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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:54 PM

constant war in the "holy land" for nearly 2000 years. living proof that man made gods dont exist. what irony. that's the last place on earth i will visit or raise a child. if there's a hell, that would be it.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:56 PM

What i know is that the israeli's are the people who came to palestine , and drove out many of the people who were already living there , using fear and terror to do so .

I know that the PLO, hamas and hezbollah, have retaliated using fear and terror as well and i condemn them all , human filth is what all terrorists are .

This is a song i listen to every day , it was written by Fat mike Burkett , who is a jew , and a man i admire greatly .

72 Virgins {will never stop a war }
Except that the history was not that simple. The land had been contested for as long as we have history. The only reason there weren't as many Jews there in the 1800s is because arabs/muslims had thrown them out.Then the UN came up with a plan to divide the Palestine. 80% of it was given to Jordan. Of the remainding 20%, about 50% was given to Israel, so they got 10% of the land. A state of total warfare breaks out as 4 arab armies invade. Israel defends itself. Atrocities are commited on both sides.Today we have 1.5 million arabs living in Israel proper, with many more in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. How many Jews remain in the arab world? They made up a substantial portion of the population in 1900, so how many remain today? If it was just as simple as Jews driving out arabs with terror.



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Posted 17 November 2012 - 03:24 PM


The Jewish diaspora (or simply the Diaspora; Hebrew Galut גלות; Yiddish Golus) was the historical exile of Jews from the region of the Kingdom of Judah and Roman Judaea, as well as the later emigration from wider Eretz Israel.
The diaspora began with the 6th century BCE conquest of the ancient Kingdom of Judah by Babylon, the destruction of the First Temple (c. 586 BCE), and the expulsion of the population, as recorded in the Bible. The Babylonian ruler, Nebuchadnezzar, allowed the Jews to remain in a unified community in Babylon. Another group of Jews fled to Egypt, where they settled in the Nile delta. From 597 BCE onwards, there were three distinct groups of Hebrews[citation needed][1] : a group in Babylon and other parts of the Middle East, a group in Judaea, and another group in Egypt. While Cyrus the Persian allowed the Jews to return to their homeland in 538 BCE, most chose to remain in Babylon. A large number of Jews in Egypt became mercenaries in Upper Egypt on an island called the Elephantine. Most of these Jews retained their religion, identity, and social customs; both under the Persians and the Greeks, they were allowed to conduct their lives according to their own laws.[2]
In 63 BCE, Judaea became a protectorate of Rome, and in 6 CE was elevated to a Roman province. The Jews began to revolt against the Roman Empire in 66 CE during the period known as the First Jewish–Roman War which culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. During the siege, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple and most of Jerusalem.[3] In 132, the Jews rebelled against Hadrian. In 135, Hadrian’s army defeated the Jewish armies and Jewish independence was lost. Jerusalem was turned into a pagan city called Aelia Capitolina and the Jews were forbidden to live there, and Hadrian changed the country’s name from Judea to Syria Palestina.[4]
During the Middle Ages, Jews divided into distinct regional groups which today are generally addressed according to two primary geographical groupings: the Ashkenazi Jews of Northern and Eastern Europe and Sephardi Jews of Iberia, North Africa and the Middle East. Ashkenazi populations grew rapidly from the 16th to the 19th centuries, with the largest diaspora populations in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Russian Empire. Millions of Jews migrated to the Americas in the 20th century. In the early 21st century the largest diaspora populations were in the United States (~ 5.75 million), France (~ 475,000), Canada (~ 375,000), the United Kingdom (~300,000), and Russia (~ 200,000).

The arabs did not expell the jews , hadrian did over a millenia before the 1800's , and most of them were long gone by the 19th century .

While Zionists considered such places as Argentina, Uganda, and Texas,[5] they eventually settled on Palestine for the location of their proposed Jewish State, even though Palestine was already inhabited by a population that was 95 percent Muslims and Christians, who owned 99 percent of the land.[6] As numerous Zionist diary entries, letters, and other documents show, Zionists planned to push out these non-Jews – financially, if possible; violently if necessary

It seems even places like texas were considered to be the holy land

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 03:39 PM

^ greenwald pointing out the obvious. And yet fails to mention the similar support that Hamas gets to continue their aggression. I think the US support is quite obvious and the article is just grasping straws. israel needs to complete a ground offensive and extend the range from which missiles can be fired at them. That's what I think happens next.

