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#31 Drybone

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

Didnt we draft Nathan Smith in 2000?

I think our development system has improved . We now turn our draft picks into solid NHL players.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:55 PM

Poor choices? LOL

Looking at our 1st round picks since 2000, our track record looks pretty great.
2000 - 2nd/3rd Overall - Daniel/Henrik Sedin (Top line superstars)
2001 - 16th Overall - RJ Umberger (6 time 20 goal scorer, but did not develop with VAN)
2002 - No 1st Rounder
2003 - Ryan Kesler (2nd line centre Selke winner)
2004 - Cory Schneider (One of the best young goaltenders in the league)
2005 - Luc Bourdon (Would have been a top 4 defender had the tragic accident not happened, RIP)
2006 - Michael Grabner (Developed with VAN, but wasn't in proper shape, this was admitted by Grabner himself)
2007 - Patrick White (BUST)
2008 - Cody Hodgson (Developed by VAN, traded due to drama issues, got a top power forward prospect in return)
2009 - Jordan Schroeder (Ranked as a top 5 North American prospect, should have been a steal at 22)
2010 - No 1st Rounder
2011 - Nicklas Jensen (Leading scorer on SEL team)
2012 - Brendan Gaunce (One of the draft's most NHL ready prospects, lots of defensive potential)


Man, our first round drafting and development just SUCKSSSSS.

Only 4 Canucks drafted prospects have played more than 10 games in the NHL since 2005 (Bourdon, Raymond, Grabner, Hodgson). Only 1 of those players is currently on the Canucks roster (should be 2 if Bourdon was still alive). Not the greatest track record since the lockout.
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#33 Squeak

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

Didnt we draft Nathan Smith in 2000?

I think our development system has improved . We now turn our draft picks into solid NHL players.


You are correct.

Sedin's were 1999.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:05 PM

Only 4 Canucks drafted prospects have played more than 10 games in the NHL since 2005 (Bourdon, Raymond, Grabner, Hodgson). Only 1 of those players is currently on the Canucks roster (should be 2 if Bourdon was still alive). Not the greatest track record since the lockout.


Of 7 1st round prospects (which is what we're talking about here):

3 made the NHL. 1 should be in the NHL next year (Jensen). Schroeder would have been in the NHL more than likely had there been a season. White was a bust, and Gaunce was just drafted this year.

4 players are not in the organization anymore. Hodgson demanded guaranteed playing time. White was a bust. Grabner had far too poor conditioning and was waiver eligible, so a trade was the only option. And then there's Luc.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:08 PM

What you are all forgetting is that each team will draft 2 sets.

One for this year's lockout and the continuing lockout for next year.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:14 PM

What you are all forgetting is that each team will draft 2 sets.

One for this year's lockout and the continuing lockout for next year.



...... you are sooooooooooooooo funny.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

Poor choices? LOL

Looking at our 1st round picks since 2000, our track record looks pretty great.
2000 - 2nd/3rd Overall - Daniel/Henrik Sedin (Top line superstars)
2001 - 16th Overall - RJ Umberger (6 time 20 goal scorer, but did not develop with VAN)
2002 - No 1st Rounder
2003 - Ryan Kesler (2nd line centre Selke winner)
2004 - Cory Schneider (One of the best young goaltenders in the league)
2005 - Luc Bourdon (Would have been a top 4 defender had the tragic accident not happened, RIP)
2006 - Michael Grabner (Developed with VAN, but wasn't in proper shape, this was admitted by Grabner himself)
2007 - Patrick White (BUST)
2008 - Cody Hodgson (Developed by VAN, traded due to drama issues, got a top power forward prospect in return)
2009 - Jordan Schroeder (Ranked as a top 5 North American prospect, should have been a steal at 22)
2010 - No 1st Rounder
2011 - Nicklas Jensen (Leading scorer on SEL team)
2012 - Brendan Gaunce (One of the draft's most NHL ready prospects, lots of defensive potential)


Man, our first round drafting and development just SUCKSSSSS.


Sedins were 99, Nathan Smith was 2000. So we drafted 2 busts 12 drafts.

How do we compare to similar teams?

Nashville - 2 busts (Finley, Parent)
St. Louis - 3 busts (Schwarz, Taffe, Belle)
LA - 4 busts (Hickey, Lewis, Tukonen, Karlsson )
Boston - 4 busts (Hamill, Lashoff, Toivonen, Jonsson)
San Jose - 4 busts (Wishart, Kaspar, Morris, Jilsson)
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:18 PM

Like the Sedins, Linden, Kesler, Nedved, Ohlund, Schnieder etc.


Yep. That's a small percentage. Thanks for proving my point
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

Sedins were 99, Nathan Smith was 2000. So we drafted 2 busts 12 drafts.

How do we compare to similar teams?

Nashville - 2 busts (Finley, Parent)
St. Louis - 3 busts (Schwarz, Taffe, Belle)
LA - 4 busts (Hickey, Lewis, Tukonen, Karlsson )
Boston - 4 busts (Hamill, Lashoff, Toivonen, Jonsson)
San Jose - 4 busts (Wishart, Kaspar, Morris, Jilsson)


I wouldn't classify Lewis as a bust, he didn't meet original expectations, but he was a huge key to there cup win and has become a very servicable 3rd line player that can move up and down the line-up when needed, so he's still pretty important.

