ronthecivil Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 How that is relevant to this discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Strength in uninformed numbers? An illogical argument remains an illogical argument despite others signing on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 There is nothing illogical in the difference of having to run a campaign versus someone who has a little body of work or against someone who has a grand body of work. There is no track record you can run against. There is no voting record you can discount and attack. Character assassination is pretty much relegated to you don't know what he brings to the table. So yes the facts still bare out that it is easier to run a campaign against a proven commodity than it is against someone you know little about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Nothing factual about it. That is your opinion. If the person has no relevant experience to speak of then as an opponent that would be the weakness to be exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 There is nothing illogical in the difference of having to run a campaign versus someone who has a little body of work or against someone who has a grand body of work. There is no track record you can run against. There is no voting record you can discount and attack. Character assassination is pretty much relegated to you don't know what he brings to the table. So yes the facts still bare out that it is easier to run a campaign against a proven commodity than it is against someone you know little about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 Now you are just being disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 If it's that much better, why not get Joe the Plumber to run in 2016? Why not get a bum and get him for 2008 against McCain?Palin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 If it's that much better, why not get Joe the Plumber to run in 2016? Why not get a bum and get him for 2008 against McCain?Palin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Actually Joe plumber has a record and a dossier of things he has put out there. He also ran for congress three weeks ago. He won the republican primary and then lost the seat to the Democrat which was where the state went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 A guy who is not a plumber .. a guy who is not a war hero, but rather is a "Prisoner Of-War-Hero" and a vacuous beauty queen .. oh and Mittens .. that is laughable .. McCain looks more like a political doosh every day .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 "In June 2012, Wurzelbacher's election campaign released a video in which he claimed that the implementation of gun control resulted in Europe’s Jews being unable to defend themselves during the Holocaust, explaining that "In 1939, Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, six million Jews and seven million others unable to defend themselves were exterminated." In the same video, Wurzelbacher stated that the implementation of gun control by the Ottoman Empire in 1911 resulted in Armenians being unable to defend themselves against the Armenian Genocide.[83][84][85][86][87] The video drew sharp criticism from the National Jewish Democratic Council (NJDC) and Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern.[88][89] Wurzelbacher subsequently defended the video, stating that "Different countries around the world have tried to disarm their citizens, and then have tried to exterminate their own now-unarmed citizens. If people are looking to be offended by this video, they are probably serving a political agenda. Unfortunately there are a lot of whiners out there." Wurzelbacher's spokesman, Phil Christofanelli, also defended the video, stating that Wurzelbacher was a "student of history" who knows that the Founding Fathers "understood that the 2nd Amendment was always the people's last defense against tyrannical government."[84] In August 2012, Wurzelbacher drew criticism for a comment he made about illegal immigration. During a campaign rally for Arizona State Rep. Lori Klein, Wurzelbacher said, "For years I’ve said, you know, put a damn fence on the border, going to Mexico and start shooting.”[90] When asked about the comment later, he said that he didn't care about being "politically incorrect." Klein defended Wurzelbacher, telling reporters his comments were just a joke" What a guy .. definite leadership qualities .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I know the guy is stupid. Everyone does. He has a solid track record of ignorance as well as stupidity. The guy looked better to a lot of americans before he opened his mouth. And that my friend is the point that I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Nope, not in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 I'm sure when you were going in front of the judge. You always went in with the least amount of knowledge about your adversary as you could because that would obviously make your argument against him much more poignant. You probably made the smallest dossier you could against them because you know how having fewer amounts of ammo is definitely a smarter strategy than having more than your opponent. Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster. Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 That makes zero sense in the context of the discussion of Justin Trudeau's resume and fitness as Liberal leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 That was exactly the point. When running against an opponent in a campaign it's much better to have more info on them than less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Yes... and? In a political campaign if you have no track record, that will be the weakness that will be attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 I must have edited while you were responding and my answer to that is actual in the edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 The edit still makes no sense. If you are running for leadership and then putting yourself forward as Prime Minister, having no record and no experience would seem to be a serious handicap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 It looks like the Conservatives are holding on to the Calgary Centre riding as CBC News projects with Tory candidate Joan Crockatt ahead with 37 per cent of the vote to Liberal Harvey Locke's 32.6 per cent with 253 of 263 polls reporting. Harvey Locke for the Libs has now conceded, Did the comments from McGuintyy and Trudeau make a difference? The Conservatives held Durham with Erin O'Toole as the runaway winner, retaining the Tory seat in the riding northeast of Toronto with 50.7 per cent and all polls reporting. The seat was formerly held by onetime Conservative MP and cabinet minister Bev Oda before she resigned in July under a public uproar about her ministerial expenses. In Victoria it is a close battle between the Green Party's Donald Galloway and NDP candidate Murray Rankin in a race that has see-sawed throughout the night. Murray is a longtime friend who was a professor when I attended law school and he would make an excellent MP IMHO. He is well-versed in freedom of information, aboriginal and environmental issues and was a founding member of the BC Public Interest Advocacy Centre. http://live.cbc.ca/E...ght_byelections The latest - Victoria 205/256 polls reporting #ndp 37.0% , greens 34.3% , #cpc 14.7%, #Lib13.0%. Edit - The CBC decision desk has just called the Victoria race as a win for the NDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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