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You dodged the question.

You said "I am free to laugh uproariously at where your whacky interpretations take you."

I asked "does that make you a better person"?

Sorry, you can't take the 5th in this country.

Please answer the question and remember you are under oath.

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Hmm, if religion is so unscientific, then why do so many scientists still believe in it? Perhaps not specifically Yahweh, but a so-called higher power or a sense of connectivity in the universe. It's illogical, but yet it's still there, even with the higher minds of Einstein and Hawking. Why? It seems to be a fundamental need: To put something in place of what science is incapable of understanding.

What established churches have done is to take that need, give it a name, a history, a cast of characters, and a personality (human form, of course) so the layman can relate to it far more easily. Then the church can make up whatever rules it so desires in order to feed another basic fundamental human need: The need to control other humans.

It should be no surprise that the weak and the desperate are the ones most likely to find Yahweh or Jesus. These people have of course been targeted since the days of the Hebrew slaves. (Don't worry about the slavery/persecution, folks. You're the chosen ones, etc. Did you hear about the latest miracle? That guy was healed. This guy was resurrected. Oh yeah, it happened alright. Now donate here and here and here if you want to stay in the club and receive benefits.)

Even if these miracles were true or if Yahweh and Jesus did exist, you have to admit that it's been one of the biggest cash cows and power grabs in history. Hell, the majority of the modern world believes in this Yahweh character. THAT'S power.

Anyway, our needs have to be met, don't they? If we need to believe in a personal God, then that's our right, unscientific or not. And when that need is being met, well, the 'burden of proof' about whether the belief is in something real or not seems pretty insignificant. Belief doesn't require proof.

What science should do is try to explain the unexplainable, but thus far there is no way to apply the scientific method to spirituality, the existence of a soul, the afterlife, or even the existence of God. Other than to say 'prove it yourself.' Although there have been spiritual experiences, etc. among believers, if belief in these things doesn't require proof, what then?

This is why the two worlds collide and will always reach no conclusion but a stalemate. Look it up yourself with google for more info on the religion/science stalemate. Thank you.

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Hmm, if religion is so unscientific, then why do so many scientists still believe in it? Perhaps not specifically Yahweh, but a so-called higher power or a sense of connectivity in the universe. It's illogical, but yet it's still there, even with the higher minds of Einstein and Hawking. Why? It seems to be a fundamental need: To put something in place of what science is incapable of understanding.

What established churches have done is to take that need, give it a name, a history, a cast of characters, and a personality (human form, of course) so the layman can relate to it far more easily. Then the church can make up whatever rules it so desires in order to feed another basic fundamental human need: The need to control other humans.

It should be no surprise that the weak and the desperate are the ones most likely to find Yahweh or Jesus. These people have of course been targeted since the days of the Hebrew slaves. (Don't worry about the slavery/persecution, folks. You're the chosen ones, etc. Did you hear about the latest miracle? That guy was healed. This guy was resurrected. Oh yeah, it happened alright. Now donate here and here and here if you want to stay in the club and receive benefits.)

Even if these miracles were true or if Yahweh and Jesus did exist, you have to admit that it's been one of the biggest cash cows and power grabs in history. Hell, the majority of the modern world believes in this Yahweh character. THAT'S power.

Anyway, our needs have to be met, don't they? If we need to believe in a personal God, then that's our right, unscientific or not. And when that need is being met, well, the 'burden of proof' about whether the belief is in something real or not seems pretty insignificant. Belief doesn't require proof.

What science should do is try to explain the unexplainable, but thus far there is no way to apply the scientific method to spirituality, the existence of a soul, the afterlife, or even the existence of God. Other than to say 'prove it yourself.' Although there have been spiritual experiences, etc. among believers, if belief in these things doesn't require proof, what then?

This is why the two worlds collide and will always reach no conclusion but a stalemate. Look it up yourself with google for more info on the religion/science stalemate. Thank you.

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Hmm, if religion is so unscientific, then why do so many scientists still believe in it? Perhaps not specifically Yahweh, but a so-called higher power or a sense of connectivity in the universe. It's illogical, but yet it's still there, even with the higher minds of Einstein and Hawking. Why? It seems to be a fundamental need: To put something in place of what science is incapable of understanding.