I do agree our drafting issue's (Atleast in the 1st round) are greatly overrated, from where we have been picking (usually 20-30) we have done a great job getting players like Kesler, Schneider, Jensen and Grabner (exc.)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:22 PM

Sedins were 99, Nathan Smith was 2000. So we drafted 2 busts 12 drafts.

How do we compare to similar teams?

Nashville - 2 busts (Finley, Parent)
St. Louis - 3 busts (Schwarz, Taffe, Belle)
LA - 4 busts (Hickey, Lewis, Tukonen, Karlsson )
Boston - 4 busts (Hamill, Lashoff, Toivonen, Jonsson)
San Jose - 4 busts (Wishart, Kaspar, Morris, Jilsson)


But teh Canuks r teh wurst draftrs, shoulda draftd kopitarzzzz!!!!1!!1!1
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:38 PM

Yep. That's a small percentage. Thanks for proving my point


7/37. 20% of our first round picks have been superstars. Seems pretty good to me.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

I'd be happy to get a top 10. :)
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"It's an opportunity, we don't look at it as a last chance... We look at it as an opportunity to do something great. We are going to take it period by period, shift by shift. You just have to be better than the guy across from you... Every guy in this locker room I can say believes we can do this." - Ryan Kesler

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

They will have the third overall pick and take Shinkurk. They'll be good. This is a deep draft!


No way, Barkov is a better prospect than Shinkurk. He is among the most NHL ready players in this draft. He is over a point per game in the Finnish League.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:23 PM

Like the Sedins, Linden, Kesler, Nedved, Ohlund, Schnieder etc.


We've had few more too, that just weren't with us for long. Hodgson, Grabner, Neely just to name few.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:34 PM

What you are all forgetting is that each team will draft 2 sets.

One for this year's lockout and the continuing lockout for next year.

Because a lockout can last for two years.....
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

Because a lockout can last for two years.....


Technically it can. If Bettman keeps saying no to the proposals and he doesn't budge.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

Because a lockout can last for two years.....


It can depending how badly the players want to stick it to the owners. Once Crosby and the rest of the big dogs head over seas I wouldn't be surprised to see the union dog they're heels in even more. Once the season is lost, the union has nothing to lose and will be harder to bully and the lockout will come very close to next season if not go into it.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:06 AM

we had a top ten in 2005 even though we only had one ball. Chances are low, but anything can happen if we get a top ten again that's a huge plus in this draft however. if we got the 30th pick we would also get the 31st so there is something said about getting a late pick too seeing this is a deeper draft than usual.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:44 AM

I'd love for us to snag Barkov this draft somehow. He's playing with Jannik Hansen right now and tearing it up at Tappara. He's so young still too 95 baby I think. Good 2 way C who has the potential to be great.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:53 AM

Calgary and Toronto 1and2
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:30 AM

sean monahan is a guy i really hope the canucks try to draft by moving up
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:13 AM

slim chance, can't remember how it works but read if a team has been quite successful in past seasons, which this team has with the president trophy X2, and SCF appearance, etc. they are less likely to get the no. 1
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:36 AM

bettman said in the summer there would be no lottery(if theres a lockout/ season lost) it would go by financials so the worst off team gets first overall.. funny that happens to be the Coyotes the team the nhl currently owns.
i read that in september just before the lockout at sportsnet or tsn.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:08 AM

I wonder if we have the worst luck with 1st round picks.. Only a small percentage of ours go on to do great things with our team...


sad but true. This more or less represents our drafting in past, pre and post Gillis Era. But a top 4 pick somehow would be awesome. Landing the 10th pick in 2005 launched me to the ceiling. We'll see what happens.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:59 AM

If a deal with Toronto goes through and we land their first round pick do we get their share of 3 balls or is it just 2? So would we have a total of 4 or just 2?
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:18 AM

If a deal with Toronto goes through and we land their first round pick do we get their share of 3 balls or is it just 2? So would we have a total of 4 or just 2?

toronto's balls would equate to our balls, because wherever they land in the draft their first round pick would become ours.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:34 PM

toronto's balls would equate to our balls, because wherever they land in the draft their first round pick would become ours.


Thanks for clearing that up!
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

Sedins were 99, Nathan Smith was 2000. So we drafted 2 busts 12 drafts.

How do we compare to similar teams?

Nashville - 2 busts (Finley, Parent)
St. Louis - 3 busts (Schwarz, Taffe, Belle)
LA - 4 busts (Hickey, Lewis, Tukonen, Karlsson )
Boston - 4 busts (Hamill, Lashoff, Toivonen, Jonsson)
San Jose - 4 busts (Wishart, Kaspar, Morris, Jilsson)


Wishart, Hickey, Schwarz, Hamill, Lewis...they aren't considered busts just yet. Jaden Schwarz is one of the better prospects in the Blues' system, if I'm not mistaken. Hickey is only what, 22 years old? Hamill is around the same...and Lewis has played in the NHL, hasn't he? Just becuase hes not a superstar doesn't mean hes necessarily a bust.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:27 PM

Only way for a upcoming 1st overall,in my opinion is via trade.

Fingers crossed for 2015 Connor McDavid haha!
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

The Columbus Blue Jackets # 1 and Dallas Stars # 2 heard it here first.


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