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#1 sampy

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:01 PM

To TO:
Lu, Alberts, Sauve, 2nd
To Van:
Rielly, Connolly, Franson

Toronto gets a much needed starting goalie, defensive depth, a D prospect and a high draft pick.
Vancouver gets a future offensive dman, defensive depth and a centremen. Connolly has next to no value but he only has 1 year left on his contract, offensive upside, can fill in at centre with injuries and may be a decent playmaker for Kesler. If Connolly doesn't work out let him walk at the end of the season. Capwise, it is fairly close.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:03 PM

They are not going to move Reilly.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:05 PM

They are not going to move Reilly.

An unproven prospect for a future HOFer and a high pick?? Seems fair. They want Rielly that bad, how about Gardiner. Gotta give to get.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:06 PM

Franson AND Rielly for Lu and spare parts? "Dream onnnnn, dream onnnn."
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:12 PM

Franson AND Rielly for Lu and spare parts? "Dream onnnnn, dream onnnn."

I may be... Franson has little value, TO got him in a cap dump and was a healthy scratch on a terrible Leafs team. Also, he doesn't even have a contract. Connolly is a cap dump. Lu and a high pick should be able to get Rielly. Swap on Gardiner. The Leafs have a few offensive dmen; Phaneuf, Gunnarson, Gardiner, Rielly...

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:23 PM

An unproven prospect for a future HOFer and a high pick?? Seems fair. They want Rielly that bad, how about Gardiner. Gotta give to get.


Burke has been spouting off for months that Reilly was their 1st pick overall even over Yakupov.

Funny thing is you need 6 D --- so having Reilly and Gardiner sounds like the start to a good young D core in Toronto.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:29 PM

They won't move Rielly.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:16 PM

They are not going to move Reilly.

They won't move Rielly.


Ah, why not.

Burke won't trade Rielly.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:55 PM

Lots of insider info in the replies to proposals around here. Apparently it's common knowledge who is off limits and who isn't on every other team in the league.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

Lots of insider info in the replies to proposals around here. Apparently it's common knowledge who is off limits and who isn't on every other team in the league.

Sedins FOR Colborne, Kadri

Sedins aren't off limits, right?

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 07:13 PM

Reilly??? HAHAHAHA ya right. Burke is soooo high on him.
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 12:56 AM

I highly doubt Burke would give up Reilly.

However, Connolly is an interesting idea. He is one of the few players in the league that has next to no value and has offensive upside.
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

how bout luongo for bozak, franson, and a 1st round pick(2014 maybe?)
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:01 PM

An unproven prospect for a future HOFer and a high pick?? Seems fair. They want Rielly that bad, how about Gardiner. Gotta give to get.


Teemu Selanne and Marty Brodeur are also gonna be future HOFers too. Doesn't make it a fair trade. Lu is 15 years older than Rielly.
You say Rielly is an unproven prospect, then why do you want him?
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 07:10 AM

burke wont trade rielly hes a stud if he does he should be fired

and why would we want a over paid center in connolly at 4.75 mill a yr when hes injured more than salo was in his career
id rather have laps play second line minutes for 1 mill a season than him or schroeder or sign arnott at 2 mill all better options your post was insane if we are trading luongo wed get at best carter ashton or colbourne and a first rounder and bozak and at worsed ashton and a 2nd and komisarek otherwise why trade him
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

More likely scenario with Lu going to TO is Luongo for Kadri & Franson. If we have to take salary in return to make it happen, then likely it would be Luongo & Sauve for Kadri, Franson, and Komisarek.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:36 PM

Franson might sign in Europe because he isn't given a big enough role in Toronto, Connolly can fill in for us on the second line but I don't think he'll put up that many points for us. and Reilly is untouchable because he's actually a very very good prospect.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:38 PM

An unproven prospect for a future HOFer and a high pick?? Seems fair. They want Rielly that bad, how about Gardiner. Gotta give to get.


