Justin Trudeau - Suffering from Foot in Mouth - Canadian Style

[Wetcoaster]

And another....

FLIP

FLOP

After deciding he needed to try for gain support in the West and rural Canada, Justin has again changed his mind.

Shortly after hitting his first bump in the road as the Liberal leadership frontrunner with two-year-old comments about Alberta, Justin Trudeau has called the long gun registry a “failure” despite having previously voted to keep it.

“The long gun registry, as it was, was a failure and I’m not going to resuscitate that,” the Montreal MP said during a question-and-answer session with workers at an Ontario aerospace plant Friday.

“But we will continue to look at ways of keeping our cities safe and making sure that we do address the concerns around domestic violence right across the country in rural as well as urban areas in which, unfortunately, guns do play a role. But there are better ways of keeping us safe than that registry.”

Trudeau voted to keep the long gun registry earlier this year [the bill to kill the registry passed 159 to 130, with all Liberals voting against it] but the son of the prime minister behind the hated “National Energy Policy” has been making concerted efforts to appeal to the West and rural Canadians since becoming a leadership candidate.

http://news.national...stry-a-failure/

It seems that Justin Trudeau has carefully studied the successful campaign run for President by one Willard Mitt Romney and decided to emulate him.

The Canadian strain of Mitt in Mouth disease perhaps?

Justin Trudeau is an intellectual lightweight without much experience nor much of a record or resume. And then when he utters such statements without much thought he simply presents an inviting political target that have been the downfall of much more experienced and qualified past Liberal leaders.

Perhaps Justin should heed the advice of Mark Twain (also attributed by some to Abraham Lincoln):

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

[TOMapleLaughs]

He was for it when he thought it was good policy, claiming it could be "helpful" and voted for its creation twice; but when his principles conflicted with getting elected, Stephen Harper was quick to unload them.

Stephen Harper as a Reform MP, contrary to his party's stance, voted for bill C-68, the act that established the long-gun registry. He voted for it claiming that the bill could be helpful in reducing gun violence.

On June 12 1995 in the House of Commons during the third reading of the bill C-68 that created the long-gun registry Stephen Harper stated, "From my own personal standpoint I believe there are elements of gun control and specifically of this bill that could be helpful."

And Harper was right, the long-gun registry was helpful. The RCMP report that there has been a decrease in long gun homicides since bill C-68 was passed and Quebec’s Institute of Public Health has credited the registry with preventing 300 long-gun deaths a year. In light of such results and the registry's low annual budget, the RCMP, the Canadian Police Association, and the Canadian Association of Police Chiefs all support the long-gun registry.

However, though the soon-to-be Prime Minister voted with his principles for the long-gun registry twice, at first and second reading, he would oppose it at the third reading, saying his flip-flop was due to the changing opinion of some of his constituents.

Stephen Harper while still admitting the bill had merit, explained he was changing his opinion and opposing it based on certain concerns, concerns that in today's context do not exist.

At the time he explained that there was still support for the registry’s general principles but that “there are some very severe concerns about specific matters, about some of the penalties for non-registration, the confiscatory elements of the legislation and the cost concerns."

Based on those concerns Stephen Harper gave to justify his flip-flop then, and seeing as today the long-gun registry has no penalties for non-registration, no threats of confiscation, and only costs $3.6 million a year, Canadians would expect Mr.Harper to support the long-gun registry, that is if he still had principles.

But as it happened in 1995, it happens today, Stephen Harper's principles lie on the floor like empty shell casings and Canada's public safety, including our police officers, are the ones in the crosshairs.

[Wetcoaster]

It would seem that flopping on gun registry isn't a Trudeau-only phenomenon.

If you go back far enough, you'll notice that Harper was also a Liberal.

But let's give Harper's mind-changing ways a pass, right?

You'll find that politicians flip and flop over their careers more than your average dolphin. We as voters have become immune.

[TOMapleLaughs]

Flop's a flop, pops

[Tearloch7]

You are all wet, Wet .. this is politics .. the Byrds used to do a song about it .. "Turn, Turn, Turn" as in spin-spin-spin .. all politicians, with rare exceptions are "wh*res" .. once you admit that, the rest is just semantics ..

[Wetcoaster]

Flop's a flop, pops

[TOMapleLaughs]

Shocking.

[Common sense]

You are all wet, Wet .. this is politics .. the Byrds used to do a song about it .. "Turn, Turn, Turn" as in spin-spin-spin .. all politicians, with rare exceptions are "wh*res" .. once you admit that, the rest is just semantics ..

[Harbinger]

Shocking.

[Wetcoaster]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this is the most disingenuous I have ever seen Wet

[ronthecivil]

Have you not heard of FIPPA? One of the many in a long list of Harper selling off our resources and sovereignty among many other misdeeds.

http://www.vancouver...law-expert-says

[aGENT]

Yep that's too far right.

But if the NDP got in we would no doubt see some sort of NEP V2.0 which would be even worse.

[Wetcoaster]

Trudeau's latest flip flop on the gun registry has provided ammunition for the Conservatives and NDP. And no doubt for his leadership race opponents.