Israel is rightfully defending itself. Hamas should be completely pushed from the region and any steps taken to prevent further missile attacks on Israel. Civilian casualties are all because of Hamas as far as I'm concerned.



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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:39 PM



I agree there are a lot of idiots out there. The ones happy to see Hamas launching rockets and crying when Israel fights back.

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

Are you denying that Hamas is launching missiles into Israel? I don't expect a reply to my question from you, even though its rather obvious. Just can't admit it can you. So simple just to say the truth darth, 'yes Hamas is launching indiscriminate missiles at Israel'. Well some people remain silent on the truth and stick to only what suits them.

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Are you denying that this conflict is solely caused by the Western-supported brutal zionist oppression, occupation, subjugation and terrorization of Palestinians and that any Palestinian reaction is simply a reaction to the brutal zionist oppression, occupation, subjugation and terrorization? Are you denying that zionists are the founders of terrorism and are proud of it?

"If I were a Palestinian at the right age, I would have joined one of the terrorist organizations at a certain stage." (Former Israeli PM Ehud Barak)



Killed Hamas Leader Was In Midst Of Negotiating Long-Term Truce With Israel

Israeli peace activist: Hamas leader Jabari killed amid talks on long-term truce Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit, says Israel made a mistake that will cost the lives of 'innocent people on both sides.'

Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up
between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders.

Baskin told Haaretz on Thursday that senior officials in Israel knew about his contacts with Hamas and Egyptian intelligence aimed at formulating the permanent truce, but nevertheless approved the assassination...

According to Baskin, during the past two years Jabari internalized the realization that the rounds of hostilities with Israel were beneficial neither to Hamas nor to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip and only caused suffering, and several times he acted to prevent firing by Hamas into Israel.

He said that even when Hamas was pulled into participating in the launching of rockets, its rockets would always land in open spaces. “Andthat was intentional,” clarified Baskin.

In recent months Baskin was continuously in touch with Hamas officials and with Egyptian intelligence as well as with officials in Israel, whose names he refused to divulge. A few months ago Baskin showed Defense Minister Ehud Barak a draft of the agreement and on the basis ofthat draft an inter-ministry committee on the issue was established. The agreement was to have constituted a basis for a permanent truce between Israel and Hamas, which would prevent the repeated rounds of shooting.

“In Israel,” Baskin said, “they decided not to decide, and in recent months I took the initiative to push it again.” In recent weeks he renewed contact with Hamas and with Egypt and just this week he was in Egypt and met with top people in the intelligence system and with a Hamas representative. He says he formed the impression that the pressurethe Egyptians applied to the Palestinians to stop shooting was serious and sincere.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:57 PM

I agree there are a lot of idiots out there. The ones happy to see Hamas launching rockets and crying when Israel fights back.


I agree , those people are idiots too, and i do not know any one that is crying , i will credit that comment to a childlike mentality .

The idiot i was talking about is neither american or jewish :lol:

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

I agree , those people are idiots too, and i do not know any one that is crying , i will credit that comment to a childlike mentality .

The idiot i was talking about is neither american or jewish :lol:


Crying. Complaining. Whatever you want to call it. Not American or Jewish eh? Well that really narrows it down doesn't it. If you want to insult someone why not stop playing games, just come out and say it. Speaking of childlike mentality...

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:22 PM

Are you denying that this conflict is solely caused by the Western-supported brutal zionist oppression, occupation, subjugation and terrorization of Palestinians and that any Palestinian reaction is simply a reaction to the brutal zionist oppression, occupation, subjugation and terrorization? Are you denying that zionists are the founders of terrorism and are proud of it?


No way I believe the Hamas leader was in the midst of negotiating peace while firing rockets. At least if you're going to believe something have it make sense. Add in the Mossad was shooting rockets at Israel to false flag for assassination. At least that's a little more reasonable :P

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:31 PM

Crying. Complaining. Whatever you want to call it. Not American or Jewish eh? Well that really narrows it down doesn't it. If you want to insult someone why not stop playing games, just come out and say it. Speaking of childlike mentality...