I highly doubt that Alberts will be in the Hall of Fame one day.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:41 AM

To TO:
Lu, Alberts, Sauve, 2nd
To Van:
Rielly, Connolly, Franson

Toronto gets a much needed starting goalie, defensive depth, a D prospect and a high draft pick.
Vancouver gets a future offensive dman, defensive depth and a centremen. Connolly has next to no value but he only has 1 year left on his contract, offensive upside, can fill in at centre with injuries and may be a decent playmaker for Kesler. If Connolly doesn't work out let him walk at the end of the season. Capwise, it is fairly close.


1.) Burke won't let Rielly go in a trade for Luongo unless there was something very enticing going to Toronto with Luongo. Besides, Rielly was the best player in this last draft. Just ask Burke.

2.) Connolly has a modified NTC, so he may not even be available to be moved by the Leafs. And he has issues, several of which have already been mentioned.

3.) Franson might be included in a Luongo deal as a throw-in, something to make up for Burke giving Gillis an asset of lesser value than that being sought. He could say here, and play for many seasons as a 5/6 d-man until one of the current top-4 moves on. This could be soon, depending on how Edler's contract negotiations proceed. Should he want to move on, at the very least he might bring back a 2nd round pick.


Lots of what might be on Giliis' shopping list is still unknown. We do know that the team needs a top-6 scoring winger, a 2/3 center who can put up points and also be good on defense. Improvements on defense are always nice, and if a guy who is better than the current top-4 is available for the right price then it would be nice to pick him up. Otherwise, the defense is mostly good except for perhaps another veteran depth guy.

For all we know, Gillis already have Jason Arnott ready to be signed. If this is the case, then any deal for Luongo might include a winger rather than a center.

And while this next part is a bit "pie in the sky", Kassian is doing well down in Chicago. If Gillis doesn't find a top-6 winger then he might just risk going with Kassian, particularly if there is a shortened season. Likely won't happen, but ya' never know.

So, if the about situations are in effect (Arnott/Kassian), Gillis might try and go with a larger amount of trade value in prospects. This could result in a return of something like: one of Ashton/Colborne, 2014 1st, rights to Franson, one of MacArthur/Kulemin/Bozak. There may be a prospect or swapped pick going with Luongo.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 03:31 PM

1.) Burke won't let Rielly go in a trade for Luongo unless there was something very enticing going to Toronto with Luongo. Besides, Rielly was the best player in this last draft. Just ask Burke.

2.) Connolly has a modified NTC, so he may not even be available to be moved by the Leafs. And he has issues, several of which have already been mentioned.

3.) Franson might be included in a Luongo deal as a throw-in, something to make up for Burke giving Gillis an asset of lesser value than that being sought. He could say here, and play for many seasons as a 5/6 d-man until one of the current top-4 moves on. This could be soon, depending on how Edler's contract negotiations proceed. Should he want to move on, at the very least he might bring back a 2nd round pick.


Lots of what might be on Giliis' shopping list is still unknown. We do know that the team needs a top-6 scoring winger, a 2/3 center who can put up points and also be good on defense. Improvements on defense are always nice, and if a guy who is better than the current top-4 is available for the right price then it would be nice to pick him up. Otherwise, the defense is mostly good except for perhaps another veteran depth guy.

For all we know, Gillis already have Jason Arnott ready to be signed. If this is the case, then any deal for Luongo might include a winger rather than a center.

And while this next part is a bit "pie in the sky", Kassian is doing well down in Chicago. If Gillis doesn't find a top-6 winger then he might just risk going with Kassian, particularly if there is a shortened season. Likely won't happen, but ya' never know.

So, if the about situations are in effect (Arnott/Kassian), Gillis might try and go with a larger amount of trade value in prospects. This could result in a return of something like: one of Ashton/Colborne, 2014 1st, rights to Franson, one of MacArthur/Kulemin/Bozak. There may be a prospect or swapped pick going with Luongo.


