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#61 theminister

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:36 AM

On topic...

Justin Schultz looked very good tonight. He carries the puck extremely well and can give 'n' go with ease. He is the type of player that can do a lot in a small amount of space. He still has body position problems on defensive plays but that can be chalked up to the increased level of competition from what he is used to. Considering his current level of play after a score of professional hockey games then basically the kid is a stud offensive prospect.

/ Maybe the Canucks should have offered him top 4 minutes. :lol:

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:42 AM

so filthy how he leads the AHL in points!
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:49 AM

It's insane he's leading the AHL in points. Give props to this B.C boy.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:57 AM

If this guy can correlate AHL success into NHL success we may well be looking at someone who will finish top-10 in defencemen scoring if not higher. A point-per-game from a defenceman in today's NHL is a rarity and he's doing it with great defensive play too.

Consistency will be the biggest difference between having one great 70 point season and putting up 60-80 points year after year for a couple of decades. Shame he's got no real mentor in Edmonton to guide him, which will make it all the more impressive if he ends up the next stud on defence.

Right now, after Lidstrom's retirement, the league lacks a superstar offensive defenceman. Sure guys like Karlsson, Doughty and Green have put up big numbers, but they all lack consistency (we'll see about Karlsson), so if Schultz can put some big seasons together he'll be revereed and remembered as the best of his generation.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:20 AM

If this guy can correlate AHL success into NHL success we may well be looking at someone who will finish top-10 in defencemen scoring if not higher. A point-per-game from a defenceman in today's NHL is a rarity and he's doing it with great defensive play too.

Consistency will be the biggest difference between having one great 70 point season and putting up 60-80 points year after year for a couple of decades. Shame he's got no real mentor in Edmonton to guide him, which will make it all the more impressive if he ends up the next stud on defence.

Right now, after Lidstrom's retirement, the league lacks a superstar offensive defenceman. Sure guys like Karlsson, Doughty and Green have put up big numbers, but they all lack consistency (we'll see about Karlsson), so if Schultz can put some big seasons together he'll be revereed and remembered as the best of his generation.


Lidstrom wasn't an offensive superstar the last couple years he played, so the league doesn't lack one, Karlsson and Doughty, etc were already putting up better numbers then Lidstrom.

If Schultz puts up some big seasons he will not be remembered as the best of his generation unless he plays really good defensively also. I don't see him as that type of player, maybe if he was like 19 and playing like this.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:11 PM

If this guy can correlate AHL success into NHL success we may well be looking at someone who will finish top-10 in defencemen scoring if not higher. A point-per-game from a defenceman in today's NHL is a rarity and he's doing it with great defensive play too.

Consistency will be the biggest difference between having one great 70 point season and putting up 60-80 points year after year for a couple of decades. Shame he's got no real mentor in Edmonton to guide him, which will make it all the more impressive if he ends up the next stud on defence.

Right now, after Lidstrom's retirement, the league lacks a superstar offensive defenceman. Sure guys like Karlsson, Doughty and Green have put up big numbers, but they all lack consistency (we'll see about Karlsson), so if Schultz can put some big seasons together he'll be revereed and remembered as the best of his generation.

You're going way too far.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:33 PM

People using the AHL to gauge a players potential just need to stop. The AHL has no basis for determining what a player is going to do in the NHL.

All you have to do is look at history to see that. Players that have been stars in the AHL have gone on to do nothing in the NHL. And players who have done nothing in the AHL have gone on to become stars in the NHL. It's impossible to predict either one.

The AHL and the NHL are much different leagues, and the talent levels in each league are worlds apart. Just be patient before calling somebody the next star of the NHL.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:44 PM

I went to the game last night. I sat behind their bench. I boo'd him all game long. What an idiot for not accepting the Canucks offer. We are entitled to Schultz and he is obligated to play here because he is from our province. I damn him to heck!


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:51 PM

Anaheim's gonna be a very hostile environment when Schultz is in town.


No it's not. It's Anaheim.

There'll probably be more Oiler fans in attendance.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

People using the AHL to gauge a players potential just need to stop. The AHL has no basis for determining what a player is going to do in the NHL.

All you have to do is look at history to see that. Players that have been stars in the AHL have gone on to do nothing in the NHL. And players who have done nothing in the AHL have gone on to become stars in the NHL. It's impossible to predict either one.