What established churches have done is to take that need, give it a name, a history, a cast of characters, and a personality (human form, of course) so the layman can relate to it far more easily. Then the church can make up whatever rules it so desires in order to feed another basic fundamental human need: The need to control other humans.

It should be no surprise that the weak and the desperate are the ones most likely to find Yahweh or Jesus. These people have of course been targeted since the days of the Hebrew slaves. (Don't worry about the slavery/persecution, folks. You're the chosen ones, etc. Did you hear about the latest miracle? That guy was healed. This guy was resurrected. Oh yeah, it happened alright. Now donate here and here and here if you want to stay in the club and receive benefits.)

Even if these miracles were true or if Yahweh and Jesus did exist, you have to admit that it's been one of the biggest cash cows and power grabs in history. Hell, the majority of the modern world believes in this Yahweh character. THAT'S power.

Anyway, our needs have to be met, don't they? If we need to believe in a personal God, then that's our right, unscientific or not. And when that need is being met, well, the 'burden of proof' about whether the belief is in something real or not seems pretty insignificant. Belief doesn't require proof.

What science should do is try to explain the unexplainable, but thus far there is no way to apply the scientific method to spirituality, the existence of a soul, the afterlife, or even the existence of God. Other than to say 'prove it yourself.' Although there have been spiritual experiences, etc. among believers, if belief in these things doesn't require proof, what then?

This is why the two worlds collide and will always reach no conclusion but a stalemate. Look it up yourself with google for more info on the religion/science stalemate. Thank you.

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Hmm, if religion is so unscientific, then why do so many scientists still believe in it? Perhaps not specifically Yahweh, but a so-called higher power or a sense of connectivity in the universe. It's illogical, but yet it's still there, even with the higher minds of Einstein and Hawking. Why? It seems to be a fundamental need: To put something in place of what science is incapable of understanding.

What established churches have done is to take that need, give it a name, a history, a cast of characters, and a personality (human form, of course) so the layman can relate to it far more easily. Then the church can make up whatever rules it so desires in order to feed another basic fundamental human need: The need to control other humans.

It should be no surprise that the weak and the desperate are the ones most likely to find Yahweh or Jesus. These people have of course been targeted since the days of the Hebrew slaves. (Don't worry about the slavery/persecution, folks. You're the chosen ones, etc. Did you hear about the latest miracle? That guy was healed. This guy was resurrected. Oh yeah, it happened alright. Now donate here and here and here if you want to stay in the club and receive benefits.)

Even if these miracles were true or if Yahweh and Jesus did exist, you have to admit that it's been one of the biggest cash cows and power grabs in history. Hell, the majority of the modern world believes in this Yahweh character. THAT'S power.

Anyway, our needs have to be met, don't they? If we need to believe in a personal God, then that's our right, unscientific or not. And when that need is being met, well, the 'burden of proof' about whether the belief is in something real or not seems pretty insignificant. Belief doesn't require proof.

What science should do is try to explain the unexplainable, but thus far there is no way to apply the scientific method to spirituality, the existence of a soul, the afterlife, or even the existence of God. Other than to say 'prove it yourself.' Although there have been spiritual experiences, etc. among believers, if belief in these things doesn't require proof, what then?

This is why the two worlds collide and will always reach no conclusion but a stalemate. Look it up yourself with google for more info on the religion/science stalemate. Thank you.

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try imagine if Jesus was or not conservative or liberal is impossible. for his time he was extremely liberal, even revolutionary. however today Jesus would be very conservative for our standarts. Jesus also wasn´t Communist, Socialist, Capitalist or liberal. He was a guy thinking about the people without being in one or on the other side...

The modern society is soo engaged to find answers that everyone tries see where our questions go. Jesus wasn´t a white guy like many people think. Jesus lived in a place where predominantly of the population were arabic and black. would you stop believe in Jesus if He was black?

maybe instead try find answers and "who is right" we should learn the good things that Jesus transmitted to the people...

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try imagine if Jesus was or not conservative or liberal is impossible. for his time he was extremely liberal, even revolutionary. however today Jesus would be very conservative for our standarts. Jesus also wasn´t Communist, Socialist, Capitalist or liberal. He was a guy thinking about the people without being in one or on the other side...

