, meet you in the middle.

And very sorry to burst bubbles for all the Nazzy superpumpers out there, but he was nothing but average. Except for when Bertuzzi actually showed up and played like he should.

Is it awesome having record breaking seasons and getting the P trophy? You betcha.

But it sucks knowing that that is a s good as it gets because everyone steps it upwhen the real season begins and the Sedins just stay the course. No ups, no downs, just right down the middle. No Heart.

You can win a cup with euro's on your team but you can't win one with all euros. It gets too rough for 'em.


that's not it.
according to the brain trust on these boards it's:

A) injuries
B the ref's
C) the nhl conspiracy

few here recognize that the soft euro leadership of this team will never bring us the cup

Edited by winacup, 11 November 2012 - 11:14 AM.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:24 AM

Loser's always have a way of faulting other people for their misfortune.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:33 AM

He's the leading scorer in Canucks history.

You're making a joke out of yourself because your only argument is Naslund's STYLE OF PLAY. It's the same with the Sedins. Their European style of play apparently means they have less heart and are soft.

This is bull Canadian propaganda that you have grown up with.

The reason Sedins, Naslund and even Bure will never get the same respect as Trevor Linden? Because they're European. They're quiet, they don't speak too much. And for most part they didn't crash the net like Linden and Canadian players do. They don't represent the Canadian soul in the same way as Linden.

This means that according to you they deserve less recognition even though they have accomplished more than other players.

Sorry bro, but if you are captain for 8 seasons and leading scorer in points and goals you deserve just as much recognision as the guy who played 400 games and scored the most goals in the league for a couple of seasons. Especially if you played for a franchise that hasn't won a single Stanley Cup.


Sorry bro, but Naslund didn't even want to be here for the last few seasons. He was always hanging his head, had no confidence and was a useless leader on the ice. Remeber the SO shot when he couldn't even gain control of the puck when it was left for him at centre ice? He was done the minute Moore took out his knee. Shoulda retired right there and then, we could've taken the jersey right off his back that night and sent it to the roof.

In, fact, that is all he will be remembered for, as the catalyst that blew up the WCE era. Say goodnight

Nazzy was a captain by default, given the C after the vaccum left by the Keenan/Messier fiasco. He should have, by rights, restored the C to Linden upon Linden's return.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:00 PM

Sorry bro, but Naslund didn't even want to be here for the last few seasons. He was always hanging his head, had no confidence and was a useless leader on the ice. Remeber the SO shot when he couldn't even gain control of the puck when it was left for him at centre ice? He was done the minute Moore took out his knee. Shoulda retired right there and then, we could've taken the jersey right off his back that night and sent it to the roof.

In, fact, that is all he will be remembered for, as the catalyst that blew up the WCE era. Say goodnight

Nazzy was a captain by default, given the C after the vaccum left by the Keenan/Messier fiasco. He should have, by rights, restored the C to Linden upon Linden's return.

You seem to think you remember this well but say Moore took out Naslund's knee? You just invalidated everything you have to say in the subject.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:14 PM

that's not it.
according to the brain trust on these boards it's:

A) injuries
B the ref's
C) the nhl conspiracy

few here recognize that the soft euro leadership of this team will never bring us the cup


Because it turned out alot better when we had Canadian captains too right? I love Smyl and Trev believe me so I hate to kinda bash them but come on.

Since we have brought Europeans into our organization we have taken off to new heights.

Again, IMO you just can't respect what Europeans can bring.

This statement might have some merrit.

However, I haven't been able to hang my Sedin jersey within any amount of pride since watching them get physically abused like bitches in the 2011 SCF and taking it with a smile. How can you? That display was pathetic and it's no wonder no one wants to "follow the "Leaders" "anymore. How can you respect someone that eats mouthfuls of crap during the SCF? Yes they have plenty of skill and are super nice guys, but they aren't bringing home the cup.

And you know why we lost 1st rnd last year? Because they aren't willing to go through that same amount of abuse, ever again, and they sure can't dish it out.

Sedin's jumped the shark in 2011, that's it that's all, meet you in the middle.

And very sorry to burst bubbles for all the Nazzy superpumpers out there, but he was nothing but average. Except for when Bertuzzi actually showed up and played like he should.

Is it awesome having record breaking seasons and getting the P trophy? You betcha.

But it sucks knowing that that is a s good as it gets because everyone steps it upwhen the real season begins and the Sedins just stay the course. No ups, no downs, just right down the middle. No Heart.