Crying. Complaining. Whatever you want to call it. Not American or Jewish eh? Well that really narrows it down doesn't it. If you want to insult someone why not stop playing games, just come out and say it. Speaking of childlike mentality...

Crying. Complaining. Whatever you want to call it. Not American or Jewish eh? Well that really narrows it down doesn't it. If you want to insult someone why not stop playing games, just come out and say it. Speaking of childlike mentality...


I would never call you an idiot ED .

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

I would never call you an idiot ED .


Seemed like you could have been implying something. Anyway I prefer now to wait and see what comes off the negotiations. Time for a nap. Yes it's nap time I suppose that's also childlike too :P

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

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Seemed like you could have been implying something. Anyway I prefer now to wait and see what comes off the negotiations. Time for a nap. Yes it's nap time I suppose that's also childlike too <img src='http://content.forum...ault/tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' :P' /><br />


No Ed , a nana nap on a saturday arvo is a beautiful thing :bored:

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 17 November 2012 - 05:53 PM.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

No way I believe the Hamas leader was in the midst of negotiating peace while firing rockets. At least if you're going to believe something have it make sense. Add in the Mossad was shooting rockets at Israel to false flag for assassination. At least that's a little more reasonable :P


It's a good thing you're not a judge...yeah, seriously though :sadno:

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 06:06 PM

Seemed like you could have been implying something. Anyway I prefer now to wait and see what comes off the negotiations. Time for a nap. Yes it's nap time I suppose that's also childlike too :P


Perhaps you should stick to ABC's and 123's after your nap before moving on to such topics as geopolitics and factual history. :P

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 06:26 PM

funny how history repeats itself. One group gets put into a small area and is systematically elimimated , 60- 70 years later the same thing pretty much is happening except these people are fighting back the only way they know how. Personally I think both sides are wrong. I just find it ironic how Gaza is pretty much like a ghetto in itself.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

"We desire death like you(The Jews) desire life" - Hamas MP Fathi Hamad

""Al-Aqsa and the land of Palestine represent the spearhead for Islam and for the Muslims. Therefor, when we seek the help of our Arab brothers, we are not seeking their help to eat, to live, to drink, to dress or to live a life of luxury. No. When we seek their help, it is in order to continue to wage Jihad... every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere... Personally, half of my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza strip are called Al-Masri ["Egyptian"]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian!..." - Hamas MP Fathi Hamad

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 07:25 PM

funny how history repeats itself. One group gets put into a small area and is systematically elimimated , 60- 70 years later the same thing pretty much is happening except these people are fighting back the only way they know how. Personally I think both sides are wrong. I just find it ironic how Gaza is pretty much like a ghetto in itself.


Yes i too find it ironic {that is not the right word , but i can think of no other}, that the descandants of the people that had to live through this
The Warsaw Ghetto[1] (German: Ghetto Warschau; Polish: getto warszawskie) was the largest of all the Jewish ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe during World War II. It was established in the Polish capital between October and November 16, 1940, in the territory of the General Government of German-occupied Poland, with over 400,000 Jews from the vicinity residing in an area of 3.4 km2 (1.3 sq mi). From there, at least 254,000 Ghetto residents were sent to the Treblinka extermination camp over the course of two months in the summer of 1942.
The death toll among the Jewish inhabitants of the Ghetto, between deportations to extermination camps, Großaktion Warschau, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, and the subsequent razing of the ghetto, is at least 300,000.[




Would treat others in a very simmilar way .

IT was after reading Leon Uris's book , Mila 18 that i felt to driven to learn about this
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (Yiddish: אױפֿשטאַנד אין װאַרשעװער געטאָ; Polish: powstanie w getcie warszawskim; German: Aufstand im Warschauer Ghetto) was the 1943 act of Jewish resistance that arose within the Warsaw Ghetto in German-occupied Poland during World War II, and which opposed Nazi Germany's final effort to transport the remaining Ghetto population to Treblinka extermination camp. The most significant portion of the rebellion took place from 19 April, and ended when the poorly armed and supplied resistance was crushed by the Germans, who officially finished their operation to liquidate the Ghetto on 16 May. It was the largest single revolt by the Jews during World War II[3] and also the first mass uprising in German-occupied Europe.[
Human being's keep on making the same mistakes over , and over , and over again .