The modern society is soo engaged to find answers that everyone tries see where our questions go. Jesus wasn´t a white guy like many people think. Jesus lived in a place where predominantly of the population were arabic and black. would you stop believe in Jesus if He was black?

maybe instead try find answers and "who is right" we should learn the good things that Jesus transmitted to the people...

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Right. Why is Jesus always depicted as a white person? Because that's the Western worlds version of him? And while we're on that topic, how come God is always depicted as a 'he'? Does it state this in the bible, because I haven't actually ever looked at the book aside from the ones given in hotel rooms. I mean, man is supposedly made in his image, and man meaning humanity, no? Maybe God is a transsexual. How do you account for the women otherwise? And is God 47 different races and skin pigments? How do you account for all these different races if there is only one God which we're created after? Also, if we're made in his image, why are we not invisible? Why are we not supernatural and not able to create our own creations and universes and planets, and nature, and laws which these creations have to abide by? Created in his image? Hardly. It's like he's picking and choosing. Kind of like how which parts of the bible most Christians choose to follow and which to ignore.

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So here we go. Many Conservatives believe they are doing Gods work. Most liberals think that If there was a God there is no way he is a Conservative. The question there arises if he isn't a Conservative then is he Liberal. Or Is he conservative as the Conservatives believe today?

The bible is pretty clear that Jesus is protector of the people who can not do for themselves, The poor the disabled the oppressed. He opposed money as was shown when he flips the money changers tables in Jerusalem. Does this on the other hand promote militancy as long as it righteous?

In my mind Jesus is as Liberal as they come. Jesus would be the ultimate Liberal in my mind. Willing to battle for the poor and the needy the right man to battle the rich and the oppressors.

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There is no doubt that science and reason is powerful. But it is limited. Pure scientific method as we know it today cannot possibly analyze religion itself, only religious artifacts, historic claims and such. The insignificant aspects of religion.

Moreso, while scientists have largely denied the existence of Yahweh, they don't deny that religion is a significant guiding force behind their motives. The sense of right and wrong, morality etc. If science were left alone, without these inbred principles, you'd find it to be very cold and dark. For starters, science would have us kill off the weak and the sick because of natural selection, have us not only deny God, but also restrict all creative and imaginitive thought, because it's utter nonsense, etc. In fact pure, unguided, cold science would outright rob us of our humanity.

While you might not agree with what is happening with all the destruction caused by greed and righteousness in the name of Yahweh, you cannot dismiss religion, in the sense of our common guiding principles on morality, as being not worthy of belief.

The scientific proof of Yahweh is inconsequential when you put religion in this scope.

Believing in something makes it no more true than just stating something. Granted, preachers have been good at selling their product, but believing something due to someone else believing it is devoid of logic, and the inability to falsify any non-tangible, spiritual "thing" aids in the ability to dismiss it on the the fact that beliefs and statements by themselves are no more closer to the truth than hearing rumours on the internetz. Proof and usefulness is the reason science flourished when it could no longer be repressed by the superstitious, and that's where the concept of "doesn't require proof".. "doesn't fly", when this fiction is used as a tool against others.

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The sense of right and wrong, morality etc. If science were left alone, without these inbred principles, you'd find it to be very cold and dark. For starters, science would have us kill off the weak and the sick because of natural selection, have us not only deny God, but also restrict all creative and imaginitive thought, because it's utter nonsense, etc. In fact pure, unguided, cold science would outright rob us of our humanity.
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Right. Why is Jesus always depicted as a white person? Because that's the Western worlds version of him? And while we're on that topic, how come God is always depicted as a 'he'? Does it state this in the bible, because I haven't actually ever looked at the book aside from the ones given in hotel rooms. I mean, man is supposedly made in his image, and man meaning humanity, no? Maybe God is a transsexual. How do you account for the women otherwise? And is God 47 different races and skin pigments? How do you account for all these different races if there is only one God which we're created after? Also, if we're made in his image, why are we not invisible? Why are we not supernatural and not able to create our own creations and universes and planets, and nature, and laws which these creations have to abide by? Created in his image? Hardly. It's like he's picking and choosing. Kind of like how which parts of the bible most Christians choose to follow and which to ignore.

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