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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:51 AM

Considering what pushes the Israel economy, they're about due for some major military intervention in 3, 2, 1..
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:52 AM

In the US, the pre-election routine is the candidates attacking each other..

for israel, its exterminating palestinians... Cast lead in 2008 was pre-election "show of force" that killed over 1500 palestinians... now its the same story...

for israeli politicians to get re-elected in israel, it seems there is a quota of palestinians they must kill first....

absolutely sickening.. its time the world stood up to constant israeli aggression....
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:01 AM

In the US, the pre-election routine is the candidates attacking each other..

for israel, its exterminating palestinians... Cast lead in 2008 was pre-election "show of force" that killed over 1500 palestinians... now its the same story...

for israeli politicians to get re-elected in israel, it seems there is a quota of palestinians they must kill first....

absolutely sickening.. its time the world stood up to constant israeli aggression....


All I see is constant Palestinian aggression. Maybe that's why the world does nothing.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:44 AM

All I see is constant Palestinian aggression. Maybe that's why the world does nothing.

If Palestine was the sole aggressor, Israel would wipe them out and certainly be justified.

However, 2 reasons why they won't:

- Their defence based economy stays strong keeping Israelis under paranoia of rocket attacks.

- Justifies slow expansion of Israel into the rest of Palestine (particularly in WB) while limiting uproar by Arab nations.

The situation isn't as simple as Palestinians are evil, Israel is merely defending itself. Logic dictates the conflict is perpetuated by both sides.

Edited by zaibatsu, 15 November 2012 - 11:47 AM.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:01 PM

If Palestine was the sole aggressor, Israel would wipe them out and certainly be justified.

However, 2 reasons why they won't:

- Their defence based economy stays strong keeping Israelis under paranoia of rocket attacks.

- Justifies slow expansion of Israel into the rest of Palestine (particularly in WB) while limiting uproar by Arab nations.

The situation isn't as simple as Palestinians are evil, Israel is merely defending itself. Logic dictates the conflict is perpetuated by both sides.


You honestly think the world would just stand by and let Israel "wipe out" the Palestinians. Firstly, Israelis don't want that. Secondly, anytime Israel does anything, the media is up in arms and the worst case scenarios are reported without fact checking, photoshopped photos are submitted as news, etc... etc...

Also the Gaza Strip has one of the fastest growing populations in the world. It also has one of the world's highest obesity rates:

http://www.hindawi.c...es/2012/213547/

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23029605

So these claims about genocide and starvation need to end.

Edit:

To put this in perspective, people in the Palestinian territories are fatter than they are in America:

http://www.economist.com/node/8846631

Edited by taxi, 15 November 2012 - 12:03 PM.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

Until the Palestinians are given "something to live for" this constant violence will continue .. it takes the very patience of Job to accept this as being inevitable .. as soon as the EU and the rest of the "thinking world" recognize a Palestinian State, we amy be on the road to some solution ..
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:41 PM

Until the Palestinians are given "something to live for" this constant violence will continue .. it takes the very patience of Job to accept this as being inevitable .. as soon as the EU and the rest of the "thinking world" recognize a Palestinian State, we amy be on the road to some solution ..


Most of the EU and the world already does recognize an independent Palestinian state:

http://en.wikipedia....ns_of_Palestine

The thing about being a state is that the privilege also comes with responsibility. IE if you fund militant groups and declare war against your neighbour, expect them to respond.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

Most of the EU and the world already does recognize an independent Palestinian state:

http://en.wikipedia....ns_of_Palestine

The thing about being a state is that the privilege also comes with responsibility. IE if you fund militant groups and declare war against your neighbour, expect them to respond.


"Official" recognition and some aid in purging elements of Al-queda and others may be a step in the right direction .. status quo is not working very well ..
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

"Official" recognition and some aid in purging elements of Al-queda and others may be a step in the right direction .. status quo is not working very well ..


Israel has withdrawn entirely from the Gaza Strip. You can see from this map:

http://en.wikipedia....ank_barrier.png

They will soon have withdrawn from about 97% of the West Bank. Israel has no interest in the Gaza Strip or imprisoning the people there.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:44 PM

All I see is constant Palestinian aggression. Maybe that's why the world does nothing.


If you actually lived there, or had independent, neutral information coming from Israel, your testimony might be worthwhile.