Like you say it is just

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:15 PM

Yes i too find it ironic {that is not the right word , but i can think of no other}, that the descandants of the people that had to live through this
The Warsaw Ghetto[1] (German: Ghetto Warschau; Polish: getto warszawskie) was the largest of all the Jewish ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe during World War II. It was established in the Polish capital between October and November 16, 1940, in the territory of the General Government of German-occupied Poland, with over 400,000 Jews from the vicinity residing in an area of 3.4 km2 (1.3 sq mi). From there, at least 254,000 Ghetto residents were sent to the Treblinka extermination camp over the course of two months in the summer of 1942.
The death toll among the Jewish inhabitants of the Ghetto, between deportations to extermination camps, Großaktion Warschau, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, and the subsequent razing of the ghetto, is at least 300,000.[




Would treat others in a very simmilar way .

IT was after reading Leon Uris's book , Mila 18 that i felt to driven to learn about this
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (Yiddish: אױפֿשטאַנד אין װאַרשעװער געטאָ; Polish: powstanie w getcie warszawskim; German: Aufstand im Warschauer Ghetto) was the 1943 act of Jewish resistance that arose within the Warsaw Ghetto in German-occupied Poland during World War II, and which opposed Nazi Germany's final effort to transport the remaining Ghetto population to Treblinka extermination camp. The most significant portion of the rebellion took place from 19 April, and ended when the poorly armed and supplied resistance was crushed by the Germans, who officially finished their operation to liquidate the Ghetto on 16 May. It was the largest single revolt by the Jews during World War II[3] and also the first mass uprising in German-occupied Europe.[
Human being's keep on making the same mistakes over , and over , and over again .

Like you say it is just


I cannot believe that you would invoke the history of my people in such an offensive manner. Israel provides electricity, water and millions of dollars worth of food aid every month to the Gaza Strip. The Nazis forced the Jews of Warsaw into a Ghetto while they prepared concentration camps to murder them. Israeli Jews want to live alongside the Arab people. The Jewish people want to live in harmony with world, I don't get how difficult it is for people like you to understand.

People who say that Gaza is a ghetto have no idea what they're talking about. As a proud Jew, I find it painfully offensive that you people would draw comparisons between Gaza and Warsaw. I've been to Israel and I can tell you it's nothing like the hatred that was being spewed during the 1930s in Nazi Germany. In Warsaw, people were starved, raped and systematically murdered by the Nazis. There is a voice for every Palestinian that has supposedly martyred themselves. The voices of the Six Million Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust is the State of Israel. There is one voice for all of them.

The type of people who draw comparisons between Warsaw and Gaza are exactly the type of people who refer to Israel as a rogue state. 45-50% of Israeli Jews are descendants of Arab Jews who were expelled from countries such as Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Libya, the Gaza Strip etc. A UN independent study found that the land confiscated from those Jews if added together makes up around 4 times the size of Israel proper. These facts alone justify the existence of the modern state of Israel. Israel met it's moral responsibility by absorbing it's Jewish refugees. Today, millions of Palestinian Arabs still live in refugee camps. If they want someone to blame, they should go after the Arab states. http://en.wikipedia....uslim_countries

For those of you who are staunch supporters of the Islamic Republic of Iran and who have supported those who have worked tirelessly to divide and conquer the Jewish people-I have one thing to say: Israeli Jews are Jews. I know that Ahmadinejad and the Neutrei Karta have been going around saying that they aren't, but they are. I have never been more proud to have them among my brethren.

Switching gears a little, I should say that as a 3rd Generation Canadian, I feel incredibly alienated when I read things similar to what you just wrote. I live in fear on an almost daily basis of how the next generation of leaders in Canada will treat Canada's Jews once people like Harper and Mulcair are long gone. I know exactly what a large portion of non-Jewish youth think of the Jewish people in Canada. When I realized how people really feel about the Jews, I began to feel that I'm not a real Canadian. To clarify, I was born in Downtown Vancouver and I've lived here my whole life but I've been made to feel like this is the way things are. I think this is only a feeling that resonates with Jewish people.

No matter what we do, there's always some reason why we can't be a part of the diaspora countries. So we made our own country in our ancestral homeland where several ancient Jewish communities existed. But for some reason, the rest of the world decided that it wasn't legitimate. Thousands of men have died trying to make Israel its own country so that we can be a part of the UN, the Arab League and be a part of the world like everyone else. All we want is a country where were not made to feel like foreigners.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:37 PM

Your people , don't you live in canada ?

