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Israel takes out top Hamas commander after missiles launched from Gaza

Special Ed

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Israel continues to defy the international community and settle illegally in the west bank and east jerusalem

Israeli settlements in the occupied territories[1] (commonly referred to as simply Israeli settlements[2]) are the Jewish civilian communities built on land that was captured by Israel from Jordan, Egypt and Syria during the 1967 Six-Day War. Such settlements currently exist in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and in the Golan Heights. Settlements also existed in the Sinai and Gaza Strip until Israel evacuated the Sinai settlements following the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace agreement and unilaterally disengaged from the Gaza Strip in 2005. Israel dismantled 18 settlements in the Sinai Peninsula in 1982, and all 21 in the Gaza Strip and 4 in the West Bank in 2005,[3] but continues to both expand its settlements and settle new areas in the West Bank in spite of the Oslo Accords which barred both Israeli and Palestinians from undertaking unilateral actions that would alter the status quo.[4][5][6][7]

The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal.[8] Israeli neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and communities in the Golan Heights, areas which have been annexed by Israel, are also considered settlements by the international community, which does not recognise Israel's annexations of these territories.[9] The United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[10][11] The International Court of Justice[12] also says these settlements are illegal,[13][14] and no foreign government supports Israel's settlements.[15] In April 2012, UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon, in response to moves by Israel to legalise Israeli outposts, reiterated that all settlement activity is illegal, and "runs contrary to Israel's obligations under the Road Map and repeated Quartet calls for the parties to refrain from provocations."[16] Similar criticism was advanced by the EU and the US.[17][18]

Israel disputes the position of the international community and the legal arguments that were used to declare the settlements illegal.[19]

As of December 2010, 327,750 Israelis live in the 121 officially-recognised settlements in the West Bank, 192,000 Israelis live in settlements in East Jerusalem and over 20,000 live in settlements in the Golan Heights.[20][21] Settlements range in character from farming communities and frontier villages to urban suburbs and neighborhoods. The three largest settlements, Modi'in Illit, Maale Adumim and Betar Illit, have achieved city status, with over 30,000 residents each.

Israeli policies toward the settlements have ranged from active promotion to removal by force.[22] The last new West Bank settlement to be authorised by the Israeli government was in 1999.[23] The ongoing expansion of existing settlements by Israel and the construction of settlement outposts is frequently criticized as an obstacle to the peace process by the Palestinians[24] and third parties, including the United Nations,[25] Russia,[26] the United Kingdom,[27] the European Union,[28] and the United States.[25] In July 2012, the UN Human Rights Council decided to set up a probe into Jewish settlements. Israel responded by saying it would bar the Council's experts from access to the sites.[

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The vast majority of "settlers" live in the area around Jerusalem. Here's the demographic history of Jerusalem:

http://en.wikipedia....ry_of_Jerusalem

You'll notice that the population was very small prior to the arrival of Zionists. In fact, it didn't break 20k until 1869. and by that point, the Jews were arleady the majority. By this point the Jews of Jerusalem had already been forcibly removed and suffered many massacres throughout history.

In 1949 Jordan invaded East Jerusalem. They removed every Jew (from Jerusalem and the West Bank) and destoryed the entire Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem. In 1967, Israel regained control of East Jerusalem. Jews have moved back there since.

What exactly about the history of Jerusalem shows that arabs should be the only ones allowed to live there and that any Jews moving there should be considered "settlers"?

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I hope you are saying this with a straight face because the Gaza Strip has been described as the world's biggest concentration camp. Entry and exit is severely restricted with checkpoints. Because the borders are so tight, tunnels to Egypt are being used to smuggle goods.

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Really? Explain to me why Jews shouldn't be allowed to live in the area now known as East Jerusalem. In the last 150 years or so, the Arab popuation has grown from 10,000 to 250,000. The areas around Jerusalem have seen equal growth. What about the history of Jerusalem suggests that Jews should not be allowed to live in and around Jerusalem?

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International Law

International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit the occupying power [from undertaking] permanent changes in the occupied area, unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

The establishment of the settlements leads to the violation of the rights of the Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe on the rights to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.

You must have "conveniently" missed this when i posted it yesterday .

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Except that Jordan had already removed all Jews from the territory between 1947 and 1967. So Israel has a right to settle Jews back anywhere that they had been removed. Also, the land aournd Jerusalem was never in the possession of an independent Palestinian state either. It was in possession of Jordan. Israel signed a peace treaty with Jordan and Jordan did not demand the land back.

Israel is not occupying East Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is a disputed territory and both Jews and Arabs are settling there. Is it a similar "war crime" for an arab to build a new house in the West Bank or in Israel? Or is it only acceptable for one side to expand their popualtion base?

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In what way? You were sighting international law that states it is forbidden for an occupying nation to move its population into another nation's territory. This argument relies on the fact, you are able to establish that the land in question is indeed Palestinian territory.

I pointed out the demographic history of Jerusalem and the fact that the Jordanians ethnically cleansed the area of all Jews in 1949, which was only 18 years before Israel gained control. Once again, what about the history of this area demonstrates that Jews have no right to live in the area around Jerusalem?

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