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#1 key2thecup

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:07 PM

Internal emails offer details on bin Laden burial

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Internal emails among U.S. military officers indicate that no sailors watched Osama bin Laden's burial at sea from the USS Carl Vinson and traditional Islamic procedures were followed during the ceremony.

The emails, obtained by The Associated Press through the Freedom of Information Act, are heavily blacked out, but are the first public disclosure of government information about the al-Qaida leader's death. The emails were released Wednesday by the Defense Department.

Bin Laden was killed on May 1, 2011, by a Navy SEAL team that assaulted his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

One email stamped secret and sent on May 2 by a senior Navy officer briefly describes how bin Laden's body was washed, wrapped in a white sheet, and then placed in a weighted bag.
According to another message from the Vinson's public affairs officer, only a small group of the ship's leadership was informed of the burial.

"Traditional procedures for Islamic burial was followed," the May 2 email from Rear Adm. Charles Gaouette reads. "The deceased's body was washed (ablution) then placed in a white sheet. The body was placed in a weighted bag. A military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up, whereupon the deceased's body slid into the sea."

The email also included a cryptic reference to the intense secrecy surrounding the mission. "The paucity of documentary evidence in our possession is a reflection of the emphasis placed on operational security during the execution of this phase of the operation," Gaouette's message reads. Recipients of the email included Adm. Mike Mullen, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. James Mattis, the top officer at U.S. Central Command. Mullen retired from the military in September 2011.

Earlier, Gaouette, then the deputy commander of the Navy's Fifth Fleet, and another officer used code words to discuss whether the helicopters carrying the SEALs and bin Laden's body had arrived on the Vinson.

"Any news on the package for us?" he asked Rear Adm. Samuel Perez, commander of the carrier strike group that included the Vinson.

"FEDEX delivered the package," Perez responded. "Both trucks are safely enroute home base."
Although the Obama administration has pledged to be the most transparent in American history, it is keeping a tight hold on materials related to the bin Laden raid. In a response to separate requests from the AP for information about the mission, the Defense Department said in March that it could not locate any photographs or video taken during the raid or showing bin Laden's body. It also said it could not find any images of bin Laden's body on the Vinson.

The Pentagon also said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden's body if he were killed.

The Defense Department also refused to confirm or deny the existence of helicopter maintenance logs and reports about the performance of military gear used in the raid. One of the stealth helicopters that carried the SEALs to Abbottabad crashed during the mission and its wreckage was left behind. People who lived near bin Laden's compound took photos of the disabled chopper.

The AP is appealing the Defense Department's decision. The CIA, which ran the bin Laden raid and has special legal authority to keep information from ever being made public, has not responded to AP's request for records about the mission.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:19 PM

So the man who may or may not have actually existed and may or may not have been a terrorist may or may not have been killed and there may or may not ever be definitive proof that he may or may not have been killed? Well, that coincides with there may or may not be any definitive proof that he may or may not have been a terrorist or that he may or may not have actually existed.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:04 PM

Or, more simply put:
- if he was a real terrorist and Obama faked killing him, he'd already have sent a message (video/audio) saying he was still alive and America was still bad
- or, if he wasn't a real terrorist and Obama faked killing him (or maybe not) then he was created by previous administrations to instill fear in the public

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:19 PM

I find it funny that Americans bought the fact he was killed when he was by the American Government with absolutely no proof. But yet they will question the hell out of 9/11 with no real concrete evidence that it was an inside job.

But it sure help Obama's optical run for a second term.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:56 PM

Whatever way you choose to look at it, Bin Laden was "created" by the US military complex and he was "destroyed" by said complex .. at one time he was the "fair haired boy" .. sorta like that "Prisoner-of-War Hero", John McCain ..

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:48 AM

Whatever way you choose to look at it, Bin Laden was "created" by the US military complex and he was "destroyed" by said complex .. at one time he was the "fair haired boy" .. sorta like that "Prisoner-of-War Hero", John McCain ..