However, if what you "see" is simply news published (read: controlled) by North American corporations, then you are probably just falling in line nicely.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:46 PM

Israel has withdrawn entirely from the Gaza Strip. You can see from this map:

http://en.wikipedia....ank_barrier.png

They will soon have withdrawn from about 97% of the West Bank. Israel has no interest in the Gaza Strip or imprisoning the people there.


Israel continues to defy the international community and settle illegally in the west bank and east jerusalem

Israeli settlements in the occupied territories[1] (commonly referred to as simply Israeli settlements[2]) are the Jewish civilian communities built on land that was captured by Israel from Jordan, Egypt and Syria during the 1967 Six-Day War. Such settlements currently exist in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and in the Golan Heights. Settlements also existed in the Sinai and Gaza Strip until Israel evacuated the Sinai settlements following the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace agreement and unilaterally disengaged from the Gaza Strip in 2005. Israel dismantled 18 settlements in the Sinai Peninsula in 1982, and all 21 in the Gaza Strip and 4 in the West Bank in 2005,[3] but continues to both expand its settlements and settle new areas in the West Bank in spite of the Oslo Accords which barred both Israeli and Palestinians from undertaking unilateral actions that would alter the status quo.[4][5][6][7]
The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal.[8] Israeli neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and communities in the Golan Heights, areas which have been annexed by Israel, are also considered settlements by the international community, which does not recognise Israel's annexations of these territories.[9] The United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[10][11] The International Court of Justice[12] also says these settlements are illegal,[13][14] and no foreign government supports Israel's settlements.[15] In April 2012, UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon, in response to moves by Israel to legalise Israeli outposts, reiterated that all settlement activity is illegal, and "runs contrary to Israel's obligations under the Road Map and repeated Quartet calls for the parties to refrain from provocations."[16] Similar criticism was advanced by the EU and the US.[17][18]
Israel disputes the position of the international community and the legal arguments that were used to declare the settlements illegal.[19]
As of December 2010, 327,750 Israelis live in the 121 officially-recognised settlements in the West Bank, 192,000 Israelis live in settlements in East Jerusalem and over 20,000 live in settlements in the Golan Heights.[20][21] Settlements range in character from farming communities and frontier villages to urban suburbs and neighborhoods. The three largest settlements, Modi'in Illit, Maale Adumim and Betar Illit, have achieved city status, with over 30,000 residents each.
Israeli policies toward the settlements have ranged from active promotion to removal by force.[22] The last new West Bank settlement to be authorised by the Israeli government was in 1999.[23] The ongoing expansion of existing settlements by Israel and the construction of settlement outposts is frequently criticized as an obstacle to the peace process by the Palestinians[24] and third parties, including the United Nations,[25] Russia,[26] the United Kingdom,[27] the European Union,[28] and the United States.[25] In July 2012, the UN Human Rights Council decided to set up a probe into Jewish settlements. Israel responded by saying it would bar the Council's experts from access to the sites.[
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

Knowing Harper we'll be right behind the Americans if this thing blows up.


Jewish population refers to the number of Jews in the world. Precise figures are difficult to calculate because the definition of "Who is a Jew" is a source of controversy.

1 Posted Image Israel 5,985,100 2 Posted Image United States 129,359 2010 ACS Survey[1] 5,275,000 3 Posted Image France 483,500 4 Posted Image Canada 315,120 5 Posted Image United Kingdom 11,892 Israeli-born[2] 292,000 6 Posted Image Russia 156,801 2010 census[3] 205,000 7 Posted Image Argentina 182,300 8 Posted Image Germany 11,401 2008 Eurostat survey[4] 119,000 9 Posted Image Brazil 107,300 10 Posted Image Australia 97,300
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

Israel continues to defy the international community and settle illegally in the west bank and east jerusalem

