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#31 Heretic

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:21 AM

Certainly Hello Magazine would take a hit, but wouldn't the collective wealth of Brit royals, be put to better use elsewhere? Like helping that country out in times of economic uncertainty? Or perhaps by giving the money to various charities so the starving and uneducated no longer have to be?

Or should they be kept around so they can rule over their glorious empire through the tabloids? I for one can't wait for what, if any, significance King William will have on western society during his reign.

If you take all the collective wealth of the royal families, including the oil royals, the church, the greedy, soulless coorporate bigwigs, and the rest of the capitalist elite, and distibute it among the masses, you would find that the world would essentially be saved. (As long as some people don't become more equal than others, i suppose.)


What do you mean by "saved".

Are you talking about a society (ala Star Trek) where there is "no poverty and no hunger, and the accumulation of wealth is not a driving force in society"?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:33 AM

I'd read all this but stopped after the 1st post.

How about people start working hard instead of looking for handouts. The world would not be saved if wealth was distributed evenly. it would prob be worse for everyone. why would anyone invent or create or do anything if you got no reward such as wealth?

Typical liberal thought process wanting everything for nothing. well not nothing you guys want someone else to work hard and then give you their money.

Save Africa? LOL they don't want to save themselves, if you want to save Africa you 1st have to get rid of all the Kings and Warlords that are causing all the strife. It's not the Queen Of England's wealth that will save it.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:37 AM

why would anyone invent or create or do anything if you got no reward such as wealth?

To better themselves and the human species. There are non-wealth-related rewards in today's current society as well. What happened to those?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:47 AM

Better than the alternative


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:11 AM

Amazing how people can be so easily brainwashed into thinking that somebody else is better than them for absolutely no reason.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

I'd read all this but stopped after the 1st post.

How about people start working hard instead of looking for handouts.


Guess who the biggest handout receiver is in the British Commonwealth.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:14 AM

Seems unlikely in Canada - again slim and none with slim departing long ago.


With too many people thinking that way, yes.

Not sure if you're a defeatist or a loyalist though.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:22 PM

These are symptoms of the human condition. If we could wave a magic wand and get rid of the Royal Family, contemporary religion, etc. we would eventually find other ways in which to marginalize different sets of people and create new problems that threaten our species as well as the world itself.


Good point.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:27 PM

These are symptoms of the human condition. If we could wave a magic wand and get rid of the Royal Family, contemporary religion, etc. we would eventually find other ways in which to marginalize different sets of people and create new problems that threaten our species as well as the world itself.


In other words, it's got nothing to do with religion, royal families, the rich, etc....it's human nature.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:31 PM

The royals aren't what are dragging us (or even England) down. Entitlement and fiscal ineptitude are.


Without getting off topic, "England" ? do you mean Great Britain? are riddled with class corruption and delusions of still being a World Power. Both are linked by the way...............and there lies the source of their fiscal ineptitude. That is one of the reasons I am such a strong Scottish Nationalist.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

With too many people thinking that way, yes.

Not sure if you're a defeatist or a loyalist though.

Neither, I am a realist not prone to flights of unsupported fancy.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:37 PM

Without getting off topic, "England" ? do you mean Great Britain? are riddled with class corruption and delusions of still being a World Power. Both are linked by the way...............and there lies the source of their fiscal ineptitude. That is one of the reasons I am such a strong Scottish Nationalist.



Probably meant the UK. So when will Scotland be suceeding?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

Neither, I am a realist not prone to flights of unsupported fancy.


200 years ago, we thought Canada (BNA) would forever remain a British Colony.

I don't know how long it'll take, but we should eventually come to our senses and drop this useless relic of the past.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:55 PM

200 years ago, we thought Canada (BNA) would forever remain a British Colony.

I don't know how long it'll take, but we should eventually come to our senses and drop this useless relic of the past.

Given the unanimity clause in our Constitution for changing the office of the Queen it seems fantastical.

And the other offices would have to be created to fill the role of the Queen as Head of State and her delegates - federal and provincial.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:07 PM

Given the unanimity clause in our Constitution for changing the office of the Queen it seems fantastical.

And the other offices would have to be created to fill the role of the Queen as Head of State and her delegates - federal and provincial


Given that the role is filled by one person that we happen to pick I don't know how it could be done more efficiently.