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:42 AM

Barack Obama is Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is Barack Obama. Barack Obama lied to the American people about killing Osama Bin Laden so he could be re-elected. Osama Bin Laden is our new president. Time to march on Washington to take back America from Osama Binrack Lambama.










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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:19 PM

Barack Obama is Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is Barack Obama. Barack Obama lied to the American people about killing Osama Bin Laden so he could be re-elected. Osama Bin Laden is our new president. Time to march on Washington to take back America from Osama Binrack Lambama.










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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:21 PM

(.. and not a "hair" out of place ..) :lol:


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Hard to get his hair 'wrong' when it can never be right anyways.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:57 PM

There might have an actual raid but if anyone died in the event I'd bet OBL wasn't one of them, in fact the raid may have had nothing to do Bin Laden at all.

I'm beginning to suspect that while the foot soldiers of Jihad might be genuine, much of their command structure/role models are puppets on a string.

I recently read a book by an ex Mossad agent who claimed that the major anti Israel terrorist groups were actually under Mossad influence, basically for the purpose of keeping the otherwise fractured Israeli society unified and to justify that country's defense industry and clandestine services.

If that's true, hy can't it be the same case for the U.S. and other Western countries?
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:16 PM

Well, he had not make any more taped messages or videos. Isn't that enough proof that he is dead? What more proof do people want anyway? Put his body on public display? Even if that happened people would say it is fake.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

There might have an actual raid but if anyone died in the event I'd bet OBL wasn't one of them, in fact the raid may have had nothing to do Bin Laden at all.

I'm beginning to suspect that while the foot soldiers of Jihad might be genuine, much of their command structure/role models are puppets on a string.

I recently read a book by an ex Mossad agent who claimed that the major anti Israel terrorist groups were actually under Mossad influence, basically for the purpose of keeping the otherwise fractured Israeli society unified and to justify that country's defense industry and clandestine services.

If that's true, hy can't it be the same case for the U.S. and other Western countries?


Interesting.

Well, he had not make any more taped messages or videos. Isn't that enough proof that he is dead? What more proof do people want anyway? Put his body on public display? Even if that happened people would say it is fake.


Oh those retarded tapes were he dye's his beard and trims it, even though he is some super fanatical Muslim, and looks younger as the years go by?

No I think the entire world would have been satisfied if the US gave the media some concrete proof, photos, videos of him, dna evidence.... No lets just dump him in the sea and say its Muslim tradition even though its technically not (since he wasn't killed at sea).

Why wasn't Saddam just carved up and thrown in the trash?! Why did he have a world-wide media coverage trial were he was sentenced guilty and then hung on live TV?

You would think the world's most dangerous modern terrorist would have gotten that treatment..




What should have happened? He should have been captured ALIVE and taken straight to NYC and put on TRIAL for the world to witness how law & order works in the West.

Now at the same time, I don't blame the Seals for killing him (if they even did) since in the fog of war you can't always predict outcomes.


This whole thing has been fishy (no pun intended) since the "killing", Oh he used some woman as the shield against the Seals, then he didn't. Oh he fought back with gunfire, then he didn't. Oh here's a picture released by the White House showing Obama and Hillary grabbing there mouths and the WH saying this was taken during the incident, oh wait then they said that was something else...


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:18 PM

Killing him on May Day and then doing all this water-based stuff was a mistake, they should have burned him. It would have brought huge benefits to the war on al-qaeda. Putting him into the ocean inverts all that and turns his death to al-qaeda's benefit instead of America's. It is known.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:10 AM

They faked killed him but really they have him held up somewhere being torchered for more intelligents ...

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

I find it funny that Americans bought the fact he was killed when he was by the American Government with absolutely no proof. But yet they will question the hell out of 9/11 with no real concrete evidence that it was an inside job.

But it sure help Obama's optical run for a second term.


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