Israeli settlements in the occupied territories[1] (commonly referred to as simply Israeli settlements[2]) are the Jewish civilian communities built on land that was captured by Israel from Jordan, Egypt and Syria during the 1967 Six-Day War. Such settlements currently exist in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and in the Golan Heights. Settlements also existed in the Sinai and Gaza Strip until Israel evacuated the Sinai settlements following the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace agreement and unilaterally disengaged from the Gaza Strip in 2005. Israel dismantled 18 settlements in the Sinai Peninsula in 1982, and all 21 in the Gaza Strip and 4 in the West Bank in 2005,[3] but continues to both expand its settlements and settle new areas in the West Bank in spite of the Oslo Accords which barred both Israeli and Palestinians from undertaking unilateral actions that would alter the status quo.[4][5][6][7]
The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal.[8] Israeli neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and communities in the Golan Heights, areas which have been annexed by Israel, are also considered settlements by the international community, which does not recognise Israel's annexations of these territories.[9] The United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[10][11] The International Court of Justice[12] also says these settlements are illegal,[13][14] and no foreign government supports Israel's settlements.[15] In April 2012, UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon, in response to moves by Israel to legalise Israeli outposts, reiterated that all settlement activity is illegal, and "runs contrary to Israel's obligations under the Road Map and repeated Quartet calls for the parties to refrain from provocations."[16] Similar criticism was advanced by the EU and the US.[17][18]
Israel disputes the position of the international community and the legal arguments that were used to declare the settlements illegal.[19]
As of December 2010, 327,750 Israelis live in the 121 officially-recognised settlements in the West Bank, 192,000 Israelis live in settlements in East Jerusalem and over 20,000 live in settlements in the Golan Heights.[20][21] Settlements range in character from farming communities and frontier villages to urban suburbs and neighborhoods. The three largest settlements, Modi'in Illit, Maale Adumim and Betar Illit, have achieved city status, with over 30,000 residents each.
Israeli policies toward the settlements have ranged from active promotion to removal by force.[22] The last new West Bank settlement to be authorised by the Israeli government was in 1999.[23] The ongoing expansion of existing settlements by Israel and the construction of settlement outposts is frequently criticized as an obstacle to the peace process by the Palestinians[24] and third parties, including the United Nations,[25] Russia,[26] the United Kingdom,[27] the European Union,[28] and the United States.[25] In July 2012, the UN Human Rights Council decided to set up a probe into Jewish settlements. Israel responded by saying it would bar the Council's experts from access to the sites.[


The vast majority of "settlers" live in the area around Jerusalem. Here's the demographic history of Jerusalem:

http://en.wikipedia....ry_of_Jerusalem

You'll notice that the population was very small prior to the arrival of Zionists. In fact, it didn't break 20k until 1869. and by that point, the Jews were arleady the majority. By this point the Jews of Jerusalem had already been forcibly removed and suffered many massacres throughout history.

In 1949 Jordan invaded East Jerusalem. They removed every Jew (from Jerusalem and the West Bank) and destoryed the entire Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem. In 1967, Israel regained control of East Jerusalem. Jews have moved back there since.

What exactly about the history of Jerusalem shows that arabs should be the only ones allowed to live there and that any Jews moving there should be considered "settlers"?
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:11 PM

All I have to say that if Israel were gone the area would still be a bloody factional warzone, OTOH, no Arabs, no problems.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

The vast majority of "settlers" live in the area around Jerusalem. Here's the demographic history of Jerusalem:

http://en.wikipedia....ry_of_Jerusalem

You'll notice that the population was very small prior to the arrival of Zionists. In fact, it didn't break 20k until 1869. and by that point, the Jews were arleady the majority. By this point the Jews of Jerusalem had already been forcibly removed and suffered many massacres throughout history.

In 1949 Jordan invaded East Jerusalem. They removed every Jew (from Jerusalem and the West Bank) and destoryed the entire Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem. In 1967, Israel regained control of East Jerusalem. Jews have moved back there since.

What exactly about the history of Jerusalem shows that arabs should be the only ones allowed to live there and that any Jews moving there should be considered "settlers"?


Either you are being obtuse , or you are just blinded by your own beliefs on this subject .
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:41 PM

Israel has withdrawn entirely from the Gaza Strip. You can see from this map:

http://en.wikipedia....ank_barrier.png

They will soon have withdrawn from about 97% of the West Bank. Israel has no interest in the Gaza Strip or imprisoning the people there.


I hope you are saying this with a straight face because the Gaza Strip has been described as the world's biggest concentration camp. Entry and exit is severely restricted with checkpoints. Because the borders are so tight, tunnels to Egypt are being used to smuggle goods.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:48 PM

Either you are being obtuse , or you are just blinded by your own beliefs on this subject .


Really? Explain to me why Jews shouldn't be allowed to live in the area now known as East Jerusalem. In the last 150 years or so, the Arab popuation has grown from 10,000 to 250,000. The areas around Jerusalem have seen equal growth. What about the history of Jerusalem suggests that Jews should not be allowed to live in and around Jerusalem?
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:52 PM

I hope you are saying this with a straight face because the Gaza Strip has been described as the world's biggest concentration camp. Entry and exit is severely restricted with checkpoints. Because the borders are so tight, tunnels to Egypt are being used to smuggle goods.