And it is not my problem that you are so blinded by your race , that you cannot see the simmilarities.

But i am just a GENTILE to you am i not .

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:45 PM

I cannot believe that you would invoke the history of my people in such an offensive manner. Israel provides electricity, water and millions of dollars worth of food aid every month to the Gaza Strip. The Nazis forced the Jews of Warsaw into a Ghetto while they prepared concentration camps to murder them. Israeli Jews want to live alongside the Arab people. The Jewish people want to live in harmony with world, I don't get how difficult it is for people like you to understand.

People who say that Gaza is a ghetto have no idea what they're talking about. As a proud Jew, I find it painfully offensive that you people would draw comparisons between Gaza and Warsaw. I've been to Israel and I can tell you it's nothing like the hatred that was being spewed during the 1930s in Nazi Germany. In Warsaw, people were starved, raped and systematically murdered by the Nazis. There is a voice for every Palestinian that has supposedly martyred themselves. The voices of the Six Million Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust is the State of Israel. There is one voice for all of them.

The type of people who draw comparisons between Warsaw and Gaza are exactly the type of people who refer to Israel as a rogue state. 45-50% of Israeli Jews are descendants of Arab Jews who were expelled from countries such as Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Libya, the Gaza Strip etc. A UN independent study found that the land confiscated from those Jews if added together makes up around 4 times the size of Israel proper. These facts alone justify the existence of the modern state of Israel. Israel met it's moral responsibility by absorbing it's Jewish refugees. Today, millions of Palestinian Arabs still live in refugee camps. If they want someone to blame, they should go after the Arab states. http://en.wikipedia....uslim_countries

For those of you who are staunch supporters of the Islamic Republic of Iran and who have supported those who have worked tirelessly to divide and conquer the Jewish people-I have one thing to say: Israeli Jews are Jews. I know that Ahmadinejad and the Neutrei Karta have been going around saying that they aren't, but they are. I have never been more proud to have them among my brethren.

Switching gears a little, I should say that as a 3rd Generation Canadian, I feel incredibly alienated when I read things similar to what you just wrote. I live in fear on an almost daily basis of how the next generation of leaders in Canada will treat Canada's Jews once people like Harper and Mulcair are long gone. I know exactly what a large portion of non-Jewish youth think of the Jewish people in Canada. When I realized how people really feel about the Jews, I began to feel that I'm not a real Canadian. To clarify, I was born in Downtown Vancouver and I've lived here my whole life but I've been made to feel like this is the way things are. I think this is only a feeling that resonates with Jewish people.

No matter what we do, there's always some reason why we can't be a part of the diaspora countries. So we made our own country in our ancestral homeland where several ancient Jewish communities existed. But for some reason, the rest of the world decided that it wasn't legitimate. Thousands of men have died trying to make Israel its own country so that we can be a part of the UN, the Arab League and be a part of the world like everyone else. All we want is a country where were not made to feel like foreigners.


While Zionists considered such places as Argentina, Uganda, and Texas,[5] they eventually settled on Palestine for the location of their proposed Jewish State, even though Palestine was already inhabited by a population that was 95 percent Muslims and Christians, who owned 99 percent of the land.[6] As numerous Zionist diary entries, letters, and other documents show, Zionists planned to push out these non-Jews – financially, if possible; violently if necessary

Comprehension is obviously not one of your stronger faculties .

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:55 PM

I cannot believe that you would invoke the history of my people in such an offensive manner. Israel provides electricity, water and millions of dollars worth of food aid every month to the Gaza Strip. The Nazis forced the Jews of Warsaw into a Ghetto while they prepared concentration camps to murder them. Israeli Jews want to live alongside the Arab people. The Jewish people want to live in harmony with world, I don't get how difficult it is for people like you to understand.

People who say that Gaza is a ghetto have no idea what they're talking about. As a proud Jew, I find it painfully offensive that you people would draw comparisons between Gaza and Warsaw. I've been to Israel and I can tell you it's nothing like the hatred that was being spewed during the 1930s in Nazi Germany. In Warsaw, people were starved, raped and systematically murdered by the Nazis. There is a voice for every Palestinian that has supposedly martyred themselves. The voices of the Six Million Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust is the State of Israel. There is one voice for all of them.