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It's seems all the other poster agree that more than Lu is needed for Rielly. After watching Rielly in the Super Series game, I think MG should do whatever he can to trade for for the kid. After watching the Marlies play, Colbourne looks like a future Taylor Pyatt at best, not very physical. Ashton hasn't been that impressive but definately better than Colbourne. At this point, I'd rather keep Raymond over Kadri.

Lu, Shroeder, Sauve, 1st
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Would that get it done?? Burke needs a goalie bad. This is year 5 under his tenure and is no where near the playoffs with the goaltending tandem he has.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

It's seems all the other poster agree that more than Lu is needed for Rielly. After watching Rielly in the Super Series game, I think MG should do whatever he can to trade for for the kid. After watching the Marlies play, Colbourne looks like a future Taylor Pyatt at best, not very physical. Ashton hasn't been that impressive but definately better than Colbourne. At this point, I'd rather keep Raymond over Kadri.

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Rielly

Would that get it done?? Burke needs a goalie bad. This is year 5 under his tenure and is no where near the playoffs with the goaltending tandem he has.


I don't see Rielly going anywhere, unless it was for a huge overpayment like Luongo, Vancouver's 1st, Edler, and at least one of the Canuck's top prospects. And probably Kesler. Possibly Kassian. And Gillis would also have to take back Komisarek and Lombardi.


I'd say that Burke is in need of a goalie. Luongo may be his guy, for the right price. This being said, the longer the lock-out continues, the more Vancouver's asking price might change.

The usual suspects of what Gillis wants back in a deal for Luongo are an impact roster player, a top prospect and a 1st. So, I speculate on the following:


1.) The Leafs (for example) would not want to move any of their top roster players considering their lack of depth. Quite often the names coming forward as roster players from Toronto are guys like Bozak, MacArthur or Connolly who are on the last year of their current contracts. Other than as supplying a cap dump for Toronto to help close the deal, would the Canucks benefit all that much from getting one of these guys? They would be the equivalent of rental players. If it was still September then there might be more benefit. Perhaps they would help the some through the remainder of the season and into the playoffs, but I'm having my doubts. And if Gillis was interested in keeping one of them then he would have gained about a month to try and hammer out a deal before they went UFA.


2.) Another aspect to this is that we don't know if Gillis has any other irons in the fire as far as other UFA signings or trades. If Gillis was close to working out a deal with Arnott would he really be all that interested in Bozak?

And depending on how many weeks were left in the season when it starts (assuming this season does happen), might not Gillis just go with what he already has and platoon Burrows, Kassian, Hansen and Weise on the right side? And if need be, he might even move Higgins over to the right-wing. If this were the case, why take one of the roster players, once again other than to facilitate a cap dump for the Leafs?


With roster players of limited utility and duration of contract likely being made available, I think Gillis might press to get more in the way of prospects and picks. I could see him trying to get at least two of Colborne (who is a big guy who reportedly uses his size well to shelter the puck, but isn't a punishing hitter), Carter Ashton (power forward type, but not necessarily a big point getter), and Tyler Biggs (also big, physical, but not as yet seen as a huge offensive threat). I could also see him trying to get a d-man prospect like Blacker, or even the RFA rights to Franson.

If Burke doesn't want to trade a 1st, then Gillis gets a prospect from Colborne/Ashton/Biggs.


To Toronto: Luongo, a mid-level prospect, a non-1st round draft pick, choice of Raymond or Ballard/Alberts

To Vancouver: two of Colborne/Ashton/Biggs, 2013 1st or the guy not taken from Colborne/Ashton/Biggs. Blacker or the rights to Franson, a cap dump contract.


No, I do not think that this would be the deal. It is merely to illustrate how Gillis' objectives of the deal could change the longer the lockout drags on.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:08 AM

An unproven prospect for a future HOFer and a high pick?? Seems fair. They want Rielly that bad, how about Gardiner. Gotta give to get.


Luongo future HOFer ?

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There are only 36 goalies in the hall of fame. in the past 20 years only Roy, Belfour and Fuhr made it!



Luongo will have to battle the like of Hasek and Brodeur. Do you really put Luongo before them?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:26 AM

Luongo future HOFer ?