And that's also wrong. The Gaza Strip shares a border with Egypt that Israel does not control. The life expectancy in the Gaza Strip is higher than Egypt, the closest arab state:

http://en.wikipedia....life_expectancy

The Gaza Strip also suffers from a major obesity epidemic:

http://www.economist.com/node/8846631

The Gaza Strip also has one of the world's highest growth rates. If it is a concentration camp (you should look up what those actually are), it's the worst one ever.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:55 PM

Really? Explain to me why Jews shouldn't be allowed to live in the area now known as East Jerusalem. In the last 150 years or so, the Arab popuation has grown from 10,000 to 250,000. The areas around Jerusalem have seen equal growth. What about the history of Jerusalem suggests that Jews should not be allowed to live in and around Jerusalem?


International Law

International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit the occupying power [from undertaking] permanent changes in the occupied area, unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.
The establishment of the settlements leads to the violation of the rights of the Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe on the rights to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.

You must have "conveniently" missed this when i posted it yesterday .

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 15 November 2012 - 03:56 PM.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:06 PM

International Law

International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit the occupying power [from undertaking] permanent changes in the occupied area, unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.
The establishment of the settlements leads to the violation of the rights of the Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe on the rights to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.

You must have "conveniently" missed this when i posted it yesterday .


Except that Jordan had already removed all Jews from the territory between 1947 and 1967. So Israel has a right to settle Jews back anywhere that they had been removed. Also, the land aournd Jerusalem was never in the possession of an independent Palestinian state either. It was in possession of Jordan. Israel signed a peace treaty with Jordan and Jordan did not demand the land back.

Israel is not occupying East Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is a disputed territory and both Jews and Arabs are settling there. Is it a similar "war crime" for an arab to build a new house in the West Bank or in Israel? Or is it only acceptable for one side to expand their popualtion base?
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:14 PM

Except that Jordan had already removed all Jews from the territory between 1947 and 1967. So Israel has a right to settle Jews back anywhere that they had been removed. Also, the land aournd Jerusalem was never in the possession of an independent Palestinian state either. It was in possession of Jordan. Israel signed a peace treaty with Jordan and Jordan did not demand the land back.

Israel is not occupying East Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is a disputed territory and both Jews and Arabs are settling there. Is it a similar "war crime" for an arab to build a new house in the West Bank or in Israel? Or is it only acceptable for one side to expand their popualtion base?


You validate rationalise , corroborate each others lies .

I can see it is impossible to talk dianoeticaly with you about this subject ,you simply refuse to acknowledge the truth .
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

I wish this is the way that wars were fought


Edited by The Ratiocinator, 15 November 2012 - 04:16 PM.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:20 PM

You validate rationalise , corroborate each others lies .

I can see it is impossible to talk dianoeticaly with you about this subject ,you simply refuse to acknowledge the truth .


In what way? You were sighting international law that states it is forbidden for an occupying nation to move its population into another nation's territory. This argument relies on the fact, you are able to establish that the land in question is indeed Palestinian territory.

I pointed out the demographic history of Jerusalem and the fact that the Jordanians ethnically cleansed the area of all Jews in 1949, which was only 18 years before Israel gained control. Once again, what about the history of this area demonstrates that Jews have no right to live in the area around Jerusalem?
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:25 PM

In what way? You were sighting international law that states it is forbidden for an occupying nation to move its population into another nation's territory. This argument relies on the fact, you are able to establish that the land in question is indeed Palestinian territory.

I pointed out the demographic history of Jerusalem and the fact that the Jordanians ethnically cleansed the area of all Jews in 1949, which was only 18 years before Israel gained control. Once again, what about the history of this area demonstrates that Jews have no right to live in the area around Jerusalem?


DUDE THEY STOLE THE LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE .

And do not talk to me about ethnic cleansing

Israel: Ethnic cleansing is now official government policy

By Jean Shaoul
3 December 2002

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his ministers have openly declared that Palestinians must be driven out to make way for Jewish settlements in land occupied illegally since the 1967 war.

Sharon and his cabinet utilised the November 15 ambush of Israeli security forces in Hebron by Islamic Jihad and the ensuing gun battle that killed 12 members of the Israeli armed forces and injured 15, as well as three of the Palestinian attackers, to make their announcements.