You can win a cup with euro's on your team but you can't win one with all euros. It gets too rough for 'em.


- 5th Highest scoring Swede of all time

- Top scorer in Canucks History

- One 100 Point season, two 80-90+ Point season's, Two 70+ Point season's, Four 60+ Point seasons.

- Scored 30 or more goals 6 times, including one 48 goal year, then 40 and 41 goal seasons.

- Was PPG average in the 2003 Playoffs (14P in 14G), Was over a PPG Average in the 2004 Playoffs (9P in 7G) And that was Without Bertuzzi who you say he was nothing Special without

- Won the Lester B. Pearson Trophy, first time some one has one a Major trophy like that. (Bure won the Calder before, other than that nothing)


And it was the other way around, Naslund carried Bertuzzi, Bertuzzi was a 25 goal, 50 point player until he was put with Naslund, then he had 85 and 90+ point season's.

Also when Bert left Vancouver he never again reached 20 goals or even 40 points, whereas Naslund Had a 24G, 60 point season (06-07) and 25G, 55P season (07-08)

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

10, 12, 16, 19, 22, 33

They all deserve to be there. End of discussion.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:18 PM

Very disappointing to read the follow up article declaring that his jersey being retired may still not happen .

I have thought for a few yrs already that the canucks have handled honouring Bure very poorly since they slapped him in the face with a ring of honor offer
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:50 PM

Your mad at his lack of community service? Why does that matter? What if he was shy? Or not a people person. Or crazy vancity fans would leave him alone?


I'm not mad at all. Read my post again. Community service is only one part, and not the most signicant one, of what Bure lacks to deserve his number retired. I've given my primary reason several times and for some reason everybody seems stuck on community service. I suppose it's becaise nobody can come up with an arguement against insufficient games played.

What if he was just cheap? What if he just didn't give a crap? See, I can do what if's too.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:05 PM

Obviously, other factors trump Baggins' concerns about the length of his stay, his supposed lack of community service, and the lack of cup victories. Such as the hall-of-fame nod and the fact that he was the most-talented Canuck of all.

However, Baggins' concerns aren't even warranted. Length of stay? Like Ray Bourque in Colorado and Pat Lafontaine in Buffalo, that doesn't matter. Lack of cup wins? Um, no. If that mattered, a lot of names would have to come down, league-wide, including all of ours and Marcel Dionne's, for example.

So what's left is this apparent lack of community service that he performed.

First off, it's disputable what he, not being captain Trevor Linden, was able or allowed to do. It's also disputable whether or not he performed community service. Apparently he did, according to photographic evidence and testimonials. And lastly, it's disputable whether it's even important for the guy to do it. In any case, no, he's not Trevor Linden. Nobody is.

These factors aren't the real issue, actually. The real issue is that he left us. But while he was traded, you can say that his heart remained in Vancouver. Like Linden's.

The other issue is that some of us cannot move on and forgive him. (Even though what he did doesn't require forgiveness.)

As for being 'all grown up' and being emotionally detatched from Bure's impact on this club, i can't help but feel that is a line served up to justify a completely biased and petty viewpoint on the player stemming from his departure. To be so filled with ill-will towards this guy years later? Pretty emotional if you ask me.

I remember the Bure heyday quite clearly, from his first game against the jets onward. Fans of ALL ages had a huge boner for the guy and fans of all ages where choked when he left. I was old enough to figure out what was going on when he left, and i'm certainly mature enough now to move the hell on. But if people don't want to, that's alright. It changes nothing.

A lot of people were anti-Nazzy jersey as well. Considering that both Bure and Nazzy aren't Canadian, while Smyl and Linden are, i'd say it's fairly obvious what the other issue is. If these guys were Canadian? No problem, eh?


1 - HHof is an honor for a players hockey career. Number retirement is for a players contribution to that franchise. The two are not related.

2 - Colorado retiring Bourques number was rediculous and I said so at the time. Boston was a given on the other hand. Lafontaine is a mystery to me. I do wonder though if it had to do with Buffalo wanting to hire him. Which they announced 3 months later. But just because other franchises do stupid number retirements do we have to follow suit?

3 - Dionne played 12 seasons for LA. That's significant.

4 - I can't help but lmao at the Bure left his heart here. He sat out and demanded a trade AFTER everybody who had "wronged him" was gone.

5 - It's disputable what he was allowed to do? Players here have never been discouraged from giving back to the community. Are you actually suggesting management encouraged Linden to do charity work while telling Bure not to?