No stanley cup
No vezina

There are only 36 goalies in the hall of fame. in the past 20 years only Roy, Belfour and Fuhr made it!



Luongo will have to battle the like of Hasek and Brodeur. Do you really put Luongo before them?

Lu is also currently 17th in the all-time goalie wins and will easily be top 10, probably top 5, by time he finishes his career. So yes, I think he will one day make the hall of fame while proving how ungrateful Canucks fans are.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:35 AM

Luongo future HOFer ?

No stanley cup
No vezina

There are only 36 goalies in the hall of fame. in the past 20 years only Roy, Belfour and Fuhr made it!



Luongo will have to battle the like of Hasek and Brodeur. Do you really put Luongo before them?

Adam Oates and Pavel Bure never won a Cup yet they're in the HHOF. Obviously Luongo won't get in before Brodeur or Hasek, but he does have a good chance of getting in.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

Lu is also currently 17th in the all-time goalie wins and will easily be top 10, probably top 5, by time he finishes his career. So yes, I think he will one day make the hall of fame while proving how ungrateful Canucks fans are.


Curtis Joseph is 4th of all time for the Wins, and that doesn't make him a HOF.

I agree Luongo have a chance to make it, as do Barasso, Hextall, Vanbiesbrouck, Moog, Osgood, Vernon and other.

But calling him a future HOF, the way we would call Brodeur, is a stretch.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:29 PM

Curtis Joseph is 4th of all time for the Wins, and that doesn't make him a HOF.

I agree Luongo have a chance to make it, as do Barasso, Hextall, Vanbiesbrouck, Moog, Osgood, Vernon and other.

But calling him a future HOF, the way we would call Brodeur, is a stretch.

Cujo will be considered for HOF one day in the future. Currently there are superstars waiting to get in. Some years eligibility are weaker than others.
I agree Lu is not even in the same breath as Brodeur but I believe Lu will be considered one day, especially if he finishes off his career strong.
Though Rielly looks like the real deal, there is no guarantees.
Lu, prospect and pick should be enough for Rielly.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:32 PM

They won't move Rielly.


And schenn is worth 10 1st round picks lol.. It really wouldn't surprise me to see Burke trade him and spin it back to the media that elite goaltenders are impossible to get and mason Raymond is faster than Bolt, blah, blah..
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

And schenn is worth 10 1st round picks lol.. It really wouldn't surprise me to see Burke trade him and spin it back to the media that elite goaltenders are impossible to get and mason Raymond is faster than Bolt, blah, blah..


Well that's a bit different, Burke said that before Schenn had 2 tough season's, it had become obvious later that Schenn wasn't progressing as Burke thought he would.

If Rielly struggles for a few years, then maybe they will, but right now there is no chance they trade him. Burke said himself he would have taken him over Yakupov or anyone else in that draft.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:55 PM

Lu is also currently 17th in the all-time goalie wins and will easily be top 10, probably top 5, by time he finishes his career. So yes, I think he will one day make the hall of fame while proving how ungrateful Canucks fans are.


Top 5? I'd say that's doubtful.
Luongo is most likely going to be traded to a team that's not that great (TO, FLA). The last time Luongo was on a lousy team he didn't fare so well in the wins department. Couple that with the fact he is going on 34 years old and may only have a few good years left. Top 10, maybe.
For serious HOF consideration he will probably need at least one Vezina and or at least one Stanley Cup, both of which are very far from guaranteed.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:10 PM

Top 5? I'd say that's doubtful.
Luongo is most likely going to be traded to a team that's not that great (TO, FLA). The last time Luongo was on a lousy team he didn't fare so well in the wins department. Couple that with the fact he is going on 34 years old and may only have a few good years left. Top 10, maybe.
For serious HOF consideration he will probably need at least one Vezina and or at least one Stanley Cup, both of which are very far from guaranteed.


I agree, I think he was one of the best of his generation, but without the hardware to prove it, it will be tough for him to get in, despite his great stats.
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