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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:08 AM

Is the Slovakian backup a sieve or something? I don't see how if I can see that Nagy is struggling and not following plays well that the coaching stuff on Slovakia can't see it. He's been brutal.


He earned the start with his great play against Russia.

Maybe a goaltending change is something they should consider now though, he looks rattled.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:09 AM

I know everyone loves this hard nosed hockey, and I do too. But they've got stop playing this style of game. This is international hockey.

They're going to take a bad penalty at a crucial point in a game if they keep playing like this. And I can guarantee Russia won't be so forgiving.

The team Canada that I love overwhelms the other team with their skill an skating. Not one that resorts to cheap shots and embellishment.

LIKE THAT! Just do it with skill.

Gonna need stronger refs. Don't get me wrong I'm worried as hell about our D/G situation but the adaptability shown to play to the hand they've been dealt could come in handy against the Russians and Americans. In the past a 5 minute major would end the big hits and Canada would go into a shell and other teams could dominate us with their skill. Canada is still throwing the hits and they're not crying to the refs when the calls go against them.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:10 AM

I've never seen a charging penalty get 5 and a game before. Boarding, elbowing, spearing, hit from behind yes but not charging.


The ref didn't call it. They called it after the injury which made it hard to take. The second major made it seem like the refs are just making it up as they go.

The first major you can say weak but aknowledge that it is international rules but the second one was just too much.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:10 AM

Bob Mckenzie just said it was a clean hit.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:10 AM

That wasn't charging on that bigger repaly, but he definitely had some shoulder to the head in the end. International says that's a penalty. With the injury it's a major. Justified I guess.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:12 AM

Now that we get a second look it doesn't look as fast as I originally thought.

So I will back off the charging a bit but I do stand by that he was in a vulnerable position and he should have held up, you just can't do stuff like that, Camara's only intent there was to hurt the guy.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:12 AM

agree w mckenzie, not charging. there's incidental contact to head.

in fact, the reply shows he putting on the brakes.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:12 AM

Canada won a lot of gold in a row. They as a nation and the players became entitled. You can see it in the younger guys. It's not a confident swagger, it's just arrogance. The cheap shotting and diving from Canada has picked up in a big way over the last couple of years.

Kind of similar to Kesler. He had an AMAZING year the year before last. But the very next season, he tried to hog even when the other team knew exactly what he was going to do. They'd just stand in front of him and block the shot. And then the diving started. Some people just don't handle their success well when it comes to attitude.

Oh for pete's sake.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:12 AM

Yeah great sell = great dive or great embelishment.

Sell is just another word (in hockey terms) for embelishment.

How is that being homerish?

Because as an analyst his job is to be objective. If you actually listen to him he is anything but that
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:13 AM

That wasn't charging on that bigger repaly, but he definitely had some shoulder to the head in the end. International says that's a penalty. With the injury it's a major. Justified I guess.

The shoulder to head was more follow-through IMO -- on the initial contact, Camara kept everything down but Luza was crouched down. But anyhoo, the point is moot. The call's been made...
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:13 AM

A little adversity is the best thing that can happen to a juniour team to help them gel.

So far the Canadians have responded well.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:14 AM

There you go ref cheerleaders wasnt a charge and wouldnt of been called in the nhl or junior league can maybe say hit to head but thats a stretch since every player should know at that age to keep your head up lipon will get 1-3 games I hope camara gets nothing because the major and misconduct is enough but since this is the iihf he will get a game making the next game a tough one and makes this game. a must win in regulation
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:14 AM

regardless how we see it, they have to play in a style that wont get them shorthanded all the time. they wont win gold without adjusting to the international rules/refs.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:14 AM

Gonna need stronger refs. Don't get me wrong I'm worried as hell about our D/G situation but the adaptability shown to play to the hand they've been dealt could come in handy against the Russians and Americans. In the past a 5 minute major would end the big hits and Canada would go into a shell and other teams could dominate us with their skill. Canada is still throwing the hits and they're not crying to the refs when the calls go against them.


They've obviously gotta throw hits, that's part of hockey.

If Candian players keep getting suspended, maybe it's time to stop blaming the refs, and start looking at the way this team is playing. Every player wants to make the big hit, but it doesn't do the team any good if it costs them a 5 minute penalty.

Again this is international hockey, not North American. The way they're calling it should not surprise anyone. Welcome to the World Juniors.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:14 AM

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:14 AM

Because as an analyst his job is to be objective. If you actually listen to him he is anything but that

I'll take him over Pierre McGuire any day. At least he'll shut up when Gord calls some crazy, amazing possibly-best-world-junior-play-ever instead of ruining it.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:14 AM

Now that we get a second look it doesn't look as fast as I originally thought.