6 - There's no "bias" in my opinions at all. I simply don't see his number games played here as enough to warrant the teams highest honor.

7 - I have never once said the lack of a cup win is a reason not to retire a number. I said it is a factor that could make up for the lack of games played here. Just as above and beyond community service is a factor that can make up for something lacking such as a cup victory or length of service. Retiring a number is weighing all the factors not just one. The only one Bure has is high level of play. While lacking cup victories, community service, and length of service. One out of four isn't enough for me.


Reasons for retiring Smyl, Linden, and Naslunds numbers:
Length of service
Above and beyond community service
Long term captains

Reason to retire Bure's number:
He was exciting


Do you see a difference there? To me it really lowers the bar for retiring numbers here. Yes he was skilled and exciting. But on it's own that's not enough of a reason to retire his number. RoH at most.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:24 PM

well those swedes (sedins, naslund, alfredsson, sundin, steen...) choose to stay loyal to canadian cities and adopt canada as their second home while you're spineless canadian boys (sakic, briere, brodeur, nash, doan, getzlaf, jumbo joe...) are too scared to handle the pressure of playing in a hockey craze market.


Do you really think that's why the players you mentioned have stuck with American teams? Maybe they're just loyal to the team that drafted and developed them. That doesn't mean they are afraid to play in Canada. Of the players you mentioned, all except one were either drafted by or traded to their current team. Which means they didn't get to pick which team they played on. When it came time to resign, they obviously liked their new home and wanted to stay loyal to their team, There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, Sakic and Doan started off on Canadian teams, but their whole team was forced to relocate, and they've ended up spending their whole career with those same teams.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:52 PM

1 - HHof is an honor for a players hockey career. Number retirement is for a players contribution to that franchise. The two are not related.

2 - Colorado retiring Bourques number was rediculous and I said so at the time. Boston was a given on the other hand. Lafontaine is a mystery to me. I do wonder though if it had to do with Buffalo wanting to hire him. Which they announced 3 months later. But just because other franchises do stupid number retirements do we have to follow suit?

3 - Dionne played 12 seasons for LA. That's significant.

4 - I can't help but lmao at the Bure left his heart here. He sat out and demanded a trade AFTER everybody who had "wronged him" was gone.

5 - It's disputable what he was allowed to do? Players here have never been discouraged from giving back to the community. Are you actually suggesting management encouraged Linden to do charity work while telling Bure not to?

6 - There's no "bias" in my opinions at all. I simply don't see his number games played here as enough to warrant the teams highest honor.

7 - I have never once said the lack of a cup win is a reason not to retire a number. I said it is a factor that could make up for the lack of games played here. Just as above and beyond community service is a factor that can make up for something lacking such as a cup victory or length of service. Retiring a number is weighing all the factors not just one. The only one Bure has is high level of play. While lacking cup victories, community service, and length of service. One out of four isn't enough for me.


Reasons for retiring Smyl, Linden, and Naslunds numbers:
Length of service
Above and beyond community service
Long term captains

Reason to retire Bure's number:
He was exciting



Do you see a difference there? To me it really lowers the bar for retiring numbers here. Yes he was skilled and exciting. But on it's own that's not enough of a reason to retire his number. RoH at most.

Dont forget he was also far and beyond the best player to ever wear a canucks uniform not including guys like Messier and Sundin who where not even close to there prime while playing here
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:12 AM

Do you really think that's why the players you mentioned have stuck with American teams? Maybe they're just loyal to the team that drafted and developed them. That doesn't mean they are afraid to play in Canada. Of the players you mentioned, all except one were either drafted by or traded to their current team. Which means they didn't get to pick which team they played on. When it came time to resign, they obviously liked their new home and wanted to stay loyal to their team, There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, Sakic and Doan started off on Canadian teams, but their whole team was forced to relocate, and they've ended up spending their whole career with those same teams.


When Briere, a quebec native, became a free agent, he refused to sign with the habs. He later cited the prospect of anonymity in Philadelphia as opposed to Montreal as an additional factor in his decision. last year when Brodeur was asked about luongo and the scrutiny he had to deal in vancouver he said: " there's a reason i chose to stay in new jersey "

Sakic and Doan are the ones that really pisses me off. especially Sakic. he played 7 seasons for a canadian team then the nordiques relocated to a city where they couldn't even spell hockey and he seemed ok with it. Sakic may be a classy person and one of the greatest players of all time, but i can't stand players taking their talents to gary bettman towns. it's easy to win the stanley cup in places where hockey is an afterthought.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:45 AM

Dont forget he was also far and beyond the best player to ever wear a canucks uniform not including guys like Messier and Sundin who where not even close to there prime while playing here


Isn't that why he was exciting? It is not enough of a reason to retire his number.

