BuretoMogilny, on 10 December 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:
1. What's fair is he was given many opportunities and did not seize them. That says something to a coaching staff and GM, eventually your chances wear out. You see that with many players, especially if you are not doing the things the coaches are asking of you, that's why this happens no other reason.
2. One player who is not consistent in the NHL is not the cause of their winning. Clearly, he was given another opportunity and the coaches felt he was still not ready, not that he is being blacklisted.
I am not really sure why you don't get this. Its honestly very frustrating arguing a point with someone who just thinks is just simply that people have it out for this guy.
I'll ask you a question
Why is it that you cannot accept the reason he has not made the NHL has been because of his play, his committment to fitness and his commitment to the team concept?
Why is it that you want to give him the easy excuse out that the reason he is not successful is not because of things he isn't doing but because of someone else?
Why is that you can't accept that an individual's success is based on their efforts? Where do you get these views from?
Finally you reply with something. I'm actually happy about this, we can finally have a discussion.
1. I understand your point, and I think you are partially right, but there have also been times where perhaps he was good enough to stick with the leafs and they send him down and make up some excuse like "not responsible defensively" yet he is a + and they are winning hockey games and he is contributing.
2. See and why do they think that? He is doing all the right things, he is playing better than some of there regluars, the team is winning and he is contributing quite a bit, so why send him down? If he was struggling then I understand completely, but he was playing better than some of there regulars, and to me that just shows it was politics and contracts as to why those guys stayed up and he was sent down. And also that they had always had it planned for him to be sent down, regardless of how he played, which isn't a fair shot for someone like Kadri.
Now I will answer your questions.
A ) I think there has been times for sure when he wasn't ready, and that's all fine and good. The thing I have the problem with (and which is what this whole argument started about) was that they didn't have to treat him poorly about it, Kadri came in and didn't have the best camp, you can just say he needs more development, you don't need to ridicule the kid like they keep doing. And also like I have said, there are times when he was better than some regulars and they send him down. But for me the issue is the way they treated him. No reason for it, if it isn't ready that's fine but no reason to ridicule him and then send him down when he is one of the better players on the team later on. As for the fitness and team concept, he has had one issue with his fitness and everyone is acting like he eats cheese burgers and sits on the couch 24/7, yes he wasn't in shape but he is playing great now lets move by it. And as for the team concept, I don't see it. He plays the team concept, just because he has magic hands so he tries to do things offensively and turns the puck over time to time doesn't mean he doesn't play the team concept. It just is what is going to come.
B ) Isn't successful? The guy have put PPG numbers in the AHL his entire career, has came up to the Leafs at times and played very well, I don't think his play is the issue anymore I just think he needs to be given a fair shot to see what he can do without having to worry about being rediculed and sent down right away if he turns the puck over or is -1 on the night.
C ) This ties into B, but you realize that if that is the case, everything you said about him being lazy and not being committed is entirely false, the guy like I said has put up PPG #'s, he is only 22 yet, There is no reason for us expect him to make the first line, his production in the AHL is actually good and he has shown the commitment to get there, he just needs a good lenghty fair chance and I think we will see he has more to give and with MG's willingness to give young players the shots I think we could get the most out of him.
Edited by Smashian Kassian, 10 December 2012 - 07:46 PM.