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#1 Imuzi

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:50 PM

A Saskatchewan man who refused to stop posting racist messages on websites is going to jail.

On Wednesday, a Federal Court judge sentenced Terry Tremaine of Regina to at least 30 days in jail for acting in contempt of an order of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal.

Tremaine, a former University of Saskatchewan math instructor, was found in 2007 to have posted messages online that attacked people of various races.

"The theme of Mr. Tremaine's messages was that Jews, blacks and other non-whites are destroying Canada and they should either be deported or segregated," Justice Sean Harrington said.

"They were described as vermin, a disease, parasites, criminals, scoundrels, embezzlers and liars. They were portrayed as dangerous and in some cases intellectually inferior."

Tremaine was ordered to stop posting such messages and when he failed to do so, he was slapped with a contempt order.

In a sentencing decision released Wednesday, Harrington ordered Tremaine to take steps to remove his posting from two websites — Stormfront.org and the National Socialist Party of Canada website.

If Tremaine complies with the order, his jail sentence is 30 days. If he refuses, he faces another six months behind bars, the judge said.

"Mr. Tremaine has clearly intended to flout the law, to demean the Tribunal and this Court," Harrington wrote in his decision, adding that Tremaine apologized at one point, but later recanted.

"I do not expect Mr. Tremaine to apologize," Harrington said. "He is a true believer. He is free to flout the order I am about to issue, but he must remember that freedom has its price."

Tremaine has been in and out of court in Saskatchewan, on matters relating to his online activity, for several years.

In September, a Queen's Bench judge stayed a criminal code charge of promoting hatred, because the case was taking too long to get to trial.

Justice Fred Kovach said the case had been dragging through the courts for more than four years and any trial date would still be several months ahead.

He ruled Tremaine's constitutional right to a trial within a reasonable time had been violated and as a result, the case couldn't go ahead.


At that court proceeding it was learned that Tremaine was living on welfare.


http://www.cbc.ca/ne....nced-1211.html


Just wonder what the general consensus on CDC was about this?

As much as I love Vancouver for it's diversity and mixing races I do think that this is a little harsh. Now before anyone jumps to a conclusion that I identify with these people I don't condone what this man has done.

EDIT: Just noticed that they got the messages from Stormfront which is a white radical group so I wonder if there was more than just this man sending hateful messages.

Edited by Imuzi, 08 November 2012 - 10:52 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:53 PM

A woman in Texas was sentenced to life in prision for gluing her childs hand, which got nothing but support around here. I suspect the concensus on this will be the chair.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:54 PM

Now imagine he gets raped by some big black dude in jail....
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:02 PM

Now imagine he gets raped by some big black dude in jail....

I'd rather not thank you :shock:
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:04 PM

I don't think uttering racist remarks in public should be worthy of arrest. It's similar to me as swearing. But seeing someone online be held accountable to the rubbish they type is nice. Can't stand people who hide behind a keyboard.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:10 PM

He is going to jail for what is essentially contempt of court. Under our legal system many quasi-judicial tribunals can file their decisions with a court and they become enforceable as court orders - it is part of the enforcement regime. Breach the filed order and one of the consequences is that you are in contempt of court which can lead to a jail sentence as has happened here.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:16 PM

I don't think uttering racist remarks in public should be worthy of arrest. It's similar to me as swearing. But seeing someone online be held accountable to the rubbish they type is nice. Can't stand people who hide behind a keyboard.

Swearing in public can result in Criminal Code charges:


175. (1) Every one who

  • (a) not being in a dwelling-house, causes a disturbance in or near a public place,


  • (i) by fighting, screaming, shouting, swearing, singing or using insulting or obscene language,


  • ...


  • is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:21 PM

Thanks for the info Wet. Are you back for the time being on here?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:23 PM

Thanks for the info Wet. Are you back for the time being on here?


only when the law needs explaining.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:35 PM

He is going to jail for what is essentially contempt of court. Under our legal system many quasi-judicial tribunals can file their decisions with a court and they become enforceable as court orders - it is part of the enforcement regime. Breach the filed order and one of the consequences is that you are in contempt of court which can lead to a jail sentence as has happened here.