The type of people who draw comparisons between Warsaw and Gaza are exactly the type of people who refer to Israel as a rogue state. 45-50% of Israeli Jews are descendants of Arab Jews who were expelled from countries such as Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Libya, the Gaza Strip etc. A UN independent study found that the land confiscated from those Jews if added together makes up around 4 times the size of Israel proper. These facts alone justify the existence of the modern state of Israel. Israel met it's moral responsibility by absorbing it's Jewish refugees. Today, millions of Palestinian Arabs still live in refugee camps. If they want someone to blame, they should go after the Arab states. http://en.wikipedia....uslim_countries

For those of you who are staunch supporters of the Islamic Republic of Iran and who have supported those who have worked tirelessly to divide and conquer the Jewish people-I have one thing to say: Israeli Jews are Jews. I know that Ahmadinejad and the Neutrei Karta have been going around saying that they aren't, but they are. I have never been more proud to have them among my brethren.

Switching gears a little, I should say that as a 3rd Generation Canadian, I feel incredibly alienated when I read things similar to what you just wrote. I live in fear on an almost daily basis of how the next generation of leaders in Canada will treat Canada's Jews once people like Harper and Mulcair are long gone. I know exactly what a large portion of non-Jewish youth think of the Jewish people in Canada. When I realized how people really feel about the Jews, I began to feel that I'm not a real Canadian. To clarify, I was born in Downtown Vancouver and I've lived here my whole life but I've been made to feel like this is the way things are. I think this is only a feeling that resonates with Jewish people.

No matter what we do, there's always some reason why we can't be a part of the diaspora countries. So we made our own country in our ancestral homeland where several ancient Jewish communities existed. But for some reason, the rest of the world decided that it wasn't legitimate. Thousands of men have died trying to make Israel its own country so that we can be a part of the UN, the Arab League and be a part of the world like everyone else. All we want is a country where were not made to feel like foreigners.

Israelis did live alongside Palestinians in Palestine. Your "people" did not "make your own homeland" as if it was your people's conquer, Jews were a minority but still lived there just fine.. it was foreigners that decided to chop up land that wasn't "your people's" nor theirs and hand it to "your people". Inconceivable reading this "Israel is such a victim" show. Even worse, that I also read in your post Palestinians are the ones to blame for living in camps, especially in the west bank, where they are constantly pushed back and their land further and further eroded away for Israeli expansion? Israel should just take the rest of Palestine and quit the sideshow that few people without a sycophantic view of Israel fall for. Feigning ignorance to why Palestinians are so violently upset (a common theme of those in the Middle East victims of interference from abroad), while once comical, is now just sad.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:59 PM

Your people , don't you live in canada ?

And it is not my problem that you are so blinded by your race , that you cannot see the simmilarities.

But i am just a GENTILE to you am i not .

The word gentile means that you're not Jewish. It's not a derogatory term. Clearly there's a reason why you're so virulently anti-Israel.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:02 PM

Israelis did live alongside Palestinians in Palestine. Your "people" did not "make your own homeland" as if it was your people's conquer, Jews were a minority but still lived there just fine.. it was foreigners that decided to chop up land that wasn't "your people's" nor theirs and hand it to "your people". Inconceivable reading this "Israel is such a victim" show. Even worse, that I also read in your post Palestinians are the ones to blame for living in camps, especially in the west bank, where they are constantly pushed back and their land further and further eroded away for Israeli expansion? Israel should just take the rest of Palestine and quit the sideshow that few people without a sycophantic view of Israel fall for. Feigning ignorance to why Palestinians are so violently upset (a common theme of those in the Middle East victims of interference from abroad), while once comical, is now just sad.



"Al-Aqsa and the land of Palestine represent the spearhead for Islam and for the Muslims. Therefor, when we seek the help of our Arab brothers, we are not seeking their help to eat, to live, to drink, to dress or to live a life of luxury. No. When we seek their help, it is in order to continue to wage Jihad... every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere... Personally, half of my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza strip are called Al-Masri ["Egyptian"]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian!..- Hamas MP Fathi Hamad .


The quote I just posted above is self-explanatory. I never said Palestinians were to blame for living in refugee camps. I'm saying that the Arabs should've absorbed the Palestinians like the European and Palestinian Jews of Mandatory Palestine absorbed the Arab Jews who fled the countries of the Arab World.



