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Who is the dirtiest player ever

  1. Mark Messier (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. Claude Lemieux (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

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  3. Chris Simon (4 votes [36.36%] - View)

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  4. Eddie Shore (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

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  5. Sprague Cleghorn (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

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  6. Billy Smith (0 votes [0.00%])

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  7. Matt Cooke (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

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  8. Ulf Samuelsson (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

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  9. Ken Linseman (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

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  10. Darius Kasparitis (0 votes [0.00%])

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  11. Ron Hextall (0 votes [0.00%])

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  12. Chris Chelios (0 votes [0.00%])

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  13. Dale Hunter (0 votes [0.00%])

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  14. Brad Marchand (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

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  15. Steve Downie (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 RUPERTKBD

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:09 AM

This was a topic on Sportsnet this moring. Several names were mentioned, including Ken Linseman, Billy Smith, Darius Kasparitis, Ulf Samuelsson, matt Cooke, etc. I wondered what CDC thinks....who is the dirtiest player ever?

I'd go with Eddie Shore.

Edited by RUPERTKBD, 26 November 2012 - 08:12 AM.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:11 AM

McSorley or Claude Lemieux .
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

Was going to say Ulf and Kasp and shall add Scott Stevens.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

I gotta go with good ol Marty McSorley. Still remember watching that stick to the side of Brashear's Head. Just vicious
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:16 AM

I gotta go with good ol Marty McSorley. Still remember watching that stick to the side of Brashear's Head. Just vicious



I figured that a lot of people would choose him, but other than the Brashear incident, I don't remember a lot of dirty plays from Marty. That's saying something for an enforcer.

In fact, I think that overall, Brash was a dirtier player than McSorely was.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

Brad ratface Marchand or Matt Cooke
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:25 AM

I agree w/ Doug MacLean. Mark Messier
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:30 AM

I agree w/ Doug MacLean. Mark Messier

Oh yeah, forgot about him and the Gilmour incident. Gilmour was coming up to hit him and Messier crosschecked him in the face without looking. Later on the bench Messier seemed upset that it wasn't some rookie. Messier didn't get a penalty either.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:45 AM

Gary Suter, Bryan Marchment, Bobby Clarke
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:53 AM

McSorley or Claude Lemieux .

You can't mention McSorely without mentioning Dino Ciccarelli.

Oh yeah, forgot about him and the Gilmour incident. Gilmour was coming up to hit him and Messier crosschecked him in the face without looking. Later on the bench Messier seemed upset that it wasn't some rookie. Messier didn't get a penalty either.

And the not quite as violent (but certainly more emotional to Canucks fans) cross check to Linden when he was down in the 1994 finals.



I only wish there had been the camera coverage back then as what they had now since that would have been all captured on the video while the play was still ongoing.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:58 AM

Also Sprague Cleghorn has to be mentioned.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:23 PM

Chris Simon. The guy was completely loony.



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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:53 PM

Not Playing - Claude Lemieux

Playing - Raffi Torres. Matt Cooke is up there, but he's seemed to be better (at last he was last season). Torres is dangerous and has no remorse for his actions.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:19 PM

I don't think Torres is dirty, his nature is just that of a bull. I doubt he's thinking "im gonna illegally injure this guy and hope i don't get caught", he's just edgy and a little nuts. I don't see him hacking at guys when refs aren't looking or taking out guys knees. He looks for big hits and at high speeds with HD instant replay it's almost impossible to hit someone perfectly within the rules. There will always be some head contact and you can always slide a piece of paper under someones skate to claim they "jumped". Would love to have him back on the nucks.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:43 PM

Scott Stevens would be in Shanahan's office so much he'd have a parking spot reserved for him.

I don't see how he'd be allowed to play in today's game the way they are dealing with head shots.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:46 PM

Chris Simon. The guy was completely loony.