Since you are a lawyer what is your opinion on judges?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:37 PM

A woman in Texas was sentenced to life in prision for gluing her childs hand, which got nothing but support around here. I suspect the concensus on this will be the chair.


Way to completely forget about the beating and sending the child into a coma....
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:40 PM

Swearing in public can result in Criminal Code charges:


175. (1) Every one who


  • (a) not being in a dwelling-house, causes a disturbance in or near a public place,


  • (i) by fighting, screaming, shouting, swearing, singing or using insulting or obscene language,


  • ...


  • is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.


I have been approached by the police for swearing before (yelling in a joking manner). All they did was take my name down, but yea, they do do that.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:44 PM

Since you are a lawyer what is your opinion on judges?

The ones that rule in my clients' favour are great, the others who do not - not so much.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:49 PM

I have been approached by the police for swearing before (yelling in a joking manner). All they did was take my name down, but yea, they do do that.


I've also been approached by police for swearing. Refused to give them my name. They just walked away.

Another time my friend was pulled over for too many passengers with his "N"...they tried to take my name as a "party to an offence" but I gave them a fake name.

Watch out, guys...I'm a badass. :bigblush:

EDIT: I do very much respect the police, however.

Edited by MaximYapierre, 08 November 2012 - 11:49 PM.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:11 AM

I've also been approached by police for swearing. Refused to give them my name. They just walked away.

Another time my friend was pulled over for too many passengers with his "N"...they tried to take my name as a "party to an offence" but I gave them a fake name.

Watch out, guys...I'm a badass. :bigblush:

EDIT: I do very much respect the police, however.


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I lol'd at someone saying the guy should get the chair
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:25 AM

It was not a one off incident, he kept doing it, even when told to stop. There is a difference between being an idiot and dropping the "N-bomb" once by accident, and saying an entire race should die, multiple times.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:51 AM

Ok, a little off topic but back in the day, I thought the Nazis only used the word "Socialist" in their party's name to appeal to the working class and gain popularity, while still holding a deep hatred for socialist and communist ideals.

Am I wrong? If not then why do political parties like the "National Socialist Party of Canada" which contain Nazi-like elements, continue to use the S word? Or are these guys for real insofar as they actually value Socialist ideals?

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:55 AM

I don't know about this. I think even the most despicable opinions should be allowed to be expressed, unless they're direct calls to violent acts.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:39 AM

That judge needs to stay away from the Rants and Raves section of Craigslist.
There's a bit of a recurring theme.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:21 AM

Now imagine he gets raped by some big black dude in jail....


Meet his cellmate

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:24 AM

I don't think you guys have ever actually been to Saskatchewan...
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:45 AM

Good.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:10 AM

I don't think you guys have ever actually been to Saskatchewan...


Well if he gets Saskatoon he's in for a treat. And by treat, I mean he will probably get shanked.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 04:12 AM

Meet his cellmate

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 05:41 AM

Their is voicing your opinion, then their is this
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 06:23 AM

What a moron. While he has the freedom to express his views, I'm glad that he is in jail for contempt of court. At least 30 days without that idiot's hatred poisoning the internet.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 06:47 AM

can we get the same deal for the next person to make a raymond, ballard and a first for........... proposal?
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 06:55 AM

From the front page of Stormfront.

Welcome to the Stormfront.
We are a community of White Nationalists. There are thousands of organizations promoting the interests, values and heritage of non-Whites. We promote ours. We are the voice of the new, embattled minority!


What do expect to read on this forum? Not defending the guy just saying you don't have to go too far to find similar things posted on the site. If there are hate laws, why do sites like these exist?
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 07:53 AM

A woman in Texas was sentenced to life in prision for gluing her childs hand, which got nothing but support around here. I suspect the concensus on this will be the chair.

Are you sure that's what happened? I seem to recall she glued her child's hands to the walls then beat the kid senselessly.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 07:57 AM

A woman in Texas was sentenced to life in prision for gluing her childs hand, which got nothing but support around here. I suspect the concensus on this will be the chair.

Actually, there were a few who thought that the sentence was excessive in that case, even though we still thought it should be severe.

In this case, it isn't so much what this guy was saying, but the fact that he continued to do so after being told multiple times to stop. In light of that fact, 30 days in jail is absolutely appropriate, IMO.
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