The AHL and the NHL are much different leagues, and the talent levels in each league are worlds apart. Just be patient before calling somebody the next star of the NHL.


Tell that to the people that are hyping Zack Kassian to death in the Prospects board.

Justin Schultz, at least, deserves the hype that he's getting. 7 goals, 16 points, 12 games played. Leading a team in offense that includes Jordan Eberle, RNH, and Paajarvi. The attention that he's getting is well-deserved.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

No love for Horak? (though im sure you just forgot about him, I hope :P)

And other than Markus Granlund who's still very raw, the 2011 draft is looking AWESOME for the Flames even just one year after. Baerschi, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, and Brossoit. Sucked that our own 2nd round pick which Chicago had was used to take Saad, worst part is Granlund was 2 picks after


Horak is legit. Baertschi has way more upside, obviously, but I see Horak as a 2nd line player in the NHL.

Baertschi looks every bit a franchise player... haha, hope I'm wrong for our sakes!
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:17 PM

PS Anyone booing a player based solely on their logo needs to grow some brain cells. Seriously idiotic.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:21 PM

Tell that to the people that are hyping Zack Kassian to death in the Prospects board.

Justin Schultz, at least, deserves the hype that he's getting. 7 goals, 16 points, 12 games played. Leading a team in offense that includes Jordan Eberle, RNH, and Paajarvi. The attention that he's getting is well-deserved.


Lots of defensemen put up a point a game or more in the AHL. That doesn't means they're going to translate that to the NHL.

Why isn't there a thread about Justin Faulk? He's basically doing what Schultz is, and he's two years younger. That's what people forget about him, is that he's not an 18 year old kid, he's 22. He should be in the NHL at this point, and would be if there wasn't a lockout.

But thinking that he's going to be an all star because of AHL success is just silly. The fact that he's outscoring guys like Jordan Eberle and RNH means nothing. That team is built on having a strong powerplay, and when your a powerplay QB playing with those two players, you're gonna pick up lots of points. They're not going to be clicking at that rate in the NHL though, that's all but guaranteed.

If anything, having guys like Eberle and RNH be outscored by players like Bolduc and Sgarbossa, just shows that the AHL is not a good league for gauging players. Point a game players in the NHL should realistically dominate the AHL, but they don't. It's a much different game than the NHL.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:30 PM

If this guy can correlate AHL success into NHL success we may well be looking at someone who will finish top-10 in defencemen scoring if not higher. A point-per-game from a defenceman in today's NHL is a rarity and he's doing it with great defensive play too.

Consistency will be the biggest difference between having one great 70 point season and putting up 60-80 points year after year for a couple of decades. Shame he's got no real mentor in Edmonton to guide him, which will make it all the more impressive if he ends up the next stud on defence.

Right now, after Lidstrom's retirement, the league lacks a superstar offensive defenceman. Sure guys like Karlsson, Doughty and Green have put up big numbers, but they all lack consistency (we'll see about Karlsson), so if Schultz can put some big seasons together he'll be revereed and remembered as the best of his generation.


His offensive upside is obvious, but these highlighted claims are extremely premature and not really based upon actual observation. If you watched last night's game agains Abbotsford, Schultz had two glaring giveaways right in front of his own net in the third period alone, which could very easily have ended up in the back of his net - his overtime, redeeming game winner is what you get with a guy like Schultz - he can make up for what was otherwise a forgettable performance with a flash of production. Schultz is going to shine with the group of young players he has joined, but he is nothing resembling a "defensive stud" and that part of his game is going to need some serious development before he can be projected to be the kind of two way defenseman you are suggesting he already is - not to mention that your assumptions about his future consistency (or inconsistency of players like Karlsson) is unsubstantiatiable.

Edited by oldnews, 11 November 2012 - 04:34 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:57 PM

Why isn't there a thread about Justin Faulk? He's basically doing what Schultz is, and he's two years younger. That's what people forget about him, is that he's not an 18 year old kid, he's 22. He should be in the NHL at this point, and would be if there wasn't a lockout.


There's probably not a thread about Justin Faulk because Justin Faulk didn't Steve Francis the team that drafted him, which then led to 90% of this board believing that it was a slam dunk that he'd sign here.