Liberal leadership hopeful Justin Trudeau’s labelling of the long gun registry as a “failure” after voting to keep the much-maligned program has drawn scorn from both the Conservatives who abolished it and the NDP who want to bring it back.

“The long gun registry, as it was, was a failure and I’m not going to resuscitate that,” the Trudeau said during a question-and-answer session in the Conservative-held territory of Hawkesbury, Ontario Friday.

“But we will continue to look at ways of keeping our cities safe and making sure that we do address the concerns around domestic violence right across the country in rural as well as urban areas in which, unfortunately, guns do play a role. But there are better ways of keeping us safe than that registry.”

Conservatives accused Trudeau of pandering to a rural audience — which the Liberals have increasingly lost in successive elections — while voting against the long gun registry as a Montreal MP.

“If Justin Trudeau wanted to end the long gun registry he had years to work with the [Conservatives]. Says one thing in rural Canada, another in the House,” Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said on Twitter Saturday night.

Conservative backbencher Candice Bergen, whose private member’s bill to abolish the long gun registry nearly passed in 2010, mocked Trudeau for the perceived flip-flop.

In 2010, Trudeau told a group of gun registry protesters that the “registry saves lives.”

In both 2010 and 2012, the Liberals voted to keep the long gun registry, which was created by their party in 1995 partially in response to the 1989 École Polytechnique massacre.

The long gun registry remains popular in Quebec, where the government went to court in order to keep the data from the program.

While Trudeau’s “failure” comment would seem to run counter to his party and his Montreal base, the Liberals have since said that they have no intentions of bringing back the registry.

The NDP, which won 59 out of 75 seats in Quebec in the 2011 election, has vowed to restore the program.

NDP justice critic Françoise Boivin criticized Trudeau in a number of Twitter posts over the weekend.

“Playing politics is voting one way then [saying] another thing,” she said in one post.

“If he had listened to [witnesses] while we were studying C-19 he would not say “failure. He voted [for] it! Weird!” she said in another.

Trudeau, long perceived as the Liberal leadership frontrunner, has hit his second snag in less than two weeks. In late November, he apologized for two-year-old comments in which he said: “Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn’t work.”

Those comments came to light after a number of polls showed a Trudeau-led Liberal party could win a majority in the next election.

With Liberal MP’s Marc Garneau’s official entrance into the Liberal leadership race last week, the campaign to replace interim leader Bob Rae has begun in earnest.

Garneau, whose impressive resume, grey hair and rocky relationship with the voting public stands in stark contrast to his younger foe, has put the spotlight on Trudeau’s so-far limited policy proposals.

Trudeau has said marijuana should be decriminalized and suggested he’s open to taxing and regulating it. He argued for embracing Chinese investment in the oil sands, although he has rejected the Northern Gateway pipeline project.

Trudeau has also said Old Age Security should return to 65 from 67, after the Harper government moved to increase the age limit.

And on a few matters — cap-and-trade and decriminalizing prostitution — Trudeau has simply said: “I don’t know.”

The Liberal leadership vote will be held April 14.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/03/justin-trudeaus-labelling-of-the-long-gun-registry-as-a-failure-slammed-by-tories-ndp-alike/

[ronthecivil]

You're basing this assumption on....?

[ronthecivil]

The NDP, which won 59 out of 75 seats in Quebec in the 2011 election, has vowed to restore the program.

[aGENT]

Seriously? Mulclairs gotta fight our Dutch Disease!

Wait till the NDP get here provincially and we will all remember what fun it is to have them in power.

[TOMapleLaughs]

Gun registry, schmun registry... Garneau would have us all upgraded to lasers.

It would seem that Trudeau's path to Liberal leadership isn't really being blocked. 63-year-old Garneau has no moxy. So even if he was the better candidate, nobody would ever know.

However, a federal race with 'take me to your leader' spaceman Garneau puns would've been awesome.

[ronthecivil]

Gun registry, schmun registry... Garneau would have us all upgraded to lasers.

It would seem that Trudeau's path to Liberal leadership isn't really being blocked. 63-year-old Garneau has no moxy. So even if he was the better candidate, nobody would ever know.

However, a federal race with 'take me to your leader' spaceman Garneau puns would've been awesome.

[Wetcoaster]

Gun registry, schmun registry... Garneau would have us all upgraded to lasers.

It would seem that Trudeau's path to Liberal leadership isn't really being blocked. 63-year-old Garneau has no moxy. So even if he was the better candidate, nobody would ever know.

However, a federal race with 'take me to your leader' spaceman Garneau puns would've been awesome.

[DonLever]

This flip flopping reminds me the guy in the US presidential race. You know, the guy with the name that starts with a R, the one who no will remember in the next generation, other than being a footnote in history.

Anyway, Mr. R , flip flopped on so many issues he became a fish. You never could figure out where he stood on some issues. Just to get votes.

Well, Mr. Trudeau seems to be the same way. The gun registeration is only one thing. The oil sand project/pipeline in Alberta is another. In favor, yes, no, maybe. Depends on his audience.