So I will back off the charging a bit but I do stand by that he was in a vulnerable position and he should have held up, you just can't do stuff like that, Camara's only intent there was to hurt the guy.


He also clearly had the puck.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

Oh for pete's sake.


It's the truth though. Canadian hockey as a whole even a few years back was about hard work and humbleness. In the last couple of years it took a sudden turn to arrogance in interviews and a whole bunch of entitelement. Look at our olympic superstar right now in Crosby, and how he's acted and held himself, especially in the playoffs last year. It's not the same as it use to be.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

agree w mckenzie, not charging. there's incidental contact to head.

in fact, the reply shows he putting on the brakes.


The problem is that i don't think the refs put their arms up. And that there will always be contact to the head. Like i said, the first one was easier to swallow then the second one.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:16 AM

Now that we get a second look it doesn't look as fast as I originally thought.

So I will back off the charging a bit but I do stand by that he was in a vulnerable position and he should have held up, you just can't do stuff like that, Camara's only intent there was to hurt the guy.

Or maybe he should have his head up but seems like these kids today forget about that its there to prevent injuries there is no need to be watching the puck
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:16 AM

It's the truth though. Canadian hockey as a whole even a few years back was about hard work and humbleness. In the last couple of years it took a sudden turn to arrogance in interviews and a whole bunch of entitelement. Look at our olympic superstar right now in Crosby, and how he's acted and held himself, especially in the playoffs last year. It's not the same as it use to be.


Oh really?
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:17 AM

Because as an analyst his job is to be objective. If you actually listen to him he is anything but that


I disagree, I've heard alot worse.

(Watching the Boston/Vancouver Jan 10th game on the Nesn feed makes this seem like nothing)

Obviously he informs more on the Canadians side and gives a Canadian point of view (He has to it's a TSN broadcast) but he doesn't balantly ignore when we dive, play bad or do cheap things, and he doesn't paint the Slovak's in a bad light, so I have no issue with it.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:17 AM

The shoulder to head was more follow-through IMO -- on the initial contact, Camara kept everything down but Luza was crouched down. But anyhoo, the point is moot. The call's been made...


I agree that it was after the fact, but international rules have always been super stingy with regards to anything making contact to the head. The injury was just the icing on the cake. Camara was just unfortunate the end result looked gruesome.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:17 AM

I'll take him over Pierre McGuire any day. At least he'll shut up when Gord calls some crazy, amazing possibly-best-world-junior-play-ever instead of ruining it.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:18 AM

Feel bad for that Slovak that got knocked out. Other than that great game, so much happening.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:18 AM

Or maybe he should have his head up but seems like these kids today forget about that its there to prevent injuries there is no need to be watching the puck


Like to me it wasn't really about the Slovak player with his head down. Cause maybe he had to take a quick look down and such. The refs actually didn't make the call when the hit happened. It seem like they were waiting for how serious the injury was before making a decision.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:19 AM

Now that we get a second look it doesn't look as fast as I originally thought.

So I will back off the charging a bit but I do stand by that he was in a vulnerable position and he should have held up, you just can't do stuff like that, Camara's only intent there was to hurt the guy.


Still doesn't make it a penalty according to the rule book.

I'll take him over Pierre McGuire any day. At least he'll shut up when Gord calls some crazy, amazing possibly-best-world-junior-play-ever instead of ruining it.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:19 AM

Now that we get a second look it doesn't look as fast as I originally thought.

So I will back off the charging a bit but I do stand by that he was in a vulnerable position and he should have held up, you just can't do stuff like that, Camara's only intent there was to hurt the guy.


If he lets up and does not make the hit, he catches hell. If a player is looking backwards (suicide pass-esque) and has the puck, it is a bad hockey play not to make that hit. I also doubt he was looking to intentionally injure Luza. If he were to look to injure him, he would have left his feet, thrown an elbow, etc.

If you look at it as a hockey play, he should have made that check.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:19 AM

This is a freaking good game.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:19 AM

I agree that it was after the fact, but international rules have always been super stingy with regards to anything making contact to the head. The injury was just the icing on the cake. Camara was just unfortunate the end result looked gruesome.


I think the rule is on the initial contact but i could be wrong.
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5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

ive already lost faith in JB. Ive never EVER had this bad of a feeling about management.

 





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