The current chief ribbon cutter works for me.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:27 PM

Given the unanimity clause in our Constitution for changing the office of the Queen it seems fantastical.

And the other offices would have to be created to fill the role of the Queen as Head of State and her delegates - federal and provincial.

For the purposes of discussing the hypothetical ('fantastical') situation outlined by this thread, your noted concerns are now magically solved. Now what? Would we be better off? That was the question asked, not whether or not it could legally happen.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

I was talking about it realistically happening... and it is not.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

Sure, but are you able to answer the question?

Just pretend you're reading a piece of fiction. You're allowed to react to it.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:46 PM

I do not engage in fantastical hypotheticals .
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:49 PM

So... Why post?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:08 PM

So... Why post?

To inform the uninformed and educate the ill-educated.

And point out when there is no realistic or rational foundation to an opinion.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:23 PM

Well you've been around long enough to know that you should probably stick with the topic at hand.

But maybe you can teach us all about what your opinion would be on the actual discussion. Please? I mean, since you're in the thread and all.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:49 PM

Even if you killed the Royals, seized all their property, and proportioned the money out as a dividend cheque (which using the rough value of 20 billion for their total land holdings, the castles, the crown jewals, etc. would be about 350 pounds sterling) for everyone in England they would still be hooped. It would cover 20% of their current budget deficit. For one year. As a nation they would still be massively in debt.

Doing the same for the Governer General in Canada might save you enough for a cup of coffee.

Even in England and even more so you're free to say bad things about the Queen or just outright ignore all the pap.

Compare that with the states where you get the same mess but with Kardashians.

Compare that with other states where the King is still very much real and not to be insulted.

Compare that even with supposedly equal societies where inevitably some sort of elite emerges.

I would say what we have no is a pretty cheap and benign placeholder for claims anyone might have regarding their moral reasoning for being the head of state.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

Well you've been around long enough to know that you should probably stick with the topic at hand.

But maybe you can teach us all about what your opinion would be on the actual discussion. Please? I mean, since you're in the thread and all.

I am sticking with the topic at hand. As I have pointed out it is a fantasy post.

If you think I am not "on topic" then do what the rules direct and report me rather than blathering on..
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

Personally, I'll keep the Royals on the off chance someone, I don't know who maybe the big guy in the basement, decides to home invade us because he did not pay his water bill.

It's a little reassuring knowing we have historical and political ties to another strong nation.

All your egss, one basket....

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

Personally, I'll keep the Royals on the off chance someone, I don't know who maybe the big guy in the basement, decides to home invade us because he did not pay his water bill.

It's a little reassuring knowing we have historical and political ties to another strong nation.

All your egss, one basket....


We'll have to return the favour then, in case one of their European neighbours decide to attack them.

Besides, they're currently the big guy's biggest lapdog, though Harper is trying hard to get us that title back away from them.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:04 PM

It won't happen anytime soon...as if it really really difficult to make this happen...if you think about it there has been other similar reform like the Canadian Senate which had failed and tried to change I believe but never worked...anyone who study political science should know this wont happen with the current government or probably future government as does not seem to be willing change
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:07 PM

The problem is getting rid of the Queen of Canada and her delegates the Governor General and Lieutenant Governors requires a unanimous amendment to the Constitution of Canada and can only be modified by a unanimous vote of all the provinces plus the two Houses of Parliament known as the "unanimity formula" per section 41 (a) of the Constitution Act, 1982:


41. An amendment to the Constitution of Canada in relation to the following matters may be made by proclamation issued by the Governor General under the Great Seal of Canada only where authorized by resolutions of the Senate and House of Commons and of the legislative assemblies of each province:


(a) the office of the Queen, the Governor General and the Lieutenant Governor of a province;


That possibility seems to be on the order of chance of slim and none... and slim has left the building. So it is pure fantasy without any real world foundation.


So no amount of public opinion nor even a referendum will change that?

Has democracy also left the building?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:19 PM

I feel no need to complain when this doesn't really impact me in any way. Afterall, it's not like you're doing something major like denying me a haircut.

However, i am curious as to why you cannot just answer the question? All work and no play?

I am sticking with the topic at hand. As I have pointed out it is a fantasy post.

If you think I am not "on topic" then do what the rules direct and report me rather than blathering on..


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