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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:08 PM

While Zionists considered such places as Argentina, Uganda, and Texas,[5] they eventually settled on Palestine for the location of their proposed Jewish State, even though Palestine was already inhabited by a population that was 95 percent Muslims and Christians, who owned 99 percent of the land.[6] As numerous Zionist diary entries, letters, and other documents show, Zionists planned to push out these non-Jews – financially, if possible; violently if necessary

Comprehension is obviously not one of your stronger faculties .


1) Texas was never involved in any discussions at the Zionist conference.
2) Argentina was never considered seriously, neither was Uganda
3) These discussions took place prior to WWI while the pogroms were going on in Russia and the Jews were living in abject poverty in the Pale of Settlement. I didn't think I needed to address that party of history.

Some of these Russian Jews who were advocating settling in Argentina, Uganda, etc. were the cousins, brothers, sisters and children of those being murdered in the pogroms. They were the ones spearheading a Jewish homeland wherever we could get one in whatever way possible.

It's amazing what people will do to save the lives of their loved ones.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:42 PM

The word gentile means that you're not Jewish. It's not a derogatory term. Clearly there's a reason why you're so virulently anti-Israel.


I am NOT virulently anti-israel dude , my hatred is directed at racism , poverty , and injustice , and i see all these things in the israeli's treatment of the palestinians , and i also deplore the actions of the fanatics on the palestinian side , that cause pain and suffering to so many innocents on BOTH SIDES.

australians do not have word for for people who are not australian , what does that tell you ?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:53 PM

1) Texas was never involved in any discussions at the Zionist conference.
2) Argentina was never considered seriously, neither was Uganda
3) These discussions took place prior to WWI while the pogroms were going on in Russia and the Jews were living in abject poverty in the Pale of Settlement. I didn't think I needed to address that party of history.

Some of these Russian Jews who were advocating settling in Argentina, Uganda, etc. were the cousins, brothers, sisters and children of those being murdered in the pogroms. They were the ones spearheading a Jewish homeland wherever we could get one in whatever way possible.

It's amazing what people will do to save the lives of their loved ones.


So those discussions did take place or they did not ?

But lets forget that then ,and address the fact that

they eventually settled on Palestine for the location of their proposed Jewish State, even though Palestine was already inhabited by a population that was 95 percent Muslims and Christians, who owned 99 percent of the land

How would you like it if i rolled up to your door and said my people lived here hundreds of years ago , and i have come back to reclaim what is ours ?


And if you follow the logic of your last statement , could that not be applied to the palestinian people ?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:30 AM

So those discussions did take place or they did not ?

But lets forget that then ,and address the fact that

they eventually settled on Palestine for the location of their proposed Jewish State, even though Palestine was already inhabited by a population that was 95 percent Muslims and Christians, who owned 99 percent of the land

How would you like it if i rolled up to your door and said my people lived here hundreds of years ago , and i have come back to reclaim what is ours ?


And if you follow the logic of your last statement , could that not be applied to the palestinian people ?


The earlier European Jews either bought property of Arab absentee landowners, bought property from Palestinians directly or settled in the barren desert that wasn't populated by anybody. Tel Aviv, for example, was a settlement of around 13 Jewish families right next to Jaffa. Tel Aviv wasn't built by Arabs, it was built by Jews for the ground up. Jews couldn't steal property during the British Mandate because they'd start some sort of riot by the Arabs. Holocaust survivors immediately following WWII with no family, no where to go and no home either went to North America, sat in refugee camps in Cyprus or snuck in and settled in the desert. They wouldn't have even been able to steal land from the Arabs because they would've attracted attention to themselves as illegal immigrants.

The War of Independence was the time when the property conflicts that have dragged on for decades originated. Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence lost their property and moved into refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Syria or Lebanon. Arabs who stayed in Israel were referred to as a traitors by the governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. Meanwhile, anti-semitic pogroms in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Iran, Turkey, etc. forced just under 1,000,000 Jews out of their respective countries between 1948-1967. The Arab Jewish community was large enough to justify the existence of the State of Israel in it's own right. European Jews came to Israel because they had nowhere else to go.

