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Poll: U.S. or European Goalies? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

Which one has had the best over the years?

  1. U.S. (5 votes [20.00%] - View)

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  2. Europe (20 votes [80.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 80.00%

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#1 Hunter56

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:59 AM

Something that I started thinking about recently and thought it would be a good debate. I originally was thinking Canada-US-Europe but quickly knew it would've been absurd due to Canada massively outnumbering the other two.

I'll be honest, if it were a few years ago it would probably be Europe -- but due to what has transpired over the last couple seasons I think that the U.S. has a pretty strong standing. Two American goalies in the past two seasons has won the very prestigious Con Smytte trophy, something that no European goalie has yet to do (at least to my knowledge) but that doesn't take away to how good some goalies from Europe have been.

I'll list a few notables from both, if you have any other info please feel free to chime in.

U.S. Notables:

Frank "Mr. Zero" Brimsek
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Tom Barrasso
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Mike Richter
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John Vanbiesbrouck
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Tim Thomas
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Jonathan Quick
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European Notables:

Vladislav Tretiak
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Dominik Hasek
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Miikka Kiprusoff
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Nikolai Khabibulin
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Pekka Rinne
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

I guess it depends on how you define 'better'. By volume, I would say more quality goalies have come out of Europe.

Some more examples...

Henrik Lundqvist
Olaf Kolzig
Jaro Halak
Arturs Irbe
Peter Skudra
Cristobal Huet
Evgeni Nabokov
Ilya Bryzgalov
Simeon Varlamov
Sergei Bobrovsky
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:15 AM

a list of current european nhl goalies..most of them are starters in their teams

Sergei Brobovsky
Dimitri Nabokov
Simeon Varlamov
Henrik Lundqvist
Ilya Bryzgalov
Jaroslav Halak
Jonas Hiller
Antti Niemi
Kari Lethonen
Tuukka Rask
Ondrej Pavelec
Michal Neuvirth
Tomas Vokoun

i guess i missed some guys

well as german i think thomas greiss has a huge potential
would like to see play him more than 15 games per season

Edited by TheGermanCanuck, 13 November 2012 - 11:26 AM.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:55 AM

I'm surprised no one had mentioned Schneider yet.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:06 PM

IMO, Europe has outproduced the U.S. over hockey history; even if they weren't in the NHL as early as the Americans they still dominated on the international stage (Tretiak, Dzurilla, Lindmark), and the pioneers into the NHL were amazing (Hasek, Lindbergh, Kolzig). Now, look at how many top-notch goalies since the new millennium are European (Nabokov, Khabibulin, Kiprusoff, Lundqvist, Rinne, Halak).

But, I'd say the States right now has the best goalies out of any country (Thomas, Quick, Miller, Howard, Schneider) with Finland (Kiprusoff, Rinne, Backstrom, Lehtonen, Rask) a close second.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

Hasek, Tretiak, Lundqvist > Richter, Thomas, Quick
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:18 PM

I'm surprised no one had mentioned Schneider yet.


I just came in to mention him :lol:




Schneider!!!!
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:52 PM

Europe produced the best goalie of all time in Hasek. Europe also produced 2 out of the top 5 of all time.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 01:37 PM

Europe produced the best goalie of all time in Hasek. Europe also produced 2 out of the top 5 of all time.


Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Sawchuk and Tretiak?
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:37 PM

Its an interesting question ! I've played on both ice surfaces and I believe playing on the larger ice surface in Europe makes goaltending more dificult. You definitely need to be a very good skater, have great fundamentals and have great lateral movement. The larger area behind the goal makes it more difficult to play the puck and riskier to roam. Shooters have more ice width, shot angles are more varied and more one on one opportunities. I think the european game is faster. I believe european goalies need to be quicker. Only thing tougher in N america is the crashing the net and the screens. Sealing off the bottom of the net is more evident in NHL goalies. Once upon a time, N american goalies were far better, now, not quite so sure. I believe goaltending techniques have been adopted by both venues. I can see guys like Schneider and Smith doing well over in Europe. Guys like Luongo, would not be successful.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:45 PM

Rinne and Lundqvist are prob the 2 best in the world right now. Schnieder doesn't count towards the US, we produced him :>
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Sawchuk and Tretiak?


No Canadians. :P

I'd say Euros by a country mile...
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

I'm going to say Europe.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:39 PM

Some good answers so far. I actually didn't vote because I'm so uncertain and wanted your all's opinion.

Europe produced the best goalie of all time in Hasek.


That's certainly debatable. One of? Of course! THE best? I'm not so sure...

I also hope that Schneider goes down as one of the best!

Edit: Ah crap how could I forget Lundqvist -- my bad. He's definitely on the list of notables.

Edited by Hunter56, 13 November 2012 - 06:47 PM.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:59 PM

A continent versus a country.
I can see how this is a legitimate comparison.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:43 PM

A continent versus a country.
I can see how this is a legitimate comparison.


Yet if the question was Canada vs. Europe, Canada would rightfully win. Roy, Brodeur, Sawchuck, and Plante are better than Hasek, Tretiak, Lundqvist and Kipper.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:10 PM

Rinne and Lundqvist are prob the 2 best in the world right now. Schnieder doesn't count towards the US, we produced him :>


Overrated. Throw Rinne on a team that doesn't think defence at all times, I guarantee you his GAA skyrockets and he becomes another Ray Emery.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:02 PM

Yet if the question was Canada vs. Europe, Canada would rightfully win. Roy, Brodeur, Sawchuck, and Plante are better than Hasek, Tretiak, Lundqvist and Kipper.

Seriously???? Sawchuk and Plante over Tretiak and Hasek !!! Surely you Jest ??
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:09 PM

Seriously???? Sawchuk and Plante over Tretiak and Hasek !!! Surely you Jest ??


He was probably referring to it respectively.

Roy > Hasek
Brodeur > Tretiak
Sawchuk > Lundqvist
Plante > Kiprusoff

I think thats what he meant.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:54 AM

I'm still pretty neutral but I decided to vote for the U.S. cause I'm starting to feel sorry for them. :mellow:

I agree that no U.S. goalie so far would be considered one of the greatest of all time, like Hasek and Tretiak; but I do think they have a lot more accomplishments than they're given credit for.

Like how about the first American goalie to come into the NHL -- Mike Karakas -- in the 1930's (I believe just a few seasons before Brimsek) winning the Stanley Cup with a broken toe?

Also the two goalies for the U.S.A gold medal winning teams: Jack Mccartan and Jim Craig (more for their olympic heroics than NHL careers though)

I'd also like to mention Steve Baker, who won nine out of his first ten games in his rookie season and made it to the semi-finals in 1981. The thing is he retired after only 4 seasons! (1979-1983)

Also let's not forget Ryan Miller, who has the potential to be one of the greatest American goalies.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

Gotta go with Euro, they have pumped out some great backstoppers over the years.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:17 PM

Overrated. Throw Rinne on a team that doesn't think defence at all times, I guarantee you his GAA skyrockets and he becomes another Ray Emery.


Rinne is beast, he makes some pretty darn good highlight reels. He's had some defensive studs, but still takes some serious tending to keep a team like Nashville afloat. We'll see how he does without Suter. Still youngish too.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:33 PM

Rinne is beast, he makes some pretty darn good highlight reels. He's had some defensive studs, but still takes some serious tending to keep a team like Nashville afloat. We'll see how he does without Suter. Still youngish too.


I guess we'll see what happens without Suter.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

As far as active goalies go, I say U.S.

But for all-time, I say Europe.
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