Sharon himself called for “territorial contiguity” between Kiryat Arba, a settlement overlooking Hebron, the tiny Zionist enclaves and the Tomb of the Patriarchs, a religious site venerated by both Moslems and Jews, inside the city. Palestinians living between the settlement, the enclaves and the Tomb would be forced to leave their homes to make way for the settlers—a policy known throughout the world as ethnic cleansing. He told army commanders in Hebron that Israel had to “take advantage of the opportunity” to “minimise the number of Palestinians living among Jewish settlers” and establish “Jewish points of presence”. He described this as “an appropriate Zionist response” to such attacks.

Sharon’s newly appointed foreign affairs minister and main leadership rival, Benyamin Netanyahu, was even more explicit. “We are going to cleanse the whole area and do the work ourselves.” he declared.

Israeli security forces immediately imposed a curfew, arrested and blindfolded at least 40 Palestinians, bulldozed the homes of Palestinian families and uprooted their olive groves.

This gave the ultra-nationalist settlers the green light to establish an “outpost”—the basis for a new settlement—on the vacant land and daub it with the racist slogan “Death to Arabs.” The settlers own language echoed the government’s calls for ethnic cleansing. The leader of the Hebron settlement, Zvi Katsover, said, “We have to cleanse the ground to ensure an Israeli territorial continuity between Kiryat Arba and Hebron.” A thousand new homes are to be built in the area. “I trust Sharon to implement the project,” he added.

At a rally in Hebron, Benny Elon, leader of the ultra-right wing Moledet (Homeland) party, declared, “There won’t be just a Jewish neighbourhood here. There will be a Jewish town here.”

According to the New York Times, “In a turbulent crowd, they [the settlers] pounded on the doors of nearby Palestinian houses and then smeared the pale stone with blue graffiti: ‘Every Arab killed for me it’s a holiday,’ and, over and over, ‘Vengeance’.”

Later the government issued an order for the demolition of a further 15 Palestinian homes on the route from Kiryat Arba to the Jewish enclave in Hebron.
Silence from Western leaders

The expulsion of communities from their homeland, like genocide, is recognised as a crime against humanity. The 1948 International Declaration of Human Rights and other international covenants, including the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, outlaw expulsions, population transfers, resettlement and forced relocation of any kind.

But the statements by Sharon and Netanyahu elicited no response from Israel’s main backer, the United States, or any other Western power. And even the liberal media did little more than report the words of Sharon and Netanyahu. Not one of the editorial writers of the New York Times or Britain’s Guardian has seen fit to comment on Israel’s explicit advocacy of ethnic cleansing.

The deafening silence on Sharon’s gross abuse of human rights is particularly marked, given that it takes place against the backdrop of the trial of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic before the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague. The central purpose of The Hague tribunal is to find Milosevic guilty of having politically sanctioned the ethnic cleansing of Albanians from the Yugoslav province of Kosovo—to confirm the existence of a “chain of command” between the Serb irregular forces in Kosovo and Belgrade, and so justify the US-led bombardment of Yugoslavia.

That trial has cost millions of dollars, lasted more than nine months and taken evidence from more than 100 witnesses. Despite this, to date the prosecution has failed to demonstrate that Milosevic himself either masterminded the ethnic cleansing or ever explicitly ordered the expulsion of the Albanian population of Kosovo.

There would be no such difficulty were Sharon to be brought to trial for his treatment of the Palestinians, or if Netanyahu joined him in the dock. The Israeli government has explicitly issued instructions to the armed forces and publicly announced policies that are universally recognised as constituting ethnic cleansing. Yet the world’s statesmen, the United Nations, the press and mainstream political commentators keep silent.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:29 PM

DUDE THEY STOLE THE LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE .



How so?

I showed you the demographic history of Jerusalem. Going back into the year 1800. There were very few people living there. The territory was controlled by the Ottomans (the Turkish), and the Jews formed a majority there by the early to mid-1800s. How did the Jews steel the land in the first place? Please explain.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:58 PM

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:30 PM

Some day the Israeli's will drop one of their nukes on themselves as the ultimate act of martyrdom .. even money ..
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:40 PM

I cannot believe some of the comments in here - wow.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:11 PM

Israel is striking Hamas terrorist rocket sites. Hamas aims at apartment buildings. Israel is showing remarkable constraint.


Whether you support Israel or the Palestinians, this has to be acknowledged.

If it was any other nation, it would be pure chaos by now. Israel has been hit with hundreds of rockets already. There have only been 3 civilan casualties in Israel so far, but that's because Israel uses their Iron Dome system that prevents about 1/3 of the rockets. They then use air raid sirens, which give approximately 15 seconds of warning.

Meanwhile Hamas is purposely firing from inhabited areas:



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