That's who else I was thinking of when I mentioned Cicarelli in response to the McSorely votes above, but I was blanking on the name.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

Gary Bettman
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:05 PM

Gotta be Henrik Sedin. See that swat to the head he gave to Brown? Disgusting.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:21 PM

I don't think Torres is dirty, his nature is just that of a bull. I doubt he's thinking "im gonna illegally injure this guy and hope i don't get caught", he's just edgy and a little nuts. I don't see him hacking at guys when refs aren't looking or taking out guys knees. He looks for big hits and at high speeds with HD instant replay it's almost impossible to hit someone perfectly within the rules. There will always be some head contact and you can always slide a piece of paper under someones skate to claim they "jumped". Would love to have him back on the nucks.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:07 PM

my vote is for connie madigan, played for portland in the old western hockey league. i'm trying to remember another fellows name. if he couldn't find any players to fight, he would fight his own teammates...ah yes, oggie oglethorpe. does anyone remember him.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:08 PM

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:53 PM

I figured that a lot of people would choose him, but other than the Brashear incident, I don't remember a lot of dirty plays from Marty. That's saying something for an enforcer.

In fact, I think that overall, Brash was a dirtier player than McSorely was.

brash was dirty, for sure, but I don't know why people only remember the one McSorely incident. McSorley was a very dirty player when he was Gretzky's bodyguard. he'd do TONNES of dirty little plays away from the puck to ensure no one even thought about touching Wayne. If he was playing in today's NHL he'd be in the constant spotlight for his dirty play, instead of hiding in the background while Gretzky took all the headlines, and he'd be suspended every other game.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:47 PM

my vote is for connie madigan, played for portland in the old western hockey league. i'm trying to remember another fellows name. if he couldn't find any players to fight, he would fight his own teammates...ah yes, oggie oglethorpe. does anyone remember him.


You mean the Ogie from "Slap Shot", Joe? he was a goon, for sure.

Surprised no one has mentioned Link Gaetz yet. Total head case / sociopath. 412 PIM in 65 career games... 17 fights.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:20 PM

Old folks answer: Eddie Shack.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:10 AM

McSorely, Chris Simon, Marchment, and Marchand are guys who come to mind.

Marchand might not be the worst yet, but he's workin' his way up there.

EDIT: Some of Stevens' hits would be pretty questionable in today's game for sure too,

Edited by ajhockey, 22 November 2012 - 01:14 AM.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:58 AM

Claude Lemieux was dirty but having watched Messier I think he was the dirtiest. The guy was nasty. There's a reason no one messed with Mess.

Marty Mcsorley was not a dirty player.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:15 AM

brash was dirty, for sure, but I don't know why people only remember the one McSorely incident. McSorley was a very dirty player when he was Gretzky's bodyguard. he'd do TONNES of dirty little plays away from the puck to ensure no one even thought about touching Wayne. If he was playing in today's NHL he'd be in the constant spotlight for his dirty play, instead of hiding in the background while Gretzky took all the headlines, and he'd be suspended every other game.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree. I watched McSorely plenty and while he played the part of Gretz' bodyguard, I didn't ever see much in the way of crossing the line from him. (the Brash incident notwithstanding) He pretty much did what enforcers are paid to do.

If you want examples of enforcers who crossed that line on a regular basis, Jager's suggestion of Chris Simon fits the bill, as does Link Gaetz, John Kordic, etc.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:32 AM

Chris Simon or Mark Messier. Matt Cooke gets dishonourable mention. Sean Avery is a goofball too.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

Dirtiest*

And Chris Simon and Dan Carcillo come to mind.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:33 AM

Gary Suter, Bryan Marchment, Bobby Clarke


Pretty much what I would list.

Too many are listing single incidents and if that was the case then you would have to add Bure's hit on Churla and Peca's on Selanne. (skip to 1:09 to see the hit in the Peca vid)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wclnrrir0T0

Both dirty as hell but not definitive of their careers. Cooke, though was probably the dirtiest Canuck ever and definitely one of the worst of this era. Marchand hasn't hit that level yet, but he is working at it.

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