Here's my point
A) just under 1,000,000 Arab Jews were forced to settle in Israel between 1948 and 1967. Israel found a way to observe every single last one of them.
B) just under 1,000,000 Palestinian Arabs either voluntarily left or were frightened by the prospect of war. Every Arab country refused to absorb-except the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Jordan began revoking the citizenships of many Palestinians in order to bring the demographic crisis to Israel's doorstep faster.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:39 AM

The earlier European Jews either bought property of Arab absentee landowners, bought property from Palestinians directly or settled in the barren desert that wasn't populated by anybody. Tel Aviv, for example, was a settlement of around 13 Jewish families right next to Jaffa. Tel Aviv wasn't built by Arabs, it was built by Jews for the ground up. Jews couldn't steal property during the British Mandate because they'd start some sort of riot by the Arabs. Holocaust survivors immediately following WWII with no family, no where to go and no home either went to North America, sat in refugee camps in Cyprus or snuck in and settled in the desert. They wouldn't have even been able to steal land from the Arabs because they would've attracted attention to themselves as illegal immigrants.

The War of Independence was the time when the property conflicts that have dragged on for decades originated. Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence lost their property and moved into refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Syria or Lebanon. Arabs who stayed in Israel were referred to as a traitors by the governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. Meanwhile, anti-semitic pogroms in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Iran, Turkey, etc. forced just under 1,000,000 Jews out of their respective countries between 1948-1967. The Arab Jewish community was large enough to justify the existence of the State of Israel in it's own right. European Jews came to Israel because they had nowhere else to go.

Here's my point
A) just under 1,000,000 Arab Jews were forced to settle in Israel between 1948 and 1967. Israel found a way to observe every single last one of them.
B) just under 1,000,000 Palestinian Arabs either voluntarily left or were frightened by the prospect of war. Every Arab country refused to absorb-except the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Jordan began revoking the citizenships of many Palestinians in order to bring the demographic crisis to Israel's doorstep faster.


So you are saying you would be cool with someone knocking on your door and claiming that this land belonged to them and you do not mind them claiming it back , and then continuing to take more and more of your land

The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal.[8] Israeli neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and communities in the Golan Heights, areas which have been annexed by Israel, are also considered settlements by the international community, which does not recognise Israel's annexations of these territories.[9] The United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[10][11] The International Court of Justice[12] also says these settlements are illegal,[13][14] and no foreign government supports Israel's settlements.[15] In April 2012, UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon, in response to moves by Israel to legalise Israeli outposts, reiterated that all settlement activity is illegal, and "runs contrary to Israel's obligations under the Road Map and repeated Quartet calls for the parties to refrain from provocations."[16] Similar criticism was advanced by the EU and the US.[

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:43 AM

I am NOT virulently anti-israel dude , my hatred is directed at racism , poverty , and injustice , and i see all these things in the israeli's treatment of the palestinians , and i also deplore the actions of the fanatics on the palestinian side , that cause pain and suffering to so many innocents on BOTH SIDES.

australians do not have word for for people who are not australian , what does that tell you ?


Clearly you are if you're drawing comparisons between the Gaza Strip and the Warsaw Ghetto. Clearly you are if you're drawing comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. Wake up.

Free electricity, water and food aid for every Palestinian in the Gaza Strip(including the children of Hamas operatives and the operatives themselves) isn't exactly treating the Palestinians poorly. It's pretty rare for a nation to feed and provide electricity to another nation that fires rockets at it's civilians.

Really, because you just compared Hamas to the Jewish rebels in the Warsaw ghetto who literally fought Nazis to death. I'd be pretty offended if you were to say that you deplored the actions of my ancestors who drew attention to themselves in order to save the lives of dozens of other people. Nothing about what Hamas is doing is at all similar to what the Jewish rebels are doing.

If you're really against racism and hatred-you should stop saying things that perpetuate anti-semitism.

Australians speak English and I'm pretty sure "foreigner" is a word. All I said was that the behaviour of non-Jews especially insensitive comparisons between Nazi Germany and Israel-makes me feel alienated as a Jewish person in Canada. I really don't even want to know what you meant when you said "what does that tell you?" Are you saying that Jews are obsessed with the barriers between cultures? That doesn't even deserve a response.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:50 AM

Clearly logic is not something you are willing to employ :sadno:

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