TOMapleLaughs Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Meaningless at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 CBC's At Issue panel of Andrew Coyne, Chantal Hébert and Bruce Anderson moderated by Peter Mansbridge from Thursday's program presented a rare united front and took serious shots at Justin Trudeau and his anti-Alberta remarks. As Chantal Hébert said just substitute Quebec or Quebeckers for Alberta or Albertans in the remarks and think of outrage that would have provoked. As she notes "if you don't think it, you don't say it". This was not just a gaffe, it is a major error in judgement on Trudeau's part. Andrew Coyne says the remarks are very damaging reinforcing a pre-existing notion of how the central Canadian LPC elites see Alberta and worse Trudeau gave no indication that he did not believe what he said. It marks down his ability to unify a fractious country. Bruce Anderson says terrible comments in light of what he had been trying to do in trying to appear inclusive of the West and in particular Alberta recently. It also speaks to his lack of fitness for high office and his judgment - the sort of concerns that had been lurking just below the surface even in his own party. And as Andrew Coyne points out all the riding associations across Canada will have equal weight when voting for the next leader so it does not matter for those purposes if the Liberals have elected MPs, the riding counts the same as heavily subscribed Liberal riding in Ontario or Quebec and another candidate could exploit this. And all the panel agrees this will have great effect on the by-election and according to Chantal Hébert Trudeau may well wear this defeat. Here is the video of the panel discussion. http://www.cbc.ca/th...sue-112212.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Well, the by-election concerns Alberta. But since the poll was released the talk has been about Trudeau, leaving those involved in the actual by-election saying, 'Hey! What about us?!?' It's all part of the plan to make Albertan interests look more important by deflecting attention away from Albertan interests and onto somebody from out east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Well, the by-election concerns Alberta. But since the poll was released the talk has been about Trudeau, leaving those involved in the actual by-election saying, 'Hey! What about us?!?' It's all part of the plan to make Albertan interests look more important by deflecting attention away from Albertan interests and onto somebody from out east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Speaking of intolerance ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Polls are never really meaningless, as they indicate current voting trends, but if this one was as meaningless as you say... Why all the attention pointed towards 2010 Trudeau comments, a day after the poll's publication? If the poll was Alberta-only, then i guess you'd be correct in saying that it was meaningless. Federally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Who cares about a byelection in alberta. Worrying about a riding in alberta is like worrying about a by election in texas. It doesn't matter who wins there. It has no direct effect outside of the province. No one looks at alberta and says oh look they had a riding taken over by the liberals or lost to the conservatives. No one cares how they vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 This is completely meaningless as Trudeau has yet to even be selected as Liberal leader. At best he is a shiny new toy with name recognition because there is nothing in terms of his resume that would bear out that sort of a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 If you watched the video you would have earned that the discussion ranged beyond the by-election and focused on other issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Actually I did spend the time and watched it.. The french lady was extremely boring. As was attested to by the panel at the end. This old video has no value when it comes to the outlook of a nomination for Trudeau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 That was not necessarily the case as Andrew Coyne pointed out due to the Liberal leadership voting rules which is on a riding basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 The guy is going to win the leadership basically unopposed. The whole country sees him as the heir apparent. If they do have other nominees they will be basically token nominees to make it at least look like it wasn't just given to him when in actual fact that is what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 The guy is going to win the leadership basically unopposed. The whole country sees him as the heir apparent. If they do have other nominees they will be basically token nominees to make it at least look like it wasn't just given to him when in actual fact that is what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 According to the panel there are up to 9 contenders and they will include Martha Hall Findlay, Marc Garneau and Deborah Coyne (mother to Justiin's half-sister Sarah Elisabeth Coyne, Pierre's Trudeau's only daughter) all of whom have significantly superior resumes and real world experience to that of Justin. The last Liberal coronation was that of Michael Ignatieff and how did that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 As we all know, resume's mean little to nothing in politics. It's actually better to have a shorter resume than it is to have a longer one. A lot more issues when someone has a body of work to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Actually it makes complete sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 As we all know, resume's mean little to nothing in politics. It's actually better to have a shorter resume than it is to have a longer one. A lot more issues when someone has a body of work to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Actually it makes complete sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Exactly what I was thinking. The biggest problem with politics is all the politicians! Perhaps we'd be better off having less experienced people represent us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 WE need to pass a law that prohibits lawyers from running for any public office except dog catcher .. no offense, Wet .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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