But thinking that he's going to be an all star because of AHL success is just silly. The fact that he's outscoring guys like Jordan Eberle and RNH means nothing. That team is built on having a strong powerplay, and when your a powerplay QB playing with those two players, you're gonna pick up lots of points. They're not going to be clicking at that rate in the NHL though, that's all but guaranteed.


I can guarantee you that if after 12 games played, Schultz had 0 goals, 1 assist, and a minus ranking, this board would be riddled with "he's a bust! Fabian Brunnstrom V2!" posts.

Saying that it means nothing is ridiculous. It took serious balls to do what he did, he's under a heavy microscope, and he's playing out of his mind. Give him some credit!
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:04 PM

He's not discrediting him, he's saying that comparing him to Norris-calibre defensemen like Karlsson, Green, Doughty, etc. is way too premature.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:23 PM

The kids a stud.

There is a reason every GM in the NHL was after this kid.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:49 AM

Too bad he was spooked by the Canuck's relatively empty prospect cupboard. He should have and probably would have been ours given a decent set of players in his age group to mature with instead of the two-man gang of Kassian and Tanev.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:14 AM

I saw some tweets on my feed about the Heat 'ripping' the media, anyone out there have any details on this?
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 03:53 PM

I like Gillis a lot, fact is he dropped the ball though. If your scouting staff operates under the rule, "best player available", then your GM should share in that rule. Tell Schultz whatever it takes to sign him. If he's not happy with his ice time then we have some excellent trade bait. Which is more than we are left with now.

For the record, I think he's gonna be better than Edler!
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:22 PM

I like Gillis a lot, fact is he dropped the ball though. If your scouting staff operates under the rule, "best player available", then your GM should share in that rule. Tell Schultz whatever it takes to sign him. If he's not happy with his ice time then we have some excellent trade bait. Which is more than we are left with now.

For the record, I think he's gonna be better than Edler!


Yeah, me too.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:22 PM

Schultz with 2 assists this morning. Eberle and RNH with 4 points. They all seem like they can't wait to get back to the NHL. SLow starts. They get up for the game when they really have to usually. They were down 5-2 with 3 min to go and scored 3 quick ones ont he PP.

6-5 loss today
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:50 PM

There's probably not a thread about Justin Faulk because Justin Faulk didn't Steve Francis the team that drafted him, which then led to 90% of this board believing that it was a slam dunk that he'd sign here.

eh?

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 02:08 PM

I like Gillis a lot, fact is he dropped the ball though. If your scouting staff operates under the rule, "best player available", then your GM should share in that rule. Tell Schultz whatever it takes to sign him. If he's not happy with his ice time then we have some excellent trade bait. Which is more than we are left with now.

For the record, I think he's gonna be better than Edler!


Gillis didn't drop the ball at all and its laughable that people think we had any chance at this player he was going to edmonton end of story he wanted guaranteed ice time and wanted to play on a young team

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

Gillis didn't drop the ball. Sorry kids. You guys blame everything on Gillis, you punks are laughable. He did nothing wrong but presensted their best offer. In the end he wanted to go to Oilers. I really wanted him too. We move on.
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1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

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combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:20 PM

Looks like we missed out on a true number 1 d man we so desperately need again... See Scott Niedermayer
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:28 PM

Looks like we missed out on a true number 1 d man we so desperately need again... See Scott Niedermayer


So now he's a true number 1 D-man?

Geez, after a couple more months of playing in the AHL this guy will be a lock for the hall of fame.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:07 PM

So now he's a true number 1 D-man?

Geez, after a couple more months of playing in the AHL this guy will be a lock for the hall of fame.


He's better then Crosby...
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:19 PM

He looks good, but he has LOTS to prove. Lets see him int he NHL before anybody carves out his career for him lol. Hey, I hope he is really good, but you never know until you see him int he NHL on a full Oilers team.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:45 PM

It came down to either us or Edmonton signing him. From a rival standpoint, looking at the team Edmonton is building why pass on him and have him sign there? They're looking like Chicago V2 from three years ago...OKC doesn't have Yakupov, Horcoff, Hemsky, and I think they just got Hall back.

For the record, I'm not a "punk", I have 10' skate logo tattooed over my heart and I was at game seven. I'm not biased towards my team though, I try to look at things objectively. All of which, is more than "overlord" can probably say. What's laughable is your grammar, you're missing around fives commas.
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