Tortorella's Rant Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Lucic comes to mind. Hindsight, blah blah blah. C'mon, this guy went 50th overall and they probably never even considered the guy let alone try to make a trade up and get him in the second. Not to mention he played down the road every few nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Didn't gillis ask Cannauton to leave college and cone to the giants who owned is rights? That shows that Gillis values the dub over sone NCAA conferences and shows that the Canucks are not really anti-whl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 One thing I wouldn't mind seeing is us picking up some Giant players with our later picks. When it comes to the 4th or 5th round and later, why not pick a guy who already has fans in the city, and still has time to develop with Don Hay. Its sad to see hometown favourites like Gallagher (5th round), Tvrdon (4th round), and Kulak (4th round), go by the wayside then develop into players who look like they were a steal at that point of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 As a Kelowna Rockets fan, I've had the pleasure of seeing Keith, Weber, Myers, Schenn, Edler, Gorges, Hannan, and Souray develop under an amazing Rockets development program. They do an amazing job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The Vancouver Canucks have not selected a single WHL player in the draft since 2008, when they selected Prabh Rai and Morgan Clark in the 5th and 7th rounds. The WHL is known for its different brand of hockey vis-a-vis the OHL and the QMJHL; notably, it's a lot grittier, a lot tougher, a lot more "old time". Not surprisingly, these are characteristics missing from Canuck teams of late. Too much GM & Coach Eastern influence? Why are they avoiding the WHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Yip; look at Ballard? AV generally finds the right roles for guys relative to their skills and roles the team needs. For example he knew how to use Hodgson but he's not going to replace Hank... (Who is an even better example of putting someone in the right role?). That list has always rewarded your glue guys like Burrows, Hansen, Rypien and Kesler is a more talented version. D factory? The Canucks have done a nice job of developing Bieksa and Edler who have both handsomely exceeded their draft expectations, Edler making the team ahead of a more acclaimed 1st round pick on D, Bourdon. Looking at history, even guys like Ohlund have ultimately just been effective journeyman who helped our team but did not carry it. Hamhuis and Edler, IMO are probably the best D we have had in the last twenty years (very possible to argue Ohlund over Edler, but there is an extra allure of offensive potential). But where we have Andersson and Connauton (debate ably) and Tanev as a recalmation project all coming along nicely, we also have Ballard, Joslin and Gragnani mowing the lawn outside the factory... and not yet have we ever even seen that true blue chip stud who could actually carry our team (Weber, Doughty, Niedermyer). We're OK, but factory is too generous! Vancouver is considered a d-man factory in the nhl. Since we take crappy d-men (errorhoff) and make them good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00bxQb Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Didn't gillis ask Cannauton to leave college and cone to the giants who owned is rights? That shows that Gillis values the dub over sone NCAA conferences and shows that the Canucks are not really anti-whl The whole not drafting Russians? I think is very smart. The idiot Nonis, traded away lots of picks and used the majority of the rest to draft Russians who turned out ok but would not stay in north amaerica- kublikov, shirokov, koltsov... Gillis did manage to convince shirokov to come over but drafting Russians is a risk. Gillis does make some odd picks- Mallet, Honzik, Sauve come to mind but I think in 2 yrs we can make a better judgement in his drafting record. Tanev Jensen Kassian Cannaton Lack should all join the team by then, so it could be impressive or some of these guys could flop. I am aware Tanev and Lack were signed not drafted. I am still baffled at times about our prospect management and selection Whey did Froshaug not come to NA or to any training camps? Where is That Finnish goalie who was supposed to play got the giants last year? Ilathaji? Whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I think we should take one Kelowna Rocket defenseman every year. Kyle CumiskeyAlexander EdlerJosh GorgesScott HannanDuncan KeithJoel KwiatkowskiKyle McLarenTyler MyersRichie RegehrLuke SchennSheldon SourayShea WeberNolan Yonkman All former Kelowna rockets. We can't do any worse with drafting defenseman. The Canucks have drafted only two NHL defenseman in the last 14 years and one of them happened to be a Kelowna Rocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I have to agree somewhat. Although I don't really know what they are doing it appears they are trying to outsmart everyone and use our heavily weighted European scouting influence and then draft college players. I think taking some WHL players instead of these college guys would be wiser. Smarts only count for so much in hockey and WHL guys have so much more character than College players, plus they play more games, against better competition. And King, Grabner sucks, really? Why do you like these guys that can't play defence to save their lives? Is it because you don't get (negative) points for defence and you can't google that? Not going to rehash that argument though, we've done it to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugemanskost Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 IMO, it doesn't matter where a player is from if he fits your club's needs. Also, WHL Alumni Trevor Linden and Stan Smyl were both drafted by the Canucks. 2 captains with 20+ years of service... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 And King, Grabner sucks, really? Why do you like these guys that can't play defence to save their lives? Is it because you don't get (negative) points for defence and you can't google that? Not going to rehash that argument though, we've done it to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Lucic signed for 3 years in boston right? I heard a rumour that he wants to play in Vancouver but I find that hard to believe considering what his family went through herd after the SCF Did anyone else hear this rumour? I could see him becoming captain here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I don't think so, but we should look for D-men. It's what I always heard they produce some of the best defensemen. But, whatever is the best player available, choose them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 He sucks, does he? 35 goals, fastest skater in the NHL at 23 years old. Let me guess - you're very bullish on Anton Rodin. Am I right? EDIT: and how do you define "good defence", by the way? Grabner's +13 was tied for tops on the team in 2010-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 K.Conn Played for the Giants for a year. Or was it just a figment of my imagination. Tie goes to the runner. I think we need to find the late round utility player from the Dub. The Canucks haven't done a very good job of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Considering Linden and Smyl were the two best players the Canucks ever iced . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 It's weird, but probably just a coincidence. After all the Canucks have convinced guys to play in the dub after they were drafted. (Edler, Connauton etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 Hilarious. Nearly as funny as the guy who takes Dan Russell's comments as gospel. Or the guy who thinks we clearly made a mistake trading Grabner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Yeah, because I'd sure rather have Keith Ballard than Michael Grabner, Quinton Howden, and Steve Bernier. Who wouldn't? Acquisition of the decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 A player who put up 30 points last season and was a -18, a player who hasn't played in the NHL and likely won't, and a fourth liner that is barely in the NHL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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