One could argue that Bure is the most talented to play here. He never won any major awards while playing here other than rookie of the year, which of course has a limited field. During his time in Vancouver he only made it in the top ten in points twice. Fifth in 93/94 and third in 97/98. Naslund did it 3 times finishing second in scoring in both 01/02 and 02/03 and finished fourth in 03/04. He also won the Lester B. Pearson. The Sedins each have won the scoring title and the Art Ross that goes with it. Plus Daniel won the Ted Lindsay award, while Henrik won the Hart. Henrik has been in the top 10 for the past three seasons (equalling Naslunds three in a row Canuck record) and Daniel just the one time he won the scoring title. And they still have several playing years ahead of them yet.

It's tough to compare talent level from different eras. But Bure came into the league when it was at it's offensive peak in the 90's. While Naslund peaked during the dead puck era and the Sedins had just come into the league. The biggest difference between the four is Bure came into the league a star while the other three developed into stars. But the best comparison of talent level is how they compared to their peers during their respective eras.

Bure was a talented star player without a doubt. But is that enough reason to retire his number here? Wouldn't we have to retire Loungo's number based on Bure's going up? He's an all- star goalie, played six seasons here, has a Jennings award plus two Vezina nominations. If Kesler was traded tomorrow wouldn't we still have to retire his number as well? He's played 7 seasons here (with more games played than Bure), with three Selke nominations that includes one Selke win. Both have more star accolades to there credit as Canucks than Bure. Where do you draw the line? Our rafters will soon look like the Canadiens, except they have a 95 year history along with a boat load of Stanley Cups.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:58 AM

Baggins, I don't even think you are canucks fan, to be honest. You seem to come from a place of pure ignorance when talking about Bure. Spouting lies and rumours started 20 years ago by D S Cherry. Pat Quinn literally sat in Cherry's chair the next saturday and set the record straight. I guess the damage was done, thanks Grapes! What more do you need to get over your hurt bum? Why so much hate bra?

The career trajectory of Bure is this: He came into the League a superstar from his first shift and stayed that way till the end. His cometition level was unmatched. Skill, tenacity, heart, desire to win, adoration of the fans, respect from teammates, He truly had it all. Name one weakness, you can't.
Anyone who watched him, including all canucks alumni, will tell you there wasn't even room for arguement about the topic. Bure was THE BEST Canuck ever. He was the FASTEST, most gifted Player in the League. And yes, he was beyond exciting on top of it all.

Your swedish heroes, on the other hand, doddle away for a decade before finally potting 100 points. And thats it, they have peaked.
Naslund accomplished nothing, nothing, nothing.
Sedins are fun to watch in the regular season and then the playoffs come and they turn into human punching bags. PATHETIC.

In the context of jersey retirement, #19 has lowered the bar to the floor but it is done.

But I'm done knocking the twins and Nazzy, because I am a fan of them, despite their many flaws and severe weaknesses.


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Edited by scottiecanuck, 12 November 2012 - 07:35 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:38 AM

Y'know... while Twitter searching for Bure induction ceremony info, i couldn't help but notice that the ONLY guy being a douche about it is Iain MacIntyre.

Respect level for Bure: On the rise.

Respect level for IMac: Hits new low.

Self-servant.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:42 AM

You didn't seem to grasp most of the points, so i'll just wrap it up by saying that it doesn't really matter if you agree with everyone or not. Cheers.

1 - HHof is an honor for a players hockey career. Number retirement is for a players contribution to that franchise. The two are not related.

2 - Colorado retiring Bourques number was rediculous and I said so at the time. Boston was a given on the other hand. Lafontaine is a mystery to me. I do wonder though if it had to do with Buffalo wanting to hire him. Which they announced 3 months later. But just because other franchises do stupid number retirements do we have to follow suit?

3 - Dionne played 12 seasons for LA. That's significant.

4 - I can't help but lmao at the Bure left his heart here. He sat out and demanded a trade AFTER everybody who had "wronged him" was gone.

5 - It's disputable what he was allowed to do? Players here have never been discouraged from giving back to the community. Are you actually suggesting management encouraged Linden to do charity work while telling Bure not to?

6 - There's no "bias" in my opinions at all. I simply don't see his number games played here as enough to warrant the teams highest honor.

7 - I have never once said the lack of a cup win is a reason not to retire a number. I said it is a factor that could make up for the lack of games played here. Just as above and beyond community service is a factor that can make up for something lacking such as a cup victory or length of service. Retiring a number is weighing all the factors not just one. The only one Bure has is high level of play. While lacking cup victories, community service, and length of service. One out of four isn't enough for me.


Reasons for retiring Smyl, Linden, and Naslunds numbers:
Length of service
Above and beyond community service
Long term captains

Reason to retire Bure's number:
He was exciting


Do you see a difference there? To me it really lowers the bar for retiring numbers here. Yes he was skilled and exciting. But on it's own that's not enough of a reason to retire his number. RoH at most.


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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:17 PM

I love how the Canucks twitter is just taunting the hell out of us with the "Bure rumour" tweets.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

Doesn't deserve it.

Bure was one of my favourite players as a kid. I remember watching all the Canucks games with wide eyes hoping they'd just throw him the puck every time he was on the ice, then I'd watch Sports Page later that night just to catch the highlights of what I'd already seen.

But being "electrifying" isn't good enough. He should be honoured somehow, in some way, but retiring a shirt number is too much. He didn't win us a cup, he had no leadership qualities, he wasn't a noted community figure, and then he split (for reasons that vary depending on who's speaking about it). The whole thing seems... just wrong to me. The whole shirt-retiring ceremony is getting out of hand. It should be reserved for the absolute best-of-the-best, in my opinion, not for when a franchise wants to create buzz and fanfare where there otherwise is none.

When Henrik and Daniel retire, their shirts will probably be retired too, according to a 1040 panel and all the callers I'd heard last summer. That, according to all the fans and commentators, will be a no brainer. And like someone else said... 6 shirts in about a decade... and no stanley cup. It's almost embarrassing.


So a Hockey Hall of Famer who was perhaps one the most skilled players in hockey history doesn't deserve to be put on our bare bone rafters. Yeah, it is definitely reserved for the "best of the best" like Naslund and Smyl who didn't even make the HHOF. And people wonder why fans of other teams make fun of our organization and fans. His achievement alone should be enough to put him on our own rafters but I guess we are just too good to put a HHOFer on our own rafters. Pathetic...

Also, Stanley cup is a team achievement and not an individual achievement. This stupid idea that a player must win the Stanley cup in order to have his jersey retired is asinine. I guess we should retire Rome's jersey after he retires since he won a cup.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:20 PM

Isn't that why he was exciting? It is not enough of a reason to retire his number.

One could argue that Bure is the most talented to play here. He never won any major awards while playing here other than rookie of the year, which of course has a limited field. During his time in Vancouver he only made it in the top ten in points twice. Fifth in 93/94 and third in 97/98. Naslund did it 3 times finishing second in scoring in both 01/02 and 02/03 and finished fourth in 03/04. He also won the Lester B. Pearson. The Sedins each have won the scoring title and the Art Ross that goes with it. Plus Daniel won the Ted Lindsay award, while Henrik won the Hart. Henrik has been in the top 10 for the past three seasons (equalling Naslunds three in a row Canuck record) and Daniel just the one time he won the scoring title. And they still have several playing years ahead of them yet.

It's tough to compare talent level from different eras. But Bure came into the league when it was at it's offensive peak in the 90's. While Naslund peaked during the dead puck era and the Sedins had just come into the league. The biggest difference between the four is Bure came into the league a star while the other three developed into stars. But the best comparison of talent level is how they compared to their peers during their respective eras.

Bure was a talented star player without a doubt. But is that enough reason to retire his number here? Wouldn't we have to retire Loungo's number based on Bure's going up? He's an all- star goalie, played six seasons here, has a Jennings award plus two Vezina nominations. If Kesler was traded tomorrow wouldn't we still have to retire his number as well? He's played 7 seasons here (with more games played than Bure), with three Selke nominations that includes one Selke win. Both have more star accolades to there credit as Canucks than Bure. Where do you draw the line? Our rafters will soon look like the Canadiens, except they have a 95 year history along with a boat load of Stanley Cups.

The dead puck era started when the Devils introduced the trap and won there first cup and Bure still dominated , Luongo and Kesler are both good players but not a once in a life time sort of player like Bure was and thats why he is in the HOF and needs to be